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Hi all,=20
+1 for Alon's summary - first preference to remain as-is, second pyar.=20
In addition:=20
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicholas Kesick" <cybertimber2000(a)hotmail.com>=20
To: "oVirt Mailing List" <users(a)ovirt.org>, "arch"
<arch(a)ovirt.org>, "engin=
e-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>, "Alon Bar-Lev"
<alonbl(a)redhat.com>=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:57:41 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Users] [Engine-devel] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora=
-19 misses tar at minimal setup=20
I did some testing with Fedora 18 (waiting for the Fedora 19 dvd to finish =
downloading) and I think that the behavior was the same way in Fedora 18. I=
n Fedora 18 when installing from DVD if you select =E2=80=9CMinimal Install=
=E2=80=9D, you do not get tar.=20
Indeed.=20
<blockquote>
However, if you select =E2=80=9CMinimal install=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cstand=
ard=E2=80=9D under the add-on list, you *do* get tar. And if memory serves =
I learned the hard way in Fedora 18 that a lot of familiar commands are mis=
sing in minimal install without the standard add-on items including =E2=80=
=9Cifconfig=E2=80=9D. Yea, you can=E2=80=99t even easily tell what your IP =
address is!... unless you are used to the ip command.=20
</blockquote>
I think they are trying to educate us... and for me it partially worked :-)=
=20
I have some machines on which I did not install ifconfig, and (partially)=
=20
learned to use ip (after refusing to do so for perhaps 10 or so years).=20
<blockquote>
Is there any other commands that are missing on the =E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=
=9D install that are needed?=20
</blockquote>
Needed by vdsm? They are listed as dependencies for it.=20
Needed by me? Yes, but that's a personal preference.=20
<blockquote>
Would it be easier to mention in the install directions to use the standard=
add-on if selecting the minimal package set for host deployment?=20
</blockquote>
The wiki page already tells to install tar, and I think that's enough.=20
<blockquote>
Just thoughts. I also wonder if it would be possible to include tar as a de=
pendency for the RPMs (like ovirt-engine or vdsm) so when installed using a=
package manager, tar would be checked for.=20
</blockquote>
This won't help in our case, as Alon explained in previous mails in this su=
bject -=20
these RPMs are installed by the "bundle" (a set of scripts/data files) that=
we are now=20
discussing how should be made to arrive and run.=20
Best regards,=20
--=20
Didi=20
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york,
times, se=
rif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi
all,</div><div><br></div><div=
+1 for Alon's summary - first preference to remain as-is, second
pyar.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>In
addition:</div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><blockquote style=
=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#0=
00;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:He=
lvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"border-left: 2p=
x solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-wei=
ght: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Nicholas
Kesick" <=
cybertimber2000(a)hotmail.com&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"oVirt Mailing
List" <user=
s(a)ovirt.org&gt;, "arch" &lt;arch(a)ovirt.org&gt;,
"engine-devel" <engine-d=
evel(a)ovirt.org&gt;, "Alon Bar-Lev"
&lt;alonbl(a)redhat.com&gt;<br><b>Sent: </=
b>Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:57:41 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Users]
[Engine=
-devel] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19 misses tar at minimal se=
tup<br><div><br></div><div
style=3D"font-family:Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'=
Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer
UI','Nir=
mala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif;font-size:16px;"
data-mce-style=
=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei
UI','Microsoft =
JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala
UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,=
sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div>I did some testing with Fedora 18
(waiti=
ng for the Fedora 19 dvd to finish downloading) and I think that the b=
ehavior was the same way in Fedora 18. In Fedora 18 when installing from DV=
D if you select =E2=80=9CMinimal Install=E2=80=9D, you do not get tar.=
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed.</div><div><br></div><b=
lockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-le=
ft:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none=
;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"=
border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color:=
#000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font=
-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div
style=3D"font-f=
amily:Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft
JhengHei UI=
','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao
UI',Ebrima,sans-serif;=
font-size:16px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe
UI',Meiryo,'=
Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer
UI','Nir=
mala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif; font-size:
16px;"><div>However, =
if you select =E2=80=9CMinimal install=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cstan=
dard=E2=80=9D under the add-on list, you *do* get tar. And if memory serves=
I learned the hard way in Fedora 18 that a lot of familiar commands&n=
bsp;are missing in minimal install without the standard add-on items includ=
ing =E2=80=9Cifconfig=E2=80=9D. Yea, you can=E2=80=99t even easily tel=
l what your IP address is!... unless you are used to the ip command.</div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think they are
trying to educate us=
... and for me it partially worked :-)</div><div>I have some machines on wh=
ich I did not install ifconfig, and (partially)</div><div>learned
to <=
span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size:
12pt;">use ip =
(after refusing to do so for perhaps 10 or so
years).</span></div><div><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size:
12pt;"><br></span=
</div><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid
#1010FF;margin-left:5px;p=
adding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decora=
tion:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-=
style=3D"border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5p=
x; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: n=
one; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style=
=3D"font-family:Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei
UI','Microsoft J=
hengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala
UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe
UI=
',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun
Gothic','Khme=
r UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif; font-size:
16px;"><div=
<div>Is there any other commands that are missing on
the =E2=80=9Cmin=
imal=E2=80=9D install that are
needed?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>Needed by vdsm? They are listed as dependencies for
it.</div>=
<div>Needed by me? Yes, but that's a personal
preference.</div><div><br></d=
iv><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;paddi=
ng-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration=
:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; c=
olor: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;=
font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div
style=3D"f=
ont-family:Calibri,'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft
JhengH=
ei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao
UI',Ebrima,sans-s=
erif;font-size:16px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe
UI',Mei=
ryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun
Gothic','Khmer UI'=
,'Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif; font-size:
16px;"><div><div=
Would it be easier to mention in the install directions to use the
standa=
rd add-on if selecting the minimal package set for host
deployment?</div></=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The wiki
page already tells to i=
nstall tar, and I think that's
enough.</div><div><br></div><blockquote styl=
e=3D"border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#=
000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:H=
elvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"border-left: 2=
px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-we=
ight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helve=
tica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div
style=3D"font-family:Calibri,=
'Segoe UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft JhengHei
UI','Malgun Goth=
ic','Khmer UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga,'Lao
UI',Ebrima,sans-serif;font-size:16px=
;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri,'Segoe
UI',Meiryo,'Microsoft YaHe=
i UI','Microsoft JhengHei UI','Malgun Gothic','Khmer
UI','Nirmala UI',Tunga=
,'Lao UI',Ebrima,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div><div>Just
thoughts. I a=
lso wonder if it would be possible to include tar as a dependency for the R=
PMs (like ovirt-engine or vdsm) so when installed using a package mana=
ger, tar would be checked
for.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div=
<div>This won't help in our case, as Alon explained in
previous mails in t=
his subject -</div><div>these RPMs are installed by
the "bundle" (a set of =
scripts/data files) that we are now</div><div>discussing how should be made=
to arrive and run.</div><div><br></div><div>Best
regards,</div><div>--&nbs=
p;</div><div>Didi</div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
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