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Hi,
I'm working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/785555 -- "domain selection list in
login screen should be sorted alphabetically"
I was going to put the sort logic in the web apps, but it makes sense to just put it in
the backend, specifically in GetDomainListQuery. (There is already a sort there, but it
needs to be tweaked to put "internal" always last.) This would affect non-webapp
clients (REST API), so I want to make sure there are no objections. Unit tests pass and it
seems to work fine (screen attached).
Any objections?
Thanks,
Greg
Greg Sheremeta
Red Hat, Inc.
Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
Cell: 919-807-1086
gshereme(a)redhat.com
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8:32 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>
To: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:26:48 PM
Subject: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
Hi,
I'm working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/785555 -- "domain selection list
in login screen should be sorted alphabetically"
I was going to put the sort logic in the web apps, but it makes sense to just
put it in the backend, specifically in GetDomainListQuery. (There is already
a sort there, but it needs to be tweaked to put "internal" always last.)
This would affect non-webapp clients (REST API), so I want to make sure
there are no objections. Unit tests pass and it seems to work fine (screen
attached).
Any objections?
I think that sorting of visualization is presentation layer role.
Thanks,
Greg
Greg Sheremeta
Red Hat, Inc.
Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
Cell: 919-807-1086
gshereme(a)redhat.com
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9:12 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:32:46 AM
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>
> To: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:26:48 PM
> Subject: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/785555 -- "domain selection
list
> in login screen should be sorted alphabetically"
>
> I was going to put the sort logic in the web apps, but it makes sense to
> just
> put it in the backend, specifically in GetDomainListQuery. (There is
> already
> a sort there, but it needs to be tweaked to put "internal" always last.)
> This would affect non-webapp clients (REST API), so I want to make sure
> there are no objections. Unit tests pass and it seems to work fine (screen
> attached).
>
> Any objections?
I think that sorting of visualization is presentation layer role.
true in general, but I think that there is no harm in returning items
from the backend in some default order, especially if this is a list
of simple items that have only one possible order that makes sense.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
>
> Greg Sheremeta
> Red Hat, Inc.
> Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
> Cell: 919-807-1086
> gshereme(a)redhat.com
> _______________________________________________
> Engine-devel mailing list
> Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel
>
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11:35 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>, engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:32:46 AM
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>
> > To: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:26:48 PM
> > Subject: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/785555 -- "domain
selection
> > list
> > in login screen should be sorted alphabetically"
> >
> > I was going to put the sort logic in the web apps, but it makes sense to
> > just
> > put it in the backend, specifically in GetDomainListQuery. (There is
> > already
> > a sort there, but it needs to be tweaked to put "internal" always
last.)
> > This would affect non-webapp clients (REST API), so I want to make sure
> > there are no objections. Unit tests pass and it seems to work fine
> > (screen
> > attached).
> >
> > Any objections?
>
> I think that sorting of visualization is presentation layer role.
true in general, but I think that there is no harm in returning items
from the backend in some default order, especially if this is a list
of simple items that have only one possible order that makes sense.
Even if that so, there is no reason to relay on it.
If sort is required at presentation, presentation layer should apply sort.
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > Greg Sheremeta
> > Red Hat, Inc.
> > Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
> > Cell: 919-807-1086
> > gshereme(a)redhat.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Engine-devel mailing list
> > Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
11:56 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:35:24 PM
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
> To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>, engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:32:46 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>
> > > To: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:26:48 PM
> > > Subject: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/785555 -- "domain
selection
> > > list
> > > in login screen should be sorted alphabetically"
> > >
> > > I was going to put the sort logic in the web apps, but it makes sense
> > > to
> > > just
> > > put it in the backend, specifically in GetDomainListQuery. (There is
> > > already
> > > a sort there, but it needs to be tweaked to put "internal"
always
> > > last.)
> > > This would affect non-webapp clients (REST API), so I want to make sure
> > > there are no objections. Unit tests pass and it seems to work fine
> > > (screen
> > > attached).
> > >
> > > Any objections?
> >
> > I think that sorting of visualization is presentation layer role.
>
> true in general, but I think that there is no harm in returning items
> from the backend in some default order, especially if this is a list
> of simple items that have only one possible order that makes sense.
Even if that so, there is no reason to relay on it.
if this method will return a sorted list *by definition*, there would be
no reason to NOT relay on it.
for this particular case, I think that it would be a bit of waste if the
exact same sorting logic will be duplicated across the different clients'
code (including 3rd-party clients). If we can make it a little bit easier
on the clients, I don't see why not to do it.
If sort is required at presentation, presentation layer should apply
sort.
define "presentation"; looking at the xml response of a rest-api GET request
in a browser is also "presentation", but I can't really apply sort there;
yes,
I can change the rest-api code to sort the results, but why not simply make it
a bit easier for *all* clients, and return the results from the backend already
sorted in the way which is probably the most comfortable for everyone?
