So the complete change CD flow should be: 1. get the previous drivespec from vm metadata 2. prepare new drivespec 3. add new drivespec to vm metadata 4. attach a new device to vm 5. teardown the previous drivespec 6. remove previous drivespec from vm metadata When the vm is stopped, it must do: 1. get drive spec from vm metadata 2. teardown drivespec During attach, there are interesting races: - what happens if vdsm crashes after step 2? who will teardown the volume? maybe you need to add the new drivespec to the metadata first, before preparing it. - what happens if attach failed? who will remove the new drive from the metadata?

Hi Fedor, > On 27 Jun 2020, at 14:46, Fedor Gavrilov <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > > So from what I was able to see in hotplugDisk example, for CDs I would > have to do similar: > > > 1. parse disk params from stored xml metadata > 2. call prepareVolumePath with these params > (skip normalizeVdsmImg) > 3. call updateDriveIndex Why? > (skip validating whether volume has leases) > 4. drive.getXML() and then hooks.before_disk_hotplug with it If only the storage stuff would ever finish moving to xml.... But it’s not right to call this hook anyway, iiuc you’re not doing a hotplug

> 5. call attachDevice with drive XML and handle possible errors > > > > I am not sure, however, whether we need what "else" does in hotplugDisk > (vm.py line 3468)... > > > Looking forward to hearing your opinions, > Fedor > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fedor Gavrilov" <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "devel" <devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 4:37:59 PM > Subject: [ovirt-devel] implementing hotplugCd/hotunplugCd in vdsm > > > > Hey, > > > > So in an attempt to fix change CD functionality we discovered a few other > potential CD has a long history of issues caused by historical simplifications. What is the intended fix, stop using string paths? > issues and what Nir suggested was to implement two [somewhat] new > functions in VDSM: hotplug and hotunplug for CDs similar to how it works > for normal disks now. This is conceptually different, CD is a removable media, hotplug/unplug is for the device itself. We never supported hotplug of the device though. > Existing changeCD function will be left as is for backwards > compatibility. Who would use the new function? > As I found out, engine already calculates iface and index before invoking > VDSM functions, so we will just pass these along with PDIV to the VDSM. > > > Suggested flow is, let me quote: > > > >> So the complete change CD flow should be: >> >> >> >> 1. get the previous drivespec from vm metadata >> 2. prepare new drivespec >> 3. add new drivespec to vm metadata >> 4. attach a new device to vm Don’t call it a new device when you just change a media >> 5. teardown the previous drivespec >> 6. remove previous drivespec from vm metadata >> >> >> >> When the vm is stopped, it must do: >> >> >> >> 1. get drive spec from vm metadata >> 2. teardown drivespec >> >> >> >> During attach, there are interesting races: >> - what happens if vdsm crashes after step 2? who will teardown the >> volume? >> maybe you need to add the new drivespec to the metadata first, >> before preparing it. >> - what happens if attach failed? who will remove the new drive from >> the metadata? > > > > Now, what makes hotplugDisk/hotunplugDisk different? From what I > understand, the flow is same there, so what difference is there as far as > VDSM is concerned? If none, this means if I more or less copy that code, > changing minor details and data accordingly for CDs, this should work, > shouldn't it? Hotplug/unplug is similar, but I would like to see the proposed change in context of engine as well, and I expect it to be a bit more complex there. Without that this is not worth it. Thanks, michal > > > Thanks! > Fedor > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list -- devel(a)ovirt.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)ovirt.org > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > oVirt Code of Conduct: > https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/

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Hi, as Fedor is on PTO, I was asked to take over. I don't think new functionality is need, more detail list of proposed flows and changes is bellow, TL;DR: I'd suggest to - change in engine: send PDIV instead of CD path from engine to vdsm - change in vdsm: implement counter of ISOs being used by VMs to know when we can deactivate volume - change in vdsm: remove old drivespec from VM XML when changing/removing CD (and eventually deactivate volume) You comments are welcome. Thanks Vojta Flows === VM without a CD ------------------------- - Should not be possible to insert any CD, this option should not be available/active in the UI.

VM without CD, changeCD inserts new ISO ----------------------------------------------------------------- - add new drivespec to VM metadata

- prepare new drivespec

- attach new device to VM - if attaching to VM fails, tear down drivespec and remove drivespec from VM metadata

VM with CD, changeCD removes current ISO ------------------------------------------------------------------- - tear down previous drivespec - if volume with ISO is inactive (as a result e.g. of failure of vdsm after inserting drivespec into VM metadata, but before activating volume), continue without error

- if drivespec is used by another VM, don’t deactivate volume

-remove drivespec from VM metadata

- if drivespec is used by another VM, don’t deactivate volume

- prepare new drivespec

Proposed changes =========== Engine ---------- - change ChangeDiskCommand to use PDIV (pool, domain, image, volume ID) instead of ISO path - modify UI not to provide an option to change CD for VMs without CD vdsm -------- - add volume/ISO counter which would count the number of VM using the given ISO. When CDROM is inserted, the counter is increased, when ejected, the counter is decreased. ISO volume is deactivated only when on VM uses it.

