Re: [Engine-devel] Using REST API in web UI - review call summary

From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Vojtech Szocs" <vszocs(a)redhat.com&gt;, "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; Cc: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com&gt; Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:25:04 PM Subject: Re: Using REST API in web UI - review call summary On 11/21/2013 11:18 PM, Vojtech Szocs wrote: > Hi guys, > > this is a summary of yesterday's review call, I'll try to highlight > important Q/A and things we agreed on. Feel free to add anything in case > I've missed something. > > -- > > Q: Why don't we simply try to use existing Java SDK and adapt it for GWT > apps? (asked by Michael & Gilad) > > A: This might be a viable option to consider if we wanted to skip > JavaScript-based SDK altogether and target Java/GWT code directly; we > could simply take Java SDK and customize its abstractions where necessary, > i.e. using HTTP transport layer implementation that works with GWT. In any > case, this would mean coupling ourselves to Java SDK (which has its own > release cycle) and I think this would complicate things for us. > > As proposed on the meeting, I think it's best to aim for JavaScript SDK as > the lowest common denominator for *any* web application that wants to work > with REST API. oVirt GWT-based UI can simply bind to JavaScript SDK, i.e. > Java/GWT code that just overlays objects and functions provided by > JavaScript SDK. Another reason is ease of maintenance - I'd rather see > JavaScript SDK's code generation process to be independent of any other > SDK (people responsible for maintaining JavaScript SDK should have full > control over generated code). > > -- > > Q: What about functionality currently used by oVirt UI but not supported by > REST API? (asked by Einav) > [For example, fetching VM entity over GWT RPC also returns related data > such as Cluster name.] > > A: Based on discussion I've had with other colleagues after yesterday's > review call, I don't think that separate support-like backend layer is a > good idea. Instead, this is the kind of functionality that could be placed > in oVirt.js library. Logical operations like "get VMs and related data" > would be exposed through oVirt.js (callback-based) API and ultimately > realized as multiple physical requests to REST API via JavaScript Binding. > > oVirt.js client would be completely oblivious to the fact that multiple > physical requests are dispatched. In fact, since HTTP communication is > asynchronous in nature, oVirt.js client wouldn't even notice any > difference in terms of API consumption. This assumes JavaScript SDK would > use callback-based (non-blocking) API instead of blocking one - after all, > blocking API on top of non-blocking implementation sounds pretty much like > leaky abstraction [1]. > > For example: > > sdk.getVmsWithExtraData( > callbackToGetExtraDataForGivenVm, // might cause extra physical > requests to REST API > callbackFiredWhenAllDataIsReady // update client only when all > data is ready > ) would this also resolve RunMultipleActions?

sounds like no reason to have RunMultipleQueries, although i'm still sure a single call to engine for multiple keys would be much more efficient than multiple async calls? (I understand we may not be able to model this).

> > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_abstraction > > -- > > Last but not least, where to maintain JavaScript SDK projects: low-level > JavaScript Binding + high-level oVirt.js library. > > I agree that conceptually both above mentioned projects should go into > dedicated "ovirt-engine-sdk-js" git repository and have their own > build/release process. However, for now, we're just making baby steps so > let's keep things simple and prototype these projects as part of > "ovirt-engine" git repository. > > ... we can complicate things anytime, but we should know that any complex > system that works has inevitably evolved from simple system that works ... > (quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall%27s_law) I think the entities should just be generated from the xsd.

for the rsdl, makes sense to start with clean code to see what works best, then see about generating it (but you should adhere the rsdl as guidlines i guess).

lets try to plan for lightweight entities while at it - the API has a mechanism for different level of details - maybe we need a custom level where the client specifies which fields they want back or something like that.

Good luck, Itamar