Re: [Engine-devel] Engine local configuration

From: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "Juan Hernandez" <jhernand(a)redhat.com&gt;, engine-devel(a)ovirt.org, "Livnat Peer" <lpeer(a)redhat.com&gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 9:43:50 AM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Engine local configuration ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "Livnat Peer" <lpeer(a)redhat.com&gt; > Cc: "Juan Hernandez" <jhernand(a)redhat.com&gt;, engine-devel(a)ovirt.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 9:30:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Engine local configuration > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Livnat Peer" <lpeer(a)redhat.com&gt; > > To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck(a)redhat.com&gt; > > Cc: "Juan Hernandez" <jhernand(a)redhat.com&gt;, > > engine-devel(a)ovirt.org > > Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 9:05:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Engine local configuration > > > > On 12/31/2012 05:05 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Juan Hernandez" <jhernand(a)redhat.com&gt; > > >> To: "Roy Golan" <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; > > >> Cc: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org > > >> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:25:57 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Error on starting webadmin > > >> > > >> On 12/13/2012 03:55 PM, Roy Golan wrote: > > >>> On 12/13/2012 04:49 PM, Vojtech Szocs wrote: > > >>>>> this is making the contribution process more complex. lets > > >>>>> think > > >>>>> of a > > >>>>> lighter way to get a developing setup. > > >>>> I agree, I just wanted to have the local Engine > > >>>> configuration > > >>>> steps documented for reference.. If there's a better way to > > >>>> do > > >>>> it, I'm for it. > > >>>> > > >>>> Vojtech > > >>> > > >>> having LocalConfig look for "engine.conf.defaults" system > > >>> property > > >>> before fallback to System.getenv("ENGINE_DEFAULTS"); > > >>> + concatenating > > >>> -Dengine.conf.defaults=$HOME/.engine.conf.defaults > > >>> to JAVA_OPTS on standalone.conf > > >> > > >> How is the system property simpler than the environment > > >> variable? > > >> > > >> I agree that this makes the development process a bit more > > >> complex > > >> at > > >> the moment, but I think that the way to make it simpler is not > > >> to > > >> continue adding things to standalone.conf. I think that we > > >> should > > >> move > > >> towards a development environment that is closer to the > > >> production > > >> environment, not the other way around. Ideally the developer > > >> should > > >> be > > >> able to do something like "make install" to have the engine > > >> deployed > > >> to > > >> a directory structure similar to what he have in the > > >> production > > >> environment. Then you should be able to go to the bin > > >> directory > > >> inside > > >> that structure and start the engine (and the other tools) > > >> using > > >> the > > >> same > > >> script that we use in production environments. If we achieve > > >> this > > >> goal > > >> then we have a simple development environment setup and also > > >> we > > >> have > > >> all > > >> developers testing almost the same thing that will go into the > > >> production environments. At the moment we don't have that, > > >> most > > >> times > > >> you are testing something quite different (in terms of > > >> directory > > >> structure, configuration, etc) to what will be installed in > > >> production > > >> environments. I am working in that direction. > > >> > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > Sorry to resume this discussion, but I find the current > > > situation > > > unfriendly to most developers. I understand there's a need for > > > specific configurations, but it seems to me that this has taken > > > one step too far for most developers. > > > > > > Further more, I expect to see such fundamental concepts being > > > initially discussed here, and not settle with a technical ack, > > > only to be a part of a thread called: "Error on starting > > > webadmin". > > > In this context I expect the verified flag to mean "This was > > > discussed and verified with contributers in the relevant list". > > > > > > > Hi Doron, > > Thanks for bringing this on the list, I agree with everything you > > wrote > > and could not put it any better myself. > > > > I configured an environment from scratch yesterday and the > > additional > > step to have this config file in /etc does not feel right, not to > > mentioned that this is not documented in the wiki installation > > page. > > > > I think one of the guidelines we kept so far for setting a > > development > > environment and making it as easy as possible for new developers > > is > > that > > no manual step is needed on top of using the setup profile and > > this > > definitely breaks this assumption (at least with the way it is > > handled > > today). > > I strongly reject to have default suitable for DEVELOPMENT mode. > This was indeed the situation in the past, and may (and have) cause > DEVELOPMENT setting to leak into PRODUCTION. > In development mode, the developer should explicitly state that he > want to use DEVELOPMENT settings either by configuration or by > environment, this way no DEVELOPMENT settings will effect intended > PRODUCTION settings. > Which can easily be handled when thinking of the difference between (git clone + mvn -Psetup,dep) VS (yum install). The first one can simply work. The latter in handled by the RPM. No need to impose additional burdens on developers which are already handled for production setups. Think of user management, PKI infra, etc. All handled in production, and not needed for the basic (git clone + mvn -Psetup,dep).