CentOS Stream support
Hi all, we would like to ask about interest in community about oVirt moving to CentOS Stream. There were some requests before but it’s hard to see how many people would really like to see that. With CentOS releases lagging behind RHEL for months it’s interesting to consider moving to CentOS Stream as it is much more up to date and allows us to fix bugs faster, with less workarounds and overhead for maintaining old code. E.g. our current integration tests do not really pass on CentOS 8.1 and we can’t really do much about that other than wait for more up to date packages. It would also bring us closer to make oVirt run smoothly on RHEL as that is also much closer to Stream than it is to outdated CentOS. So..would you like us to support CentOS Stream? We don’t really have capacity to run 3 different platforms, would you still want oVirt to support CentOS Stream if it means “less support” for regular CentOS? There are some concerns about Stream being a bit less stable, do you share those concerns? Thank you for your comments, michal
Hi Michael, Thanks for raising that topic. I personally believe that the CentOS Stream will be something between Fedora and RHEL and thus it won't be as stable as I wish. Yet on the other side , if this speeds up bug fixing - I am OK for that. P.S.: I'm still on 4.3, but I was planing to switch to regular CentOS instead of Stream. Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov В петък, 5 юни 2020 г., 11:37:16 Гринуич+3, Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> написа: Hi all, we would like to ask about interest in community about oVirt moving to CentOS Stream. There were some requests before but it’s hard to see how many people would really like to see that. With CentOS releases lagging behind RHEL for months it’s interesting to consider moving to CentOS Stream as it is much more up to date and allows us to fix bugs faster, with less workarounds and overhead for maintaining old code. E.g. our current integration tests do not really pass on CentOS 8.1 and we can’t really do much about that other than wait for more up to date packages. It would also bring us closer to make oVirt run smoothly on RHEL as that is also much closer to Stream than it is to outdated CentOS. So..would you like us to support CentOS Stream? We don’t really have capacity to run 3 different platforms, would you still want oVirt to support CentOS Stream if it means “less support” for regular CentOS? There are some concerns about Stream being a bit less stable, do you share those concerns? Thank you for your comments, michal _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/3B5MJKO7BS2DMQ...
Hi all, there were not that many responses, thank you Strahil for sharing your thoughts, but it’s still quite useful for our CI so we are adding a Stream variant anyway:) Feel free to try it out, it has been added[1] to the ovirt-release-master rpm, you can now install that on top of a CentOS Stream host. Do not use in production Thanks, michal [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844389
On 5 Jun 2020, at 12:55, Strahil Nikolov <hunter86_bg@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Thanks for raising that topic. I personally believe that the CentOS Stream will be something between Fedora and RHEL and thus it won't be as stable as I wish. Yet on the other side , if this speeds up bug fixing - I am OK for that.
P.S.: I'm still on 4.3, but I was planing to switch to regular CentOS instead of Stream.
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov
В петък, 5 юни 2020 г., 11:37:16 Гринуич+3, Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> написа:
Hi all, we would like to ask about interest in community about oVirt moving to CentOS Stream. There were some requests before but it’s hard to see how many people would really like to see that.
With CentOS releases lagging behind RHEL for months it’s interesting to consider moving to CentOS Stream as it is much more up to date and allows us to fix bugs faster, with less workarounds and overhead for maintaining old code. E.g. our current integration tests do not really pass on CentOS 8.1 and we can’t really do much about that other than wait for more up to date packages. It would also bring us closer to make oVirt run smoothly on RHEL as that is also much closer to Stream than it is to outdated CentOS.
So..would you like us to support CentOS Stream? We don’t really have capacity to run 3 different platforms, would you still want oVirt to support CentOS Stream if it means “less support” for regular CentOS? There are some concerns about Stream being a bit less stable, do you share those concerns?
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Hi guys, Is supported and save to transition with > 4.4 to Centos Stream, now when "Stream" is the only way to the future? Any knows for certain? regards, L. On 05/06/2020 09:34, Michal Skrivanek wrote:
Hi all, we would like to ask about interest in community about oVirt moving to CentOS Stream. There were some requests before but it’s hard to see how many people would really like to see that.
With CentOS releases lagging behind RHEL for months it’s interesting to consider moving to CentOS Stream as it is much more up to date and allows us to fix bugs faster, with less workarounds and overhead for maintaining old code. E.g. our current integration tests do not really pass on CentOS 8.1 and we can’t really do much about that other than wait for more up to date packages. It would also bring us closer to make oVirt run smoothly on RHEL as that is also much closer to Stream than it is to outdated CentOS.