We already have sqlite DB for managed storage, so we can add DB for ISO quite easily. - modify Vm._changeBlockDev to reflect flows suggested above

> Hi Fedor, > > > > On 27 Jun 2020, at 14:46, Fedor Gavrilov <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > So from what I was able to see in hotplugDisk example, for CDs I would > > have to do similar: > > > > > > > 1. parse disk params from stored xml metadata > > 2. call prepareVolumePath with these params > > (skip normalizeVdsmImg) > > 3. call updateDriveIndex > > > Why? > > > > (skip validating whether volume has leases) > > 4. drive.getXML() and then hooks.before_disk_hotplug with it > > > If only the storage stuff would ever finish moving to xml.... > But it’s not right to call this hook anyway, iiuc you’re not doing a > hotplug > > > 5. call attachDevice with drive XML and handle possible errors > > > > > > > > I am not sure, however, whether we need what "else" does in hotplugDisk > > (vm.py line 3468)... > > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing your opinions, > > Fedor > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fedor Gavrilov" <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; > > To: "devel" <devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; > > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 4:37:59 PM > > Subject: [ovirt-devel] implementing hotplugCd/hotunplugCd in vdsm > > > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > So in an attempt to fix change CD functionality we discovered a few other > > potential > > CD has a long history of issues caused by historical simplifications. > What is the intended fix, stop using string paths? > > > > issues and what Nir suggested was to implement two [somewhat] new > > functions in VDSM: hotplug and hotunplug for CDs similar to how it works > > for normal disks now. > > This is conceptually different, CD is a removable media, > hotplug/unplug is for the device itself. We never supported hotplug of > the device though. > > > > Existing changeCD function will be left as is for backwards > > compatibility. > > > Who would use the new function? > > > > As I found out, engine already calculates iface and index before invoking > > VDSM functions, so we will just pass these along with PDIV to the VDSM. > > > > > > > Suggested flow is, let me quote: > > > > > > > >> So the complete change CD flow should be: > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. get the previous drivespec from vm metadata > >> 2. prepare new drivespec > >> 3. add new drivespec to vm metadata > >> 4. attach a new device to vm > > > Don’t call it a new device when you just change a media > > > >> 5. teardown the previous drivespec > >> 6. remove previous drivespec from vm metadata > >> > >> > >> > >> When the vm is stopped, it must do: > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. get drive spec from vm metadata > >> 2. teardown drivespec > >> > >> > >> > >> During attach, there are interesting races: > >> - what happens if vdsm crashes after step 2? who will teardown the > >> volume? > >> maybe you need to add the new drivespec to the metadata first, > >> before preparing it. > >> - what happens if attach failed? who will remove the new drive from > >> the metadata? > > > > > > > > Now, what makes hotplugDisk/hotunplugDisk different? From what I > > understand, the flow is same there, so what difference is there as far as > > VDSM is concerned? If none, this means if I more or less copy that code, > > changing minor details and data accordingly for CDs, this should work, > > shouldn't it? > > Hotplug/unplug is similar, but I would like to see the proposed change > in context of engine as well, and I expect it to be a bit more complex > there. Without that this is not worth it. > > Thanks, > michal > > > > > > > Thanks! > > Fedor > > _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list -- devel(a)ovirt.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)ovirt.org > > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > > oVirt Code of Conduct: > > https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List > > Archives: > > https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/devel@ovirt.org/message/LAQR3RW4RMT > > UNFUXL5T4HWLPKXJKEC3Y/ _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list -- devel(a)ovirt.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)ovirt.org > > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > > oVirt Code of Conduct: > > https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List > > Archives: > > https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/devel@ovirt.org/message/VKPDAB7XXTQ > > KPYWAZEHQYTV7TRCQQI2E/ > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list -- devel(a)ovirt.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)ovirt.org > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > oVirt Code of Conduct: > https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: > https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/devel@ovirt.org/message/W2U55OKENZP2Z > MNG7AJDYWE3NKBOPGOA/

> On 20 Aug 2020, at 14:28, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM Vojtech Juranek <vjuranek(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> as Fedor is on PTO, I was asked to take over. >> >> I don't think new functionality is need, more detail list of proposed >> flows and changes is bellow,

>> >> - change in engine: send PDIV instead of CD path from engine to vdsm the biggest issue here is always with older versions not having this functionality yet….