[again - you are generally correct, but in this particular case, of simple
business entities which have pretty much only one way of sorting that makes
sense, I don't see why not make an exception and apply the sort on the backend]
>
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg Sheremeta
> > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
> > > Cell: 919-807-1086
> > > gshereme(a)redhat.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Engine-devel mailing list
> > > Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel
> >
> >
> >
>
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12:14 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
Cc: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:56:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:35:24 PM
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
> > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>,
engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:12:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:32:46 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>
> > > > To: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:26:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/785555 --
"domain
> > > > selection
> > > > list
> > > > in login screen should be sorted alphabetically"
> > > >
> > > > I was going to put the sort logic in the web apps, but it makes
sense
> > > > to
> > > > just
> > > > put it in the backend, specifically in GetDomainListQuery. (There is
> > > > already
> > > > a sort there, but it needs to be tweaked to put "internal"
always
> > > > last.)
> > > > This would affect non-webapp clients (REST API), so I want to make
> > > > sure
> > > > there are no objections. Unit tests pass and it seems to work fine
> > > > (screen
> > > > attached).
> > > >
> > > > Any objections?
> > >
> > > I think that sorting of visualization is presentation layer role.
> >
> > true in general, but I think that there is no harm in returning items
> > from the backend in some default order, especially if this is a list
> > of simple items that have only one possible order that makes sense.
>
> Even if that so, there is no reason to relay on it.
if this method will return a sorted list *by definition*, there would be
no reason to NOT relay on it.
for this particular case, I think that it would be a bit of waste if the
exact same sorting logic will be duplicated across the different clients'
code (including 3rd-party clients). If we can make it a little bit easier
on the clients, I don't see why not to do it.
> If sort is required at presentation, presentation layer should apply sort.
define "presentation"; looking at the xml response of a rest-api GET request
in a browser is also "presentation", but I can't really apply sort there;
yes,
I can change the rest-api code to sort the results, but why not simply make
it
a bit easier for *all* clients, and return the results from the backend
already
sorted in the way which is probably the most comfortable for everyone?
[again - you are generally correct, but in this particular case, of simple
business entities which have pretty much only one way of sorting that makes
sense, I don't see why not make an exception and apply the sort on the
backend]
Well, we can agree to disagree.
RestAPI is not presentation, the fact that browser has presentation layer to interact with
RestAPI does not mean that the server side is responsible on ordering etc. The RestAPI
presentation layer may allow sorting.
I do not think that API should have any sense of presentation ordering it only makes it
more complex without a reason.
Let's assume the API sort is based on plain text, and you have a bug to sort using
case insensitive, so API definition should be fixed? so you pass a parameter to request
specific casing?
Let's assume that each domain has value and description, you agree that sort should be
based on description, right? Now, let's say that description can be localized, which
sort can the server apply?
These are the reason why presentation layer was split out, ever since IBM Mainframe 3270
the layer is running on the client side.
Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greg Sheremeta
> > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
> > > > Cell: 919-807-1086
> > > > gshereme(a)redhat.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Engine-devel mailing list
> > > > Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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>
>
8:18 a.m.
Hi Alon,
GetDomainListQuery already sorts domains by name before returning domain list to client
(GetDomainListQuery:23), so what's the big deal with adding internal admin domain
(ConfigValues.AdminDomain) as the last entry anyway?
If I understand correctly, GetDomainListQuery already sorts domains not due to
presentation purposes, but to make resulting domain list more consistent for clients to
process (and humans to inspect).
Vojtech
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
To: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
Cc: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:14:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
> To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> Cc: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:56:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:35:24 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
> > > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>,
engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:12:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:32:46 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>
> > > > > To: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:26:48 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/785555 --
"domain
> > > > > selection
> > > > > list
> > > > > in login screen should be sorted alphabetically"
> > > > >
> > > > > I was going to put the sort logic in the web apps, but it makes
> > > > > sense
> > > > > to
> > > > > just
> > > > > put it in the backend, specifically in GetDomainListQuery.
(There
> > > > > is
> > > > > already
> > > > > a sort there, but it needs to be tweaked to put
"internal" always
> > > > > last.)
> > > > > This would affect non-webapp clients (REST API), so I want to
make
> > > > > sure
> > > > > there are no objections. Unit tests pass and it seems to work
fine
> > > > > (screen
> > > > > attached).
> > > > >
> > > > > Any objections?
> > > >
> > > > I think that sorting of visualization is presentation layer role.
> > >
> > > true in general, but I think that there is no harm in returning items
> > > from the backend in some default order, especially if this is a list
> > > of simple items that have only one possible order that makes sense.
> >
> > Even if that so, there is no reason to relay on it.
>
> if this method will return a sorted list *by definition*, there would be
> no reason to NOT relay on it.
> for this particular case, I think that it would be a bit of waste if the
> exact same sorting logic will be duplicated across the different clients'
> code (including 3rd-party clients). If we can make it a little bit easier
> on the clients, I don't see why not to do it.
>
> > If sort is required at presentation, presentation layer should apply
> > sort.
>
> define "presentation"; looking at the xml response of a rest-api GET
> request
> in a browser is also "presentation", but I can't really apply sort
there;
> yes,
> I can change the rest-api code to sort the results, but why not simply make
> it
> a bit easier for *all* clients, and return the results from the backend
> already
> sorted in the way which is probably the most comfortable for everyone?
