+1 for Alon's summary - first preference to remain as-is, second pyar.</di= v><div><br></div><div>In addition:</div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><blockquote style= =3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#0= 00;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:He= lvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"border-left: 2p= x solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-wei= ght: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvet= ica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Nicholas Kesick" <= cybertimber2000@hotmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"oVirt Mailing List" <user= s@ovirt.org>, "arch" <arch@ovirt.org>, "engine-devel" <engine-d= evel@ovirt.org>, "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl@redhat.com><br><b>Sent: </= b>Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:57:41 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Users] [Engine= -devel] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19 misses tar at minimal se= tup<br><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'= Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nir= mala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif;font-size:16px;" data-mce-style= =3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft = JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,= sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div>I did some testing with Fedora 18 (waiti= ng for the Fedora 19 dvd to finish downloading) and I think that the b= ehavior was the same way in Fedora 18. In Fedora 18 when installing from DV= D if you select =E2=80=9CMinimal Install=E2=80=9D, you do not get tar.= </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed.</div><div><br></div><b= lockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-le= ft:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none= ;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"= border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color:= #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font= -family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style=3D"font-f= amily:Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI= ','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif;= font-size:16px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'= Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nir= mala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div>However, = if you select =E2=80=9CMinimal install=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cstan= dard=E2=80=9D under the add-on list, you *do* get tar. And if memory serves= I learned the hard way in Fedora 18 that a lot of familiar commands&n= bsp;are missing in minimal install without the standard add-on items includ= ing =E2=80=9Cifconfig=E2=80=9D. Yea, you can=E2=80=99t even easily tel= l what your IP address is!... unless you are used to the ip command.</div><= /div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think they are trying to educate us= ... and for me it partially worked :-)</div><div>I have some machines on wh= ich I did not install ifconfig, and (partially)</div><div>learned to <= span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">use ip = (after refusing to do so for perhaps 10 or so years).</span></div><div><spa= n style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br></span= </div><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;p= adding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decora= tion:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-=
<div>Is there any other commands that are missing on the =E2=80=9Cmin= imal=E2=80=9D install that are needed?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><= br></div><div>Needed by vdsm? They are listed as dependencies for it.</div>= <div>Needed by me? Yes, but that's a personal preference.</div><div><br></d= iv><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;paddi= ng-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration= :none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-styl= e=3D"border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; c=
Would it be easier to mention in the install directions to use the standa= rd add-on if selecting the minimal package set for host deployment?</div></=
<div>This won't help in our case, as Alon explained in previous mails in t= his subject -</div><div>these RPMs are installed by the "bundle" (a set of =
------=_Part_11744648_1384534939.1375765669829 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 +1 for Alon's summary - first preference to remain as-is, second pyar.=20 In addition:=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Kesick" <cybertimber2000@hotmail.com>=20 To: "oVirt Mailing List" <users@ovirt.org>, "arch" <arch@ovirt.org>, "engin= e-devel" <engine-devel@ovirt.org>, "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl@redhat.com>=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:57:41 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Users] [Engine-devel] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora= -19 misses tar at minimal setup=20 I did some testing with Fedora 18 (waiting for the Fedora 19 dvd to finish = downloading) and I think that the behavior was the same way in Fedora 18. I= n Fedora 18 when installing from DVD if you select =E2=80=9CMinimal Install= =E2=80=9D, you do not get tar.=20 Indeed.=20 <blockquote> However, if you select =E2=80=9CMinimal install=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cstand= ard=E2=80=9D under the add-on list, you *do* get tar. And if memory serves = I learned the hard way in Fedora 18 that a lot of familiar commands are mis= sing in minimal install without the standard add-on items including =E2=80= =9Cifconfig=E2=80=9D. Yea, you can=E2=80=99t even easily tell what your IP = address is!... unless you are used to the ip command.=20 </blockquote> I think they are trying to educate us... and for me it partially worked :-)= =20 I have some machines on which I did not install ifconfig, and (partially)= =20 learned to use ip (after refusing to do so for perhaps 10 or so years).=20 <blockquote> Is there any other commands that are missing on the =E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80= =9D install that are needed?=20 </blockquote> Needed by vdsm? They are listed as dependencies for it.=20 Needed by me? Yes, but that's a personal preference.=20 <blockquote> Would it be easier to mention in the install directions to use the standard= add-on if selecting the minimal package set for host deployment?=20 </blockquote> The wiki page already tells to install tar, and I think that's enough.=20 <blockquote> Just thoughts. I also wonder if it would be possible to include tar as a de= pendency for the RPMs (like ovirt-engine or vdsm) so when installed using a= package manager, tar would be checked for.=20 </blockquote> This won't help in our case, as Alon explained in previous mails in this su= bject -=20 these RPMs are installed by the "bundle" (a set of scripts/data files) that= we are now=20 discussing how should be made to arrive and run.=20 Best regards,=20 --=20 Didi=20 ------=_Part_11744648_1384534939.1375765669829 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, se= rif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div= style=3D"border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5p= x; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: n= one; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style= =3D"font-family:Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft J= hengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,s= ans-serif;font-size:16px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe UI= ',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khme= r UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div= olor: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;= font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style=3D"f= ont-family:Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengH= ei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-s= erif;font-size:16px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe UI',Mei= ryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI'= ,'Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div><div= div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The wiki page already tells to i= nstall tar, and I think that's enough.</div><div><br></div><blockquote styl= e=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#= 000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:H= elvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"border-left: 2= px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-we= ight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helve= tica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,= 'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Goth= ic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif;font-size:16px= ;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHe= i UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga= ,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div><div>Just thoughts. I a= lso wonder if it would be possible to include tar as a dependency for the R= PMs (like ovirt-engine or vdsm) so when installed using a package mana= ger, tar would be checked for.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div= scripts/data files) that we are now</div><div>discussing how should be made= to arrive and run.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>--&nbs= p;</div><div>Didi</div><div><br></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_11744648_1384534939.1375765669829--