>> - change in vdsm: implement counter of ISOs being used by VMs to know >> when we can deactivate volume

>> from VM XML when changing/removing CD (and eventually deactivate >> volume)>> >> >> You comments are welcome. >> Thanks >> Vojta >> >> Flows >> === >> >> VM without a CD >> ------------------------- >> >> - Should not be possible to insert any CD, this option should not be >> available/active in the UI. > > I don't think we have such configuration, all VMs have empty cdrom by > default:

> > <disk type='file' device='cdrom'> > > <driver name='qemu' error_policy='report'/> > <source startupPolicy='optional'/> > <target dev='sdc' bus='sata'/> > <readonly/> > <alias name='ua-d95b29f2-e8a2-4119-9ac2-5b4267e6637d'/> > <address type='drive' controller='0' bus='0' target='0' unit='2'/> > > </disk> > > > But of course if we have such configuration when adding CD is not we don’t. All VMs have always at least that one implicit CD (empty or loaded)

cloud-init/payload, that additional CD is not “changeable” nor exposed in UI anywhere > possible, the menu/button > should be disabled in the UI. > > >> VM without CD, changeCD inserts new ISO please update to make it really clear, there’s no “VM without CD”. VM always has CD, just not loaded (empty tray)

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> - add new drivespec to VM metadata > > > How failure is handled? > > >> - prepare new drivespec > > > What if vdsm is restarted at this point? > > How VM recovery should handle this drivespec referring to inactive > volume? > > >> - attach new device to VM >> - if attaching to VM fails, tear down drivespec and remove drivespec >> from VM metadata > > Tearing down and removing drivespec cannot be done atomically. any > operation may fail and > vdsm may be killed at any point. > > The design should suggest how vdsm recover from all errors. > > >> VM with CD, changeCD removes current ISO >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> - tear down previous drivespec >> >> - if volume with ISO is inactive (as a result e.g. of failure of vdsm >> after inserting drivespec into VM metadata, but before activating >> volume), continue without error > > Sounds good, and may be already handled in lvm module. You can try to > deactivate

> > >> - if drivespec is used by another VM, don’t deactivate volume > > > This is the tricky part, vdsm does not have a mechanism for tracking > usage of block devices, > and adding such mechanism is much bigger work than supporting CD on > block devices, so > it cannot be part of this work. We do have the list of active VMs and their xml/devices, so we do know if there are other users, it’s nt an expensive check. Locking it properly so there’s no in flight request for change cd could be a bit tricky but it doesn’t sound that complex > > >> -remove drivespec from VM metadata > > > What if this fails, or vdsm is restarted before we try to do this? > > When vdsm starts it recovers running vms, we need to handle this case > - drivespec > referencing non-existing volume in this flow. remove what exactly? CD device stays there, the "tray is ejected”, device’s path is updated to “".

> > >> VM with CD, changeCD inserts new ISO and removes old >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------- > >> - tear down previous drivespec >> >> - if volume with ISO is inactive (as a result e.g. of failure of vdsm >> after inserting drivespec into VM metadata, but before activating >> volume), continue without error

>> VM, don’t deactivate volume >> >> - remove previous drivespec from VM metadata >> - add new drivespec to VM metadata >> - prepare new drivespec >> - attach new device to VM >> - if attaching new drivespac fails, tear down new drivespec and attach >> back previous drivespec > > This is too complicated. When I discussed this Fedor, our conclusion > was that we don't > want to support this complexity, and it will be much easier to > implement 2 APIs, one for > removing a CD, and one for inserting a CD. > > With separate APIs, error handling is much easier, and is similar to > existing error handling > in hotplugDisk and hotunplugDisk. You have good example how to handle > all errors in these > APIs. there’s a big difference between hotplugs and change CD in terms of the devices. It’s supposedly an atomic change. Though having a separate actions for load/eject would be probably ok. But not sure if worth it