So..would you like us to support CentOS Stream? We don’t really have capacity to run 3 different platforms, would you still want oVirt to support CentOS Stream if it means “less support” for regular CentOS? There are some concerns about Stream being a bit less stable, do you share those concerns?
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В 16:09 +0000 на 05.01.2021 (вт), lejeczek via Users написа:
Hi guys,
Is supported and save to transition with > 4.4 to Centos Stream, now when "Stream" is the only way to the future? Any knows for certain?
Stream is not used by all Red Hat teams (yet) , thus it might be a little bit unstable. I would recommend you to wait till the begining of Q2 2021 before you evaluate it. Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov
Il giorno mar 5 gen 2021 alle ore 17:12 lejeczek via Users <users@ovirt.org> ha scritto:
Hi guys,
Is supported and save to transition with > 4.4 to Centos Stream, now when "Stream" is the only way to the future? Any knows for certain?
We moved oVirt Node and oVirt Appliance to CentOS Stream for the next (oVirt 4.4.5) release. Help testing current master and 4.4.5 release candidates will help ensure it's stable for production.
regards, L.
Hi all, we would like to ask about interest in community about oVirt moving to CentOS Stream. There were some requests before but it’s hard to see how many people would really like to see that.
With CentOS releases lagging behind RHEL for months it’s interesting to consider moving to CentOS Stream as it is much more up to date and allows us to fix bugs faster, with less workarounds and overhead for maintaining
On 05/06/2020 09:34, Michal Skrivanek wrote: old code. E.g. our current integration tests do not really pass on CentOS 8.1 and we can’t really do much about that other than wait for more up to date packages. It would also bring us closer to make oVirt run smoothly on RHEL as that is also much closer to Stream than it is to outdated CentOS.
So..would you like us to support CentOS Stream? We don’t really have capacity to run 3 different platforms, would you
still want oVirt to support CentOS Stream if it means “less support” for regular CentOS?
There are some concerns about Stream being a bit less stable, do you share those concerns?
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Il giorno ven 8 gen 2021 alle ore 12:06 Sandro Bonazzola < sbonazzo@redhat.com> ha scritto:
Il giorno mar 5 gen 2021 alle ore 17:12 lejeczek via Users < users@ovirt.org> ha scritto:
Hi guys,
Is supported and save to transition with > 4.4 to Centos Stream, now when "Stream" is the only way to the future? Any knows for certain?
We moved oVirt Node and oVirt Appliance to CentOS Stream for the next (oVirt 4.4.5) release. Help testing current master and 4.4.5 release candidates will help ensure it's stable for production.
Sadly, we had to revert to CentOS Linux 8.3 for 4.4.5, but re-targeting this for 4.4.6 and continuing testing and fixing bugs.
regards, L.
Hi all, we would like to ask about interest in community about oVirt moving to CentOS Stream. There were some requests before but it’s hard to see how many people would really like to see that.
With CentOS releases lagging behind RHEL for months it’s interesting to consider moving to CentOS Stream as it is much more up to date and allows us to fix bugs faster, with less workarounds and overhead for maintaining
On 05/06/2020 09:34, Michal Skrivanek wrote: old code. E.g. our current integration tests do not really pass on CentOS 8.1 and we can’t really do much about that other than wait for more up to date packages. It would also bring us closer to make oVirt run smoothly on RHEL as that is also much closer to Stream than it is to outdated CentOS.
So..would you like us to support CentOS Stream? We don’t really have capacity to run 3 different platforms, would you
still want oVirt to support CentOS Stream if it means “less support” for regular CentOS?
There are some concerns about Stream being a bit less stable, do you share those concerns?
Thank you for your comments, michal _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list -- devel@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/devel@ovirt.org/message/3B5MJKO7BS2DMQ...
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 11:36 Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi all, we would like to ask about interest in community about oVirt moving to CentOS Stream. There were some requests before but it’s hard to see how many people would really like to see that.
With CentOS releases lagging behind RHEL for months it’s interesting to consider moving to CentOS Stream as it is much more up to date and allows us to fix bugs faster, with less workarounds and overhead for maintaining old code. E.g. our current integration tests do not really pass on CentOS 8.1 and we can’t really do much about that other than wait for more up to date packages. It would also bring us closer to make oVirt run smoothly on RHEL as that is also much closer to Stream than it is to outdated CentOS.
So..would you like us to support CentOS Stream?
The answer is yes, though I do not see any other option, if I'm not mistaken. We don’t really have capacity to run 3 different platforms, would you still
want oVirt to support CentOS Stream if it means “less support” for regular CentOS? There are some concerns about Stream being a bit less stable, do you share those concerns?
