8:06 a.m.
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 03:38:25PM +0530, Shireesh Anjal wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As part of adding Gluster support in ovirt, we need to introduce
> some Storage Device management capabilities (on the host). Since
> these are quite generic and not specific to Gluster as such, we
> think it might be useful to add it as a core vdsm and oVirt
> feature.
> At a high level, this involves following:
>
> - A "Storage Devices" sub-tab on "Host" entity, displaying
> information about all the storage devices*
> - Listing of different types of storage devices of a host
> - Regular Disks and Partitions*
> - LVM*
> - Software RAID*
> - Various actions related to device configuration
> - Partition disks*
> - Format and mount disks / partitions*
> - Create, resize and delete LVM Volume Groups (VGs)
> - Create, resize, delete, format and mount LVM Logical Volumes
> (LVs)
> - Create, resize, delete, partition, format and mount Software
> RAID devices
> - Edit properties of the devices
> - UI can be modeled similar to the system-config-lvm tool
>
> The items marked with (*) in above list are urgently required for
> the Gluster feature, and will be developed first.
>
> Comments / inputs welcome.
This seems like a big undertaking, and I would like to understand the
complete use case of this. Is it intended to create the block storage
devices on top of which a Gluster volume will be created?
Yes, but not only.
It could also be used to create the file system on top of which you create a local storage
domain (just an example, there are many others, more listed below).
I must tell that we had a bad experience with exposing low level
commands over the Vdsm API: A Vdsm storage domain is a VG with some
metadata on top. We used to have two API calls for creating a storage
domain: one to create the VG and one to add the metadata and make it
an
SD. But it is pretty hard to handle all the error cases remotely. It
proved more useful to have one atomic command for the whole sequence.
I suspect that this would be the case here, too. I'm not sure if
using
Vdsm as an ssh-replacement for transporting lvm/md/fdisk commands is
the
best approach.
I agree, we should either provide added value or figure out a way where we don't need
to simply add a verb every time the underlying APIs added something.
It may be better to have a single verb for creating Gluster volume
out
of block storage devices. Something like: "take these disks,
partition
them, build a raid, cover with a vg, carve some PVs and make each of
them a Gluster volume".
Obviously, it is not simple to define a good language to describe a
general architecture of a Gluster voluem. But it would have to be
done
somewhere - if not in Vdsm then in Engine; and I suspect it would be
better done on the local host, not beyond a fragile network link.
Please note that currently, Vdsm makes a lot of effort not to touch
LVM
metadata of existing VGs on regular "HSM" hosts. All such operations
are
done on the engine-selected "SPM" host. When implementing this, we
must
bear in mind these safeguards and think whether we want to break
them.
I'm not sure I see how this is relevant, we allow creating a VG on any host today and
that isn't going to change...
In general, we know that we already need to support using a LUN even if it has partitions
on it (with force or something).
We know that we have requirements for more control over the VG that we create e.g. support
striping, control over max LV size (limited by pv extent size today) etc.
We also know that users would like a way not only to use a local dir for a storage domain
but also create the directory + fs?
We know that in the gLuster use case we would like the ability to setup samba over the
gluster volume as well as iSCSI probably.
So although I believe that when we create a gluster volume or an ovirt storage domain then
indeed we shouldn't need a lot of low level commands, but it would appear to me that
not allowing for more control when needed is not going to work and that there are enough
use cases which do not involve a gluster volume nor a storage domain to warrant this to be
generic.
Regards,
Dan.
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