> > For example, if we have API for removing a CD: > > 1. engine send VM.removeCD > 2. vdsm mark drivespec for removal > > Possible implementation: > > > <ovirt-vm:device devtype="disk" name="sdc" removing="yes"> > ... > </ovirt-vm:device> > > > 3. vdsm detach device from VM please update the flows. no device detach/attach… > 4. vsdm deactivate volume > 5. vdsm remove drivespec from metadata > > Vdsm may be killed after any step. When recovering the VM, we can have > these cases: > > 1. vdsm was killed after step 2, the CD is marked for removal, but > device is attached to VM, > > and the volume is active: > - change the metadata un-marking the drivespec for removal. > > 2. vdsm was killed after step 3, the drivespec is marked for removal, > and the device is not > > attached to the VM, but the volume is active: > - deactivate the volume > - remove the drivespec from the metadata > Note that this should not happen before vdsm deactivate unused > > logical volumes when starting > > so we should really have only case 3. > > 3. vdsm was killed after step 4, the drivespec is marked for removal, > device not attached > > to the VM, and the volume is not active: > - remove the drivespec from the metadata > > 4. vdsm was killed after step 5, everything is good in vdsm side. > > Teardown should not fail in storage layer if volume is still used. In > current code we cannot > avoid the lvm failures, but we don't have to pass the failure up to > the caller, or we can pass > specific error like "volume is used", which can be ignored silently by > the caller, since this > error means someone else is using this volume and is responsible for > deactivating it. > > In case of simple errors that vdsm can report, engine may fail the > change CD, or maybe > continue to insert the new one, if the old Cd was detached. For > example if old CD failed > to deactivate, this is storage issue that should not fail attaching of > a new CD. Storage layer > should make sure the volume is deactivate if nobody uses it, but the > user should not care > about that. > > If vdsm was killed, engine will fail the operation, but it must wait > until the VM is recovered. > At this point engine get the VM XML and can update the real state of > the CD, either still > attached, or detached. Virt code should not care about deactivation > failure.

> Storage layer should be concerned with deactivation of active volumes, > but I don't think we > handle such issues in engine yet. On vdsm side, unused logical volumes > are deactivated > during startup, see: > https://github.com/oVirt/vdsm/blob/f6de2ca915faa719381e22086feb8b65aa4de94 > 2/lib/vdsm/storage/lvm.py#L1023

> We probably need to add periodic job in storage to deactivate unused sounds good enough indeed > volumes so we don't wait > until the next vdsm restart. This can also be handled in engine but I > don't think it is the right place > to handle host state. > > >> Proposed changes >> =========== >> >> Engine >> ---------- >> >> - change ChangeDiskCommand to use PDIV (pool, domain, image, volume ID) >> instead of ISO path

>> for VMs without CD>> >> >> vdsm >> -------- >> >> - add volume/ISO counter which would count the number of VM using the >> given ISO. When CDROM is inserted, the counter is increased, when >> ejected, the counter is decreased. ISO volume is deactivated only when >> on VM uses it. > > This is a hack for supporting ISO, while the issue of shared block volume > is

