9:39 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jaša" <djasa(a)redhat.com>
To: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 4:37:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code formatting
Doron Fediuck píše v St 02. 01. 2013 v 03:24 -0500:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Livnat Peer" <lpeer(a)redhat.com>
> > To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 5:58:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code formatting
> >
> > On 01/01/2013 05:39 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > >> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > >> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 5:05:09 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code formatting
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > >>> To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > >>> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 5:00:20 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code formatting
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:53:49 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code formatting
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: "Doron Fediuck"
<dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>> To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>> Cc: "engine-devel"
<engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:48:22 PM
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code formatting
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>> From: "Alon Bar-Lev"
<alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>>> To: "Doron Fediuck"
<dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>>> Cc: "engine-devel"
<engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:33:20 PM
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code formatting
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: "Doron Fediuck"
<dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: "Alon Bar-Lev"
<alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>> Cc: "engine-devel"
<engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:28:15 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code formatting
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>> From: "Alon Bar-Lev"
<alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>>> To: "Doron Fediuck"
<dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>>> Cc: "engine-devel"
<engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:17:18 PM
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Java code
formatting
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>>> From: "Doron Fediuck"
<dfediuck(a)redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> To: "engine-devel"
<engine-devel(a)ovirt.org>
> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:07:53 PM
> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Engine-devel] Java code
formatting
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>>> Recently I saw many patches with multiple
code
> > >>>>>>>>> re-formatting.
> > >>>>>>>>> When looking into it, we saw that many
people didn't
> > >>>>>>>>> use
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> project
> > >>>>>>>>> policy, and now we have many files with
bad formatting.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> So I just posted a big ugly fix for
this[1], and
> > >>>>>>>>> hopefully
> > >>>>>>>>> if
> > >>>>>>>>> accepted
> > >>>>>>>>> people should start using the right
conventions and
> > >>>>>>>>> reduce
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> amount
> > >>>>>>>>> of non-relevant changes we see in the
patches.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I'm aware of the fact that this may
create some issues
> > >>>>>>>>> when
> > >>>>>>>>> porting
> > >>>>>>>>> patches, but better sooner than later.
> > >>>>>>>>> Doron.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> [1] http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/10541/1
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> These automatic conversions are not better
than current
> > >>>>>>>> state,
> > >>>>>>>> also
> > >>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>> don't think that this is that important.
If you want
> > >>>>>>>> machine
> > >>>>>>>> written
> > >>>>>>>> code, then also provide commit hook to
reformat
> > >>>>>>>> anything,
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> probably machines to read it.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I, personally, think that this change over the
sources I
> > >>>>>>>> manage
> > >>>>>>>> did
> > >>>>>>>> not do any good.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>> Alon
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Alon,
> > >>>>>>> there's a formatting convention for the
project set long
> > >>>>>>> ago.
> > >>>>>>> If you feel it needs to be fixed, go ahead and
suggest a
> > >>>>>>> fix
> > >>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> the xml.
> > >>>>>>> Otherwise we end up in the current chaos, where
every 2nd
> > >>>>>>> or
> > >>>>>>> 3rd
> > >>>>>>> patch carries unneeded changes.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> What do you mean unneeded changes? how do you prevent
this
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>> future?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Alon
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Unneeded changes is when you get one line of code fixed
due
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>> bug,
> > >>>>> and many others re-indented.
> > >>>>> Best prevention is if people would make sure to use the
> > >>>>> same
> > >>>>> conventions.
> > >>>>> We also have a checkstyle which monitors important issues
> > >>>>> such
> > >>>>> as
> > >>>>> trailing
> > >>>>> white spaces, localization, etc.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But how do you prevent this in future, not all working in
> > >>>> same
> > >>>> editor
> > >>>> nor same styles.
> > >>>> You can say that once in a while you perform cross over auto
> > >>>> re-format...
> > >>>> I am not native Java programmer but this sounds very strange
> > >>>> thing
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> do, I don't think I know of any project that does that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The main problem is that people commit stuff they don't
> > >>>> touch
> > >>>> due
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> their editor behavior, which tread the whole source as if it
> > >>>> was
> > >>>> at
> > >>>> its disposal, while cation should be taken not to modify
> > >>>> extra
> > >>>> stuff.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So maybe just to reject patches that touches lines which are
> > >>>> not
> > >>>> belong to the patch it-self.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Alon
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm fine with rejecting patches with irrelevant changes.
> > >>> Still sometimes you get new files and this repeats itself.
> > >>> The whole point of a convention is that people keep it.
> > >>> Most major IDEs today can use the same formatting XML we now
> > >>> have.
> > >>> So it's really a matter of self-discipline.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> OK, I suggest we start rejecting patches with irrelevant
> > >> changes,
> > >> and
> > >> placing these irrelevant changes in their own patch to be
> > >> relevant.
> > >>
> > >> I don't think that we can enforce XML formatting for all
> > >> editors
> > >> out
> > >> there... unless there is a cli utility to reformat before
> > >> commit,
> > >> or
> > >> even do this at gerrit side, we should be somewhat flexible.
> > >>
> > >> But these are only my two cents.
> > >>
> > >> Alon
> > >
> > > Thanks to Ofri we can now both automate it and monitor it using
> > >
http://maven-java-formatter-plugin.googlecode.com/svn/site/0.3.1/examples....
> > >
> > > We should be able to add it to the root pom and make sure it
> > > won't
> > > happen again.
> >
> > From a quick look this plugin looks like formatted and not
> > format-validator, if this is the case it is less useful as we
> > can't
> > add
> > a jenkins job to monitor the expected formatting.
> >
> > I think that we should clean the formatting (once again...) in
> > our
> > code
> > base only after we'll have a valid way to enforce it, otherwise
> > we
> > are
> > going to have the same thread every few months (we already had it
> > twice
> > or more) and we all hate this massive formatting patches that
> > comes
> > after the thread...
> >
> > Livnat
> >
>
> Livnat,
> it's easy enough to have a Jenkins job running this plugin.
Isn't Jenkins too late in the game for checks of incoming code? IIRC
there do exist pre-commit hooks for gerrit that run pylint/pyflakes
on
python files, that should IMO be the very place to check Java coding
style, too.
if the jenkins jobs will run per gerrit patch and not per commit, (it's possible to
run it via jenkins, like run other jobs per patch).
then it's not too late, and less messy than defining specific hooks for it.
Eyal.
David
> Then git status will tell you if something changed, and if so
> you email the changes to patch owner (and nack the patch). We
> had similar jobs in WPF era and it's quite simple to handle.
> So I see no reason why not to start it now. The sooner we start,
> less noise and unneeded code changes will be added.
>
> better
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