From: "Malini Rao" <mrao at redhat.com> To: "engine-devel" <engine-devel at ovirt.org> Cc: "Eldan Hildesheim" <ehildesh at redhat.com> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:43:07 PM Subject: [Engine-devel] Options for embedding Cloud init features into VM =
--_000_EF26FC1776F7FF46BFC072393EFD13A2558049E0SERV070corpeldo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In an initial analysis, in my opinion I would discard the "Alternate Concep= t 3", because it goes against the heuristic number #6 of Nielsen (recogniti= on rather than recall), it soon becomes difficult for the user remember whe= re are the options. Also discard the "Alternate Concept 1", because it blends vertical and hori= zontal menus, it soon avoids a pattern (system of meaning) and confuses the= user. Thanks. Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: Eldan Hildesheim <ehildesh@redhat.com<mailto:ehildesh@redhat.com>> To: Shahar Havivi <shaharh@redhat.com<mailto:shaharh@redhat.com>> Cc: engine-devel <engine-devel@ovirt.org<mailto:engine-devel@ovirt.org>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Options for embedding Cloud init features into = VM dialog - Need Input Hi, Can we merge those 2 pages together? Eldan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shahar Havivi" <shaharh at redhat.com> To: "Malini Rao" <mrao at redhat.com> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel at ovirt.org>, "Eldan Hildesheim" <ehildes= h at redhat.com>, "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel at redhat.com>, "Michal Skrivane= k" <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:33:28 PM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Options for embedding Cloud init features into = VM dialog - Need Input Hi, We have a feature page for the VM Init (including Cloud-Init and Windows Sysprep): http://www.ovirt.org/Features/vm-init-persistent dialog - Need Input
Hello all,
There is a current feature to embed cloud init configuration which was ori=
ginally part of the Run dialog to be part of the create/ Edit VM dialog. Th= is presents a challenge in terms of good display of the hierarchies of inf= ormation since the VM dialog is already having subtabs stacked vertically. = Please find here (http://www.ovirt.org/UX/cloud_init) alternate concepts of= how we might represent all the levels of hierarchy from the VM dialog sub = tabs to the cloud init categories and the content ( which is also nested so= metimes) for each.
I have provided brief explanations of each concept and I would like your f=
eedback on these ... esp with regard to feasibility. The general goals that= govern the various concepts are -
- Correct representation of the hierarchy - Not overloading the users with too much info and cluttering the screen - Not utilizing the same UI paradigm ( like expand/ collapse) for differen=
t types of info. For example, we have categories of info where the fields a= re distinct from each other and then we have times where the user is able t= o add multiple instances of the same object type - e.g NICs and have the sa= me set of fields be defined for each instance.
Your feedback is appreciated.
Thanks Malini
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<mrao at redhat.com><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>To: "engine-devel"= ; <engine-devel at ovirt.org><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>Cc: "Eldan Hildesheim&= quot; <ehildesh at redhat.com><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>Sent: Monday, December 23, = 2013 11:43:07 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>Subject: [Engine-devel] Opt= ions for embedding Cloud init features into VM dialog - Need Input<o:p></o:= p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>Hello all, <o:p></o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>There is a current feature = to embed cloud init configuration which was originally part of the Run dial= og to be part of the create/ Edit VM dialog. This presents a challenge in t= erms of good display of the hierarchies of information since the VM dialog is already having subtabs stacked verti= cally. Please find here (<a href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/UX/cloud_init">htt= p://www.ovirt.org/UX/cloud_init</a>) alternate concepts of how we might rep= resent all the levels of hierarchy from the VM dialog sub tabs to the cloud init categories and the content (= which is also nested sometimes) for each.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>I have provided brief expla= nations of each concept and I would like your feedback on these ... esp wit= h regard to feasibility. The general goals that govern the various concepts= are - <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>- Correct representation of= the hierarchy<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>- Not overloading the users= with too much info and cluttering the screen<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>- Not utilizing the same UI= paradigm ( like expand/ collapse) for different types of info. For example= , we have categories of info where the fields are distinct from each other = and then we have times where the user is able to add multiple instances of the same object type - e.g NICs and have= the same set of fields be defined for each instance. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">>Your feedback is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">>Malini<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_EF26FC1776F7FF46BFC072393EFD13A2558049E0SERV070corpeldo_--