> partial and broken > solution like avoiding activation in engine (image transfer), or > avoiding activation in > vdsm (snapshot). > > This should be solved separately in a proper way in vdsm storage. This > is a large and > complex change that we may have in future version, not something for > the next zstream. > Unfortunately this area in vdsm was neglected for years, and we have > huge technical debt. > > So for now we will have to live with warning when active ISO image is > deactivated, or improve > error handling so the caller can detect and handle properly the case > of volume in use. I think > better error handling will be easy to do and good enough for now. > > >> We already have sqlite DB for managed storage, so we can add DB for >> ISO quite easily. > >> - modify Vm._changeBlockDev to reflect flows suggested above > > > The solution require persistence, since vdsm can be killed, and most > we would most likely > use a database for this, but this should not be part of the > mangedvolume database, since > sqlite is not good with concurrent usage. > > Nir > > > >>> Hi Fedor, >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 14:46, Fedor Gavrilov <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So from what I was able to see in hotplugDisk example, for CDs I would >>>> have to do similar: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. parse disk params from stored xml metadata >>>> 2. call prepareVolumePath with these params >>>> (skip normalizeVdsmImg) >>>> 3. call updateDriveIndex >>> >>> >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> >>> >>>> (skip validating whether volume has leases) >>>> 4. drive.getXML() and then hooks.before_disk_hotplug with it >>> >>> >>> >>> If only the storage stuff would ever finish moving to xml.... >>> But it’s not right to call this hook anyway, iiuc you’re not doing a >>> hotplug >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> 5. call attachDevice with drive XML and handle possible errors >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am not sure, however, whether we need what "else" does in >>>> hotplugDisk >>>> (vm.py line 3468)... >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking forward to hearing your opinions, >>>> Fedor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Fedor Gavrilov" <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> To: "devel" <devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >>>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 4:37:59 PM >>>> Subject: [ovirt-devel] implementing hotplugCd/hotunplugCd in vdsm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So in an attempt to fix change CD functionality we discovered a few >>>> other >>>> potential >>> >>> >>> CD has a long history of issues caused by historical simplifications. >>> What is the intended fix, stop using string paths? >>> >>> >>> >>>> issues and what Nir suggested was to implement two [somewhat] new >>>> functions in VDSM: hotplug and hotunplug for CDs similar to how it >>>> works >>>> for normal disks now. >>> >>> >>> This is conceptually different, CD is a removable media, >>> hotplug/unplug is for the device itself. We never supported hotplug of >>> the device though. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Existing changeCD function will be left as is for backwards >>>> compatibility. >>> >>> >>> >>> Who would use the new function? >>> >>> >>> >>>> As I found out, engine already calculates iface and index before >>>> invoking >>>> VDSM functions, so we will just pass these along with PDIV to the >>>> VDSM. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Suggested flow is, let me quote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> So the complete change CD flow should be: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. get the previous drivespec from vm metadata >>>>> 2. prepare new drivespec >>>>> 3. add new drivespec to vm metadata >>>>> 4. attach a new device to vm >>> >>> >>> >>> Don’t call it a new device when you just change a media >>> >>> >>> >>>>> 5. teardown the previous drivespec >>>>> 6. remove previous drivespec from vm metadata >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When the vm is stopped, it must do: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. get drive spec from vm metadata >>>>> 2. teardown drivespec >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> During attach, there are interesting races: >>>>> - what happens if vdsm crashes after step 2? who will teardown the >>>>> volume? >>>>> maybe you need to add the new drivespec to the metadata first, >>>>> before preparing it. >>>>> - what happens if attach failed? who will remove the new drive from >>>>> the metadata? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, what makes hotplugDisk/hotunplugDisk different? From what I >>>> understand, the flow is same there, so what difference is there as far >>>> as >>>> VDSM is concerned? If none, this means if I more or less copy that >>>> code, >>>> changing minor details and data accordingly for CDs, this should work, >>>> shouldn't it? >>> >>> >>> Hotplug/unplug is similar, but I would like to see the proposed change >>> in context of engine as well, and I expect it to be a bit more complex >>> there. 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> On 25 Aug 2020, at 13:02, Vojtech Juranek <vjuranek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > On čtvrtek 20. srpna 2020 14:42:15 CEST Michal Skrivanek wrote: >>> On 20 Aug 2020, at 14:28, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM Vojtech Juranek <vjuranek(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> as Fedor is on PTO, I was asked to take over. >>>> >>>> I don't think new functionality is need, more detail list of proposed >>>> flows and changes is bellow, > TL;DR: I'd suggest to >>>> >>>> - change in engine: send PDIV instead of CD path from engine to vdsm >> >> >> the biggest issue here is always with older versions not having this >> functionality yet…. > > yes, I was wrong, this requires new functionality. Therefore Nir proposed to > create a feature page for it. We put together flows which should cover all the > possible issues (including VM recovery). Please review and comment directly > under > > https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-site/pull/2320 > > (unless you think creating feature page for it is wrong way to go:-) IMHO you’re making it bigger than it needs to be We already have ChangeCD API, I don’t see how adding two different APIs make it significantly better

There is definitely a time when old unmaintainable code needs to be rewritten and improved….but it greatly increases the "time to fix”.

Either way, I still don’t get "add new drivespec to VM metadata…”. We’re not adding a new drive. If you mean to extend the existing disk metadata with new attribute please say “extend” or something else instead.