>
> [again - you are generally correct, but in this particular case, of simple
> business entities which have pretty much only one way of sorting that makes
> sense, I don't see why not make an exception and apply the sort on the
> backend]
Well, we can agree to disagree.
RestAPI is not presentation, the fact that browser has presentation layer to
interact with RestAPI does not mean that the server side is responsible on
ordering etc. The RestAPI presentation layer may allow sorting.
I do not think that API should have any sense of presentation ordering it
only makes it more complex without a reason.
Let's assume the API sort is based on plain text, and you have a bug to sort
using case insensitive, so API definition should be fixed? so you pass a
parameter to request specific casing?
Let's assume that each domain has value and description, you agree that sort
should be based on description, right? Now, let's say that description can
be localized, which sort can the server apply?
These are the reason why presentation layer was split out, ever since IBM
Mainframe 3270 the layer is running on the client side.
Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg Sheremeta
> > > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > > Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
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8:29 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vojtech Szocs" <vszocs(a)redhat.com>
To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
Cc: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>, engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 4:18:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
Hi Alon,
GetDomainListQuery already sorts domains by name before returning domain list
to client (GetDomainListQuery:23), so what's the big deal with adding
internal admin domain (ConfigValues.AdminDomain) as the last entry anyway?
No big deal... :)
We were asked for opinions...
So you have mine...
I have strict rules for cases such of this, and I do not really interested what is
currently implemented as it may be completely wrong (in my view).
Presentation layer should perform presentation adjustments.
In fat client application (ours) it is very easy to know where presentation layer is.
In server pages application it is also very easy for most people to understand that the
jsp is presentation layer...
You can safely ignore.
Regards,
Alon
If I understand correctly, GetDomainListQuery already sorts domains not due
to presentation purposes, but to make resulting domain list more consistent
for clients to process (and humans to inspect).
Vojtech
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> To: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
> Cc: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:14:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
> > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > Cc: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:56:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:35:24 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen(a)redhat.com>
> > > > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > > > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme(a)redhat.com>,
engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:12:37 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on backend?
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:32:46 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta"
<gshereme(a)redhat.com>
> > > > > > To: engine-devel(a)ovirt.org
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:26:48 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Engine-devel] ok to sort login domains on
backend?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm working on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/785555 --
"domain
> > > > > > selection
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > in login screen should be sorted alphabetically"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was going to put the sort logic in the web apps, but it
makes
> > > > > > sense
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > put it in the backend, specifically in GetDomainListQuery.
(There
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > already
> > > > > > a sort there, but it needs to be tweaked to put
"internal" always
> > > > > > last.)
> > > > > > This would affect non-webapp clients (REST API), so I want
to
> > > > > > make
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > there are no objections. Unit tests pass and it seems to
work
> > > > > > fine
> > > > > > (screen
> > > > > > attached).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any objections?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that sorting of visualization is presentation layer
role.
> > > >
> > > > true in general, but I think that there is no harm in returning
items
> > > > from the backend in some default order, especially if this is a list
> > > > of simple items that have only one possible order that makes sense.
> > >
> > > Even if that so, there is no reason to relay on it.
> >
> > if this method will return a sorted list *by definition*, there would be
> > no reason to NOT relay on it.
> > for this particular case, I think that it would be a bit of waste if the
> > exact same sorting logic will be duplicated across the different clients'
> > code (including 3rd-party clients). If we can make it a little bit easier
> > on the clients, I don't see why not to do it.
> >
> > > If sort is required at presentation, presentation layer should apply
> > > sort.
> >
> > define "presentation"; looking at the xml response of a rest-api GET
> > request
> > in a browser is also "presentation", but I can't really apply
sort there;
> > yes,
> > I can change the rest-api code to sort the results, but why not simply
> > make
> > it
> > a bit easier for *all* clients, and return the results from the backend
> > already
> > sorted in the way which is probably the most comfortable for everyone?
> >
> > [again - you are generally correct, but in this particular case, of
> > simple
> > business entities which have pretty much only one way of sorting that
> > makes
> > sense, I don't see why not make an exception and apply the sort on the
> > backend]
>
> Well, we can agree to disagree.
>
> RestAPI is not presentation, the fact that browser has presentation layer
> to
> interact with RestAPI does not mean that the server side is responsible on
> ordering etc. The RestAPI presentation layer may allow sorting.
>
> I do not think that API should have any sense of presentation ordering it
> only makes it more complex without a reason.
>
> Let's assume the API sort is based on plain text, and you have a bug to
> sort
> using case insensitive, so API definition should be fixed? so you pass a
> parameter to request specific casing?
>
> Let's assume that each domain has value and description, you agree that
> sort
> should be based on description, right? Now, let's say that description can
> be localized, which sort can the server apply?
>
> These are the reason why presentation layer was split out, ever since IBM
> Mainframe 3270 the layer is running on the client side.
>
> Regards,
> Alon Bar-Lev
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg Sheremeta
> > > > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > > > Sr. Software Engineer, RHEV
> > > > > > Cell: 919-807-1086
> > > > > > gshereme(a)redhat.com
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > >
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