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On 5. 1. 2021, at 22:14, Alex K <rightkicktech@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 11:36 Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com <mailto:michal.skrivanek@redhat.com>> wrote: Hi all, we would like to ask about interest in community about oVirt moving to CentOS Stream. There were some requests before but it’s hard to see how many people would really like to see that.
With CentOS releases lagging behind RHEL for months it’s interesting to consider moving to CentOS Stream as it is much more up to date and allows us to fix bugs faster, with less workarounds and overhead for maintaining old code. E.g. our current integration tests do not really pass on CentOS 8.1 and we can’t really do much about that other than wait for more up to date packages. It would also bring us closer to make oVirt run smoothly on RHEL as that is also much closer to Stream than it is to outdated CentOS.
So..would you like us to support CentOS Stream? The answer is yes, though I do not see any other option, if I'm not mistaken.
...this was sent under very different circumstances:) Now it seems to be an easier call... We will be probably moving to Stream a bit more. We did it already, but since there was very little interest it’s not entirely working across automation, CI, release processes. It does depend on all the dependencies we consume so don’t expect it to happen in a month, it’s probably going to take a while To that note, there is also a possibility of oVirt on RHEL which some tried(or even use). It was not very helpful yet because again the dependencies are not really part of the OS and they are not being published in a way that we can consume them. But if this ever changes, it would be a good option for stable underlying OS and up-to-date oVirt….
We don’t really have capacity to run 3 different platforms, would you still want oVirt to support CentOS Stream if it means “less support” for regular CentOS? There are some concerns about Stream being a bit less stable, do you share those concerns?
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I also have concerns about CentOS Stream and the future CentOS in general! What about support of oVirt on Oracle Linux? As Oracle themselves have changed gears and now offering it for FREE, and only charging if you want support. This is what IBM/RedHat should of done with CentOS.... but nope. I'd like to stick with oVirt either on Oracle or upgrade to RHEL under the new developer rules. RHEL allowing up to 16-hosts for free. But as you mentioned - there are issues with the oVirt dependencies on RHEL. Thoughts, anyone?
On 27. 1. 2021, at 18:10, ntoxicator@gmail.com wrote:
I also have concerns about CentOS Stream and the future CentOS in general!
What about support of oVirt on Oracle Linux? As Oracle themselves have changed gears and now offering it for FREE, and only charging if you want support. This is what IBM/RedHat should of done with CentOS.... but nope.
I'd like to stick with oVirt either on Oracle or upgrade to RHEL under the new developer rules. RHEL allowing up to 16-hosts for free.
But as you mentioned - there are issues with the oVirt dependencies on RHEL.
yes, dependencies are the main issue. I don’t think we particularly care that much about the base OS (as long as it is more or less a RHEL clone it doesn’t really matter) we won’t be able to sanity test everything, but RHEL sounds like a feasible idea. We do need to move from CentOS to Stream first anyway, though, just for the development sake. Thanks, michal
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Il giorno mer 27 gen 2021 alle ore 18:10 <ntoxicator@gmail.com> ha scritto:
I also have concerns about CentOS Stream and the future CentOS in general!
What about support of oVirt on Oracle Linux? As Oracle themselves have changed gears and now offering it for FREE, and only charging if you want support. This is what IBM/RedHat should of done with CentOS.... but nope.
I'd like to stick with oVirt either on Oracle or upgrade to RHEL under the new developer rules. RHEL allowing up to 16-hosts for free.
But as you mentioned - there are issues with the oVirt dependencies on RHEL.
If there are issues with oVirt dependencies on RHEL please open a bug. RHEL and any RHEL rebuild should be binary compatible with all the packages we rely on, so if something is not working I'd like to dig into it.
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Il giorno mer 27 gen 2021 alle ore 18:10 <ntoxicator@gmail.com <mailto:ntoxicator@gmail.com>> ha scritto: I also have concerns about CentOS Stream and the future CentOS in general!
What about support of oVirt on Oracle Linux? As Oracle themselves have changed gears and now offering it for FREE, and only charging if you want support. This is what IBM/RedHat should of done with CentOS.... but nope.
I'd like to stick with oVirt either on Oracle or upgrade to RHEL under the new developer rules. RHEL allowing up to 16-hosts for free.
But as you mentioned - there are issues with the oVirt dependencies on RHEL.
If there are issues with oVirt dependencies on RHEL please open a bug.
the issue with openvswitch should be resolved
RHEL and any RHEL rebuild should be binary compatible with all the packages we rely on, so if something is not working I'd like to dig into it.
the problem is AV, mostly. It is “ahead” in RHEL, and so even the latest AV builds are compiled on a CentOS that's ~1-2 months behind. Since it has dependencies on other packages outside of the AV module (e.g. kernel) it sometimes doesn’t work that great
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