>>>> - change in vdsm: implement counter of ISOs being used by VMs to know >>>> when we can deactivate volume > - change in vdsm: remove old drivespec >>>> from VM XML when changing/removing CD (and eventually deactivate >>>> volume)>> >>>> >>>> You comments are welcome. >>>> Thanks >>>> Vojta >>>> >>>> Flows >>>> === >>>> >>>> VM without a CD >>>> ------------------------- >>>> >>>> - Should not be possible to insert any CD, this option should not be >>>> available/active in the UI. >> >>> >>> I don't think we have such configuration, all VMs have empty cdrom by >>> default: > >>> >>> <disk type='file' device='cdrom'> >>> >>> <driver name='qemu' error_policy='report'/> >>> <source startupPolicy='optional'/> >>> <target dev='sdc' bus='sata'/> >>> <readonly/> >>> <alias name='ua-d95b29f2-e8a2-4119-9ac2-5b4267e6637d'/> >>> <address type='drive' controller='0' bus='0' target='0' unit='2'/> >>> >>> </disk> >>> >>> >>> But of course if we have such configuration when adding CD is not >> >> >> we don’t. All VMs have always at least that one implicit CD (empty or >> loaded) > We have a case where there is additional CD for >> cloud-init/payload, that additional CD is not “changeable” nor exposed in >> UI anywhere >> >>> possible, the menu/button >>> should be disabled in the UI. >>> >>> >>>> VM without CD, changeCD inserts new ISO >> >> >> please update to make it really clear, there’s no “VM without CD”. VM always >> has CD, just not loaded (empty tray) > so this case doesn’t exist… >> >> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> - add new drivespec to VM metadata >>> >>> >>> How failure is handled? >>> >>> >>>> - prepare new drivespec >>> >>> >>> What if vdsm is restarted at this point? >>> >>> How VM recovery should handle this drivespec referring to inactive >>> volume? >>> >>> >>>> - attach new device to VM >>>> - if attaching to VM fails, tear down drivespec and remove drivespec >>>> from VM metadata >> >>> >>> Tearing down and removing drivespec cannot be done atomically. any >>> operation may fail and >>> vdsm may be killed at any point. >>> >>> The design should suggest how vdsm recover from all errors. >>> >>> >>>> VM with CD, changeCD removes current ISO >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> - tear down previous drivespec >>>> >>>> - if volume with ISO is inactive (as a result e.g. of failure of vdsm >>>> after inserting drivespec into VM metadata, but before activating >>>> volume), continue without error >> >>> >>> Sounds good, and may be already handled in lvm module. You can try to >>> deactivate > LV twice to confirm this. >>> >>> >>>> - if drivespec is used by another VM, don’t deactivate volume >>> >>> >>> This is the tricky part, vdsm does not have a mechanism for tracking >>> usage of block devices, >>> and adding such mechanism is much bigger work than supporting CD on >>> block devices, so >>> it cannot be part of this work. >> >> >> We do have the list of active VMs and their xml/devices, so we do know if >> there are other users, it’s nt an expensive check. Locking it properly so >> there’s no in flight request for change cd could be a bit tricky but it >> doesn’t sound that complex >>> >>> >>>> -remove drivespec from VM metadata >>> >>> >>> What if this fails, or vdsm is restarted before we try to do this? >>> >>> When vdsm starts it recovers running vms, we need to handle this case >>> - drivespec >>> referencing non-existing volume in this flow. >> >> >> remove what exactly? CD device stays there, the "tray is ejected”, device’s >> path is updated to “". > >> >>> >>> >>>> VM with CD, changeCD inserts new ISO and removes old >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------------- >>> >>>> - tear down previous drivespec >>>> >>>> - if volume with ISO is inactive (as a result e.g. of failure of vdsm >>>> after inserting drivespec into VM metadata, but before activating >>>> volume), continue without error > - if drivespec is used by another >>>> VM, don’t deactivate volume >>>> >>>> - remove previous drivespec from VM metadata >>>> - add new drivespec to VM metadata >>>> - prepare new drivespec >>>> - attach new device to VM >>>> - if attaching new drivespac fails, tear down new drivespec and attach >>>> back previous drivespec >> >>> >>> This is too complicated. When I discussed this Fedor, our conclusion >>> was that we don't >>> want to support this complexity, and it will be much easier to >>> implement 2 APIs, one for >>> removing a CD, and one for inserting a CD. >>> >>> With separate APIs, error handling is much easier, and is similar to >>> existing error handling >>> in hotplugDisk and hotunplugDisk. You have good example how to handle >>> all errors in these >>> APIs. >> >> >> there’s a big difference between hotplugs and change CD in terms of the >> devices. It’s supposedly an atomic change. Though having a separate actions >> for load/eject would be probably ok. But not sure if worth it > >> >>> >>> For example, if we have API for removing a CD: >>> >>> 1. engine send VM.removeCD >>> 2. vdsm mark drivespec for removal >>> >>> Possible implementation: >>> >>> >>> <ovirt-vm:device devtype="disk" name="sdc" removing="yes"> >>> ... >>> </ovirt-vm:device> >>> >>> >>> 3. vdsm detach device from VM >> >> >> please update the flows. no device detach/attach… >> >> >>> 4. vsdm deactivate volume >>> 5. vdsm remove drivespec from metadata >>> >>> Vdsm may be killed after any step. When recovering the VM, we can have >>> these cases: >>> >>> 1. vdsm was killed after step 2, the CD is marked for removal, but >>> device is attached to VM, >>> >>> and the volume is active: >>> - change the metadata un-marking the drivespec for removal. >>> >>> 2. vdsm was killed after step 3, the drivespec