From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhornyak(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:52:39 PM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] jpa annotations On 12/18/2012 03:55 PM, Laszlo Hornyak wrote: > Hi, > > We have JPA annotations on the backend entity beans, but they have > never been actually used as far as I know and now that I looked > into VmTemplate for example we do not even have a vm_template > table anymore, while VmTemplate still refers to it. > Any plans with the JPA? > I'm assuming they are from the work on moving to hibernate started a long time ago, and question is are we going to finish it anytime soon.

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From: "Mike Kolesnik" <mkolesni(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:16:01 PM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] jpa annotations ----- Original Message ----- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim(a)redhat.com&gt; > > To: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhornyak(a)redhat.com&gt; > > Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] jpa annotations > > > > On 12/18/2012 03:55 PM, Laszlo Hornyak wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > We have JPA annotations on the backend entity beans, but they > > > have > > > never been actually used as far as I know and now that I looked > > > into VmTemplate for example we do not even have a vm_template > > > table anymore, while VmTemplate still refers to it. > > > Any plans with the JPA? > > > > > > > I'm assuming they are from the work on moving to hibernate > > started > > a > > long time ago, and question is are we going to finish it anytime > > soon. Yes it was done a couple of year ago but never made it past a "POC" state. > It's not a case of finishing it, it's a case of redoing it. > These annotations are not being maintainted anymore, and a large > percent of them are now irrelevant. Indeed, they are mostly getting in the way and interfering with understanding the code.. As I see it there are 3 options: 1. Do nothing and just live with them. 2. Remove them completely and all hibernate related work. 3. Write DAOs that work with hibernate and start using them. For me #1 is not that great since currently it's just garbage that sits there unmaintained.. I would like to see #3 happen but I think that it's easier to do #2 first, and then each DAO can be treated separately (there's already the infrastructure for that in place). I know it might seem wasteful to do #2 instead of #3 but: * We don't have anyone to pick up #3 and work on it to get it to a good state. * The hibernate work that's been done is really cross product, but I don't see why we wouldn't do it in an iterative way instead of forcing all DAOs to switch in one fell swoop.. * The work that has been done, is not that much that we would "cry" over deleting it..

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From: "Mike Kolesnik" <mkolesni(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; Cc: "Itamar Heim" <iheim(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Allon Mureinik" <amureini(a)redhat.com&gt; Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:16:01 PM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] jpa annotations ----- Original Message ----- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim(a)redhat.com&gt; > > To: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhornyak(a)redhat.com&gt; > > Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] jpa annotations > > > > On 12/18/2012 03:55 PM, Laszlo Hornyak wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > We have JPA annotations on the backend entity beans, but they > > > have > > > never been actually used as far as I know and now that I looked > > > into VmTemplate for example we do not even have a vm_template > > > table anymore, while VmTemplate still refers to it. > > > Any plans with the JPA? > > > > > > > I'm assuming they are from the work on moving to hibernate > > started > > a > > long time ago, and question is are we going to finish it anytime > > soon. Yes it was done a couple of year ago but never made it past a "POC" state. > It's not a case of finishing it, it's a case of redoing it. > These annotations are not being maintainted anymore, and a large > percent of them are now irrelevant. Indeed, they are mostly getting in the way and interfering with understanding the code.. As I see it there are 3 options: 1. Do nothing and just live with them. 2. Remove them completely and all hibernate related work. 3. Write DAOs that work with hibernate and start using them. For me #1 is not that great since currently it's just garbage that sits there unmaintained.. I would like to see #3 happen but I think that it's easier to do #2 first, and then each DAO can be treated separately (there's already the infrastructure for that in place). I know it might seem wasteful to do #2 instead of #3 but: * We don't have anyone to pick up #3 and work on it to get it to a good state. * The hibernate work that's been done is really cross product, but I don't see why we wouldn't do it in an iterative way instead of forcing all DAOs to switch in one fell swoop.. * The work that has been done, is not that much that we would "cry" over deleting it..

Your thoughts? Regards, Mike

From: "Tal Nisan" <tnisan(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Allon Mureinik" <amureini(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "Mike Kolesnik" <mkolesni(a)redhat.com&gt;, "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:56:58 PM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] jpa annotations +2 for #2, seems like most of the work done is adding the annotations, most of which are not relevant anyway so if we want to get back someday to the Hibernate effort we will have to check each one individually anyway, better do it from scratch. On 01/14/2013 03:36 PM, Allon Mureinik wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Kolesnik&quot;&lt;mkolesni(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: &quot;engine-devel&quot;&lt;engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >> Cc: "Itamar Heim&quot;&lt;iheim(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Allon >> Mureinik&quot;&lt;amureini(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:16:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] jpa annotations >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Itamar Heim&quot;&lt;iheim(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> To: "Laszlo Hornyak&quot;&lt;lhornyak(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> Cc: &quot;engine-devel&quot;&lt;engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:52:39 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] jpa annotations >>>> >>>> On 12/18/2012 03:55 PM, Laszlo Hornyak wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> We have JPA annotations on the backend entity beans, but they >>>>> have >>>>> never been actually used as far as I know and now that I looked >>>>> into VmTemplate for example we do not even have a vm_template >>>>> table anymore, while VmTemplate still refers to it. >>>>> Any plans with the JPA? >>>>> >>>> I'm assuming they are from the work on moving to hibernate >>>> started >>>> a >>>> long time ago, and question is are we going to finish it anytime >>>> soon. >> Yes it was done a couple of year ago but never made it past a >> "POC" >> state. >> >>> It's not a case of finishing it, it's a case of redoing it. >>> These annotations are not being maintainted anymore, and a large >>> percent of them are now irrelevant. >> Indeed, they are mostly getting in the way and interfering with >> understanding the code.. >> >> As I see it there are 3 options: >> 1. Do nothing and just live with them. >> 2. Remove them completely and all hibernate related work. >> 3. Write DAOs that work with hibernate and start using them. >> >> For me #1 is not that great since currently it's just garbage that >> sits there unmaintained.. >> I would like to see #3 happen but I think that it's easier to do >> #2 >> first, and then each DAO can be treated separately (there's >> already >> the infrastructure for that in place). >> >> I know it might seem wasteful to do #2 instead of #3 but: >> * We don't have anyone to pick up #3 and work on it to get it to >> a >> good state. >> * The hibernate work that's been done is really cross product, >> but I >> don't see why we wouldn't do it in an iterative way instead of >> forcing all DAOs to switch in one fell swoop.. >> * The work that has been done, is not that much that we would >> "cry" >> over deleting it.. > #1 is just bad, as I think we can all agree. > As Edmund Burke (probably did not) say - "All that is necessary for > the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." > > re #2 and #3 - considering the state that these annotation are > currently in, #3 probably includes removing more than 50% of the > current annotations, so... > +2 on doing #2. > > >> Your thoughts? >> >> Regards, >> Mike >> > _______________________________________________ > Engine-devel mailing list > Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel