Re: [Engine-devel] Options for embedding Cloud init features into VM dialog - Need Input - Devel

26 Dec 2013

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From: "Malini Rao" <mrao at redhat.com>
To: "engine-devel" <engine-devel at ovirt.org>
Cc: "Eldan Hildesheim" <ehildesh at redhat.com>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:43:07 PM
Subject: [Engine-devel] Options for embedding Cloud init features into VM =
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Hi,

In an initial analysis, in my opinion I would discard the "Alternate Concep=
t 3", because it goes against the heuristic number #6 of Nielsen (recogniti=
on rather than recall), it soon becomes difficult for the user remember whe=
re are the options.
Also discard the "Alternate Concept 1", because it blends vertical and hori=
zontal menus, it soon avoids a pattern (system of meaning) and confuses the=
 user.

Thanks.

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:49:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Eldan Hildesheim <ehildesh@redhat.com<mailto:ehildesh@redhat.com>>
To: Shahar Havivi <shaharh@redhat.com<mailto:shaharh@redhat.com>>
Cc: engine-devel <engine-devel@ovirt.org<mailto:engine-devel@ovirt.org>>
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Options for embedding Cloud init features into =
VM dialog - Need Input

Hi,
Can we merge those 2 pages together?
Eldan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shahar Havivi" <shaharh at redhat.com>
To: "Malini Rao" <mrao at redhat.com>
Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel at ovirt.org>, "Eldan Hildesheim" <ehildes=
h at redhat.com>, "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel at redhat.com>, "Michal Skrivane=
k" <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:33:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Options for embedding Cloud init features into =
VM dialog - Need Input

Hi,
We have a feature page for the VM Init (including Cloud-Init and Windows
Sysprep):

http://www.ovirt.org/Features/vm-init-persistent

dialog - Need Input
...
Hello all,
There is a current feature to embed cloud init configuration which was ori=
ginally part of the Run dialog to be part of the create/ Edit VM dialog. Th=
is presents a challenge in terms of  good display of the hierarchies of inf=
ormation since the VM dialog is already having subtabs stacked vertically. =
Please find here (http://www.ovirt.org/UX/cloud_init) alternate concepts of=
 how we might represent all the levels of hierarchy from the VM dialog sub =
tabs to the cloud init categories and the content ( which is also nested so=
metimes) for each.
...
I have provided brief explanations of each concept and I would like your f=
eedback on these ... esp with regard to feasibility. The general goals that=
 govern the various concepts are -
...
- Correct representation of the hierarchy
- Not overloading the users with too much info and cluttering the screen
- Not utilizing the same UI paradigm ( like expand/ collapse) for differen=
t types of info. For example, we have categories of info where the fields a=
re distinct from each other and then we have times where the user is able t=
o add multiple instances of the same object type - e.g NICs and have the sa=
me set of fields be defined for each instance.
...
Your feedback is appreciated.
Thanks
Malini
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:49:39=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">From: Eldan Hildesheim <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:ehildesh@redhat.com">ehildesh@redhat.com</a>><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">To: Shahar Havivi <<a href=
=3D"mailto:shaharh@redhat.com">shaharh@redhat.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Cc: engine-devel <<a href=3D=
"mailto:engine-devel@ovirt.org">engine-devel@ovirt.org</a>><o:p></o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Opt=
ions for embedding Cloud init features into VM dialog - Need Input<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Can we merge those 2 pages toge=
ther?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Eldan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">----- Original Message -----<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">From: "Shahar Havivi"=
 <shaharh at redhat.com><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">To: "Malini Rao" <=
mrao at redhat.com><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Cc: "engine-devel" &l=
t;engine-devel at ovirt.org>, "Eldan Hildesheim" <ehildesh =
at redhat.com>, "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel at redhat.com>,=
 "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 201=
3 2:33:28 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Opt=
ions for embedding Cloud init features into VM dialog - Need Input<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We have a feature page for the =
VM Init (including Cloud-Init and Windows<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sysprep):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org=
/Features/vm-init-persistent">http://www.ovirt.org/Features/vm-init-persist=
ent</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>From: "Malini Rao"=
; <mrao at redhat.com><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>To: "engine-devel"=
; <engine-devel at ovirt.org><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>Cc: "Eldan Hildesheim&=
quot; <ehildesh at redhat.com><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>Sent: Monday, December 23, =
2013 11:43:07 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>Subject: [Engine-devel] Opt=
ions for embedding Cloud init features into VM dialog - Need Input<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
...
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>Hello all, <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
...
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>There is a current feature =
to embed cloud init configuration which was originally part of the Run dial=
og to be part of the create/ Edit VM dialog. This presents a challenge in t=
erms of  good display of the hierarchies
 of information since the VM dialog is already having subtabs stacked verti=
cally. Please find here (<a href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/UX/cloud_init">htt=
p://www.ovirt.org/UX/cloud_init</a>) alternate concepts of how we might rep=
resent all the levels of hierarchy
 from the VM dialog sub tabs to the cloud init categories and the content (=
 which is also nested sometimes) for each.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
...
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>I have provided brief expla=
nations of each concept and I would like your feedback on these ... esp wit=
h regard to feasibility. The general goals that govern the various concepts=
 are -
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
...
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>- Correct representation of=
 the hierarchy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>- Not overloading the users=
 with too much info and cluttering the screen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">>- Not utilizing the same UI=
 paradigm ( like expand/ collapse) for different types of info. For example=
, we have categories of info where the fields are distinct from each other =
and then we have times where the user is
 able to add multiple instances of the same object type - e.g NICs and have=
 the same set of fields be defined for each instance.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">>Your feedback is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">>Malini<o:p></o:p></p>
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Re: [Engine-devel] Options for embedding Cloud init features into VM dialog - Need Input

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