is marked for removal, >>> and the device is not >>> >>> attached to the VM, but the volume is active: >>> - deactivate the volume >>> - remove the drivespec from the metadata >>> Note that this should not happen before vdsm deactivate unused >>> >>> logical volumes when starting >>> >>> so we should really have only case 3. >>> >>> 3. vdsm was killed after step 4, the drivespec is marked for removal, >>> device not attached >>> >>> to the VM, and the volume is not active: >>> - remove the drivespec from the metadata >>> >>> 4. vdsm was killed after step 5, everything is good in vdsm side. >>> >>> Teardown should not fail in storage layer if volume is still used. In >>> current code we cannot >>> avoid the lvm failures, but we don't have to pass the failure up to >>> the caller, or we can pass >>> specific error like "volume is used", which can be ignored silently by >>> the caller, since this >>> error means someone else is using this volume and is responsible for >>> deactivating it. >>> >>> In case of simple errors that vdsm can report, engine may fail the >>> change CD, or maybe >>> continue to insert the new one, if the old Cd was detached. For >>> example if old CD failed >>> to deactivate, this is storage issue that should not fail attaching of >>> a new CD. Storage layer >>> should make sure the volume is deactivate if nobody uses it, but the >>> user should not care >>> about that. >>> >>> If vdsm was killed, engine will fail the operation, but it must wait >>> until the VM is recovered. >>> At this point engine get the VM XML and can update the real state of >>> the CD, either still >>> attached, or detached. Virt code should not care about deactivation >>> failure. > >>> Storage layer should be concerned with deactivation of active volumes, >>> but I don't think we >>> handle such issues in engine yet. On vdsm side, unused logical volumes >>> are deactivated >>> during startup, see: >>> https://github.com/oVirt/vdsm/blob/f6de2ca915faa719381e22086feb8b65aa4de94 >>> 2/lib/vdsm/storage/lvm.py#L1023 > >>> We probably need to add periodic job in storage to deactivate unused >> >> >> sounds good enough indeed >> >> >>> volumes so we don't wait >>> until the next vdsm restart. This can also be handled in engine but I >>> don't think it is the right place >>> to handle host state. >>> >>> >>>> Proposed changes >>>> =========== >>>> >>>> Engine >>>> ---------- >>>> >>>> - change ChangeDiskCommand to use PDIV (pool, domain, image, volume ID) >>>> instead of ISO path > - modify UI not to provide an option to change CD >>>> for VMs without CD>> >>>> >>>> vdsm >>>> -------- >>>> >>>> - add volume/ISO counter which would count the number of VM using the >>>> given ISO. When CDROM is inserted, the counter is increased, when >>>> ejected, the counter is decreased. ISO volume is deactivated only when >>>> on VM uses it. >> >>> >>> This is a hack for supporting ISO, while the issue of shared block volume >>> is > not limited to ISO. We have this issue in many flows with many >>> partial and broken >>> solution like avoiding activation in engine (image transfer), or >>> avoiding activation in >>> vdsm (snapshot). >>> >>> This should be solved separately in a proper way in vdsm storage. This >>> is a large and >>> complex change that we may have in future version, not something for >>> the next zstream. >>> Unfortunately this area in vdsm was neglected for years, and we have >>> huge technical debt. >>> >>> So for now we will have to live with warning when active ISO image is >>> deactivated, or improve >>> error handling so the caller can detect and handle properly the case >>> of volume in use. I think >>> better error handling will be easy to do and good enough for now. >>> >>> >>>> We already have sqlite DB for managed storage, so we can add DB for >>>> ISO quite easily. >>> >>>> - modify Vm._changeBlockDev to reflect flows suggested above >>> >>> >>> The solution require persistence, since vdsm can be killed, and most >>> we would most likely >>> use a database for this, but this should not be part of the >>> mangedvolume database, since >>> sqlite is not good with concurrent usage. >>> >>> Nir >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Hi Fedor, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 14:46, Fedor Gavrilov <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So from what I was able to see in hotplugDisk example, for CDs I would >>>>>> have to do similar: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. parse disk params from stored xml metadata >>>>>> 2. call prepareVolumePath with these params >>>>>> (skip normalizeVdsmImg) >>>>>> 3. call updateDriveIndex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> (skip validating whether volume has leases) >>>>>> 4. drive.getXML() and then hooks.before_disk_hotplug with it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If only the storage stuff would ever finish moving to xml.... >>>>> But it’s not right to call this hook anyway, iiuc you’re not doing a >>>>> hotplug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 5. call attachDevice with drive XML and handle possible errors >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure, however, whether we need what "else" does in >>>>>> hotplugDisk >>>>>> (vm.py line 3468)... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your opinions, >>>>>> Fedor >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Fedor Gavrilov" <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>> To: "devel" <devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 4:37:59 PM >>>>>> Subject: [ovirt-devel] implementing hotplugCd/hotunplugCd in vdsm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So in an attempt to fix change CD functionality we discovered a few >>>>>> other >>>>>> potential >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> CD has a long history of issues caused by historical simplifications. >>>>> What is the intended fix, stop using string paths? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> issues and what Nir suggested was to implement two [somewhat] new >>>>>> functions in VDSM: hotplug and hotunplug for CDs similar to how it >>>>>> works >>>>>> for normal disks now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is conceptually different, CD is a removable media, >>>>> hotplug/unplug is for the device itself. We never supported hotplug of >>>>> the device though. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Existing changeCD function will be left as is for backwards >>>>>> compatibility. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Who would use the new function? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As I found out, engine already calculates iface and index before >>>>>> invoking >>>>>> VDSM functions, so we will just pass these along with PDIV to the >>>>>> VDSM. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Suggested flow is, let me quote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> So the complete change CD flow should be: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. get the previous drivespec from vm metadata >>>>>>> 2. prepare new drivespec >>>>>>> 3. add new drivespec to vm metadata >>>>>>> 4. attach a new device to vm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don’t call it a new device when you just change a media >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> 5. teardown the previous drivespec >>>>>>> 6. remove previous drivespec from vm metadata >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When the vm is stopped, it must do: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. get drive spec from vm metadata >>>>>>> 2. teardown drivespec >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> During attach, there are interesting races: >>>>>>> - what happens if vdsm crashes after step 2? who will teardown the >>>>>>> volume? >>>>>>> maybe you need to add the new drivespec to the metadata first, >>>>>>> before preparing it. >>>>>>> - what happens if attach failed? who will remove the new drive from >>>>>>> the metadata? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, what makes hotplugDisk/hotunplugDisk different? From what I >>>>>> understand, the flow is same there, so what difference is there as far >>>>>> as >>>>>> VDSM is concerned? If none, this means if I more or less copy that >>>>>> code, >>>>>> changing minor details and data accordingly for CDs, this should work, >>>>>> shouldn't it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hotplug/unplug is similar, but I would like to see the proposed change >>>>> in context of engine as well, and I expect it to be a bit more complex >>>>> there. 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> On 25 Aug 2020, at 13:50, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:21 PM Michal Skrivanek > <michal.skrivanek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 25 Aug 2020, at 13:02, Vojtech Juranek <vjuranek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> On čtvrtek 20. srpna 2020 14:42:15 CEST Michal Skrivanek wrote: >>>>> On 20 Aug 2020, at 14:28, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM Vojtech Juranek <vjuranek(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> as Fedor is on PTO, I was asked to take over. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think new functionality is need, more detail list of proposed >>>>>> flows and changes is bellow, >>> TL;DR: I'd suggest to >>>>>> >>>>>> - change in engine: send PDIV instead of CD path from engine to vdsm >>>> >>>> >>>> the biggest issue here is always with older versions not having this >>>> functionality yet…. >>> >>> yes, I was wrong, this requires new functionality. Therefore Nir proposed to >>> create a feature page for it. We put together flows which should cover all the >>> possible issues (including VM recovery). Please review and comment directly >>> under >>> >>> https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-site/pull/2320 >>> >>> (unless you think creating feature page for it is wrong way to go:-) >> >> IMHO you’re making it bigger than it needs to be >> We already have ChangeCD API, I don’t see how adding two different APIs make it significantly better > > The new APIs are internal, I don't think we need user visible API to > insert and eject a CD. > >> There is definitely a time when old unmaintainable code needs to be rewritten and improved….but it greatly increases the "time to fix”. > > Actually this shorten the time to fix, from infinity (current mess) to > next release :-) 4.4.3 sounds a bit too ambitious. Work on 4.4.3 already started and we don’t have a finished design for this. Looks more like 4.4.4 but that’s still better than infinity for sure;-)

> >> Either way, I still don’t get "add new drivespec to VM metadata…”. We’re not adding a new drive. If you mean to extend the existing disk metadata with new attribute please say “extend” or something else instead. > > We already need to keep the drive details (pool id, domain id, image > id, volume id) > so we can deactivate the drive later. This is how we handle other > disks, and how we > keep the volume info when starting a VM with a CD on block storage: > > Example from VM started with ISO on block storage: > > <ovirt-vm:device devtype="disk" name="sdc"> > <ovirt-vm:domainID>6e37519d-a58b-47ac-a339-479539c19fc7</ovirt-vm:domainID> > <ovirt-vm:imageID>2d8d2402-8ad1-416d-9761-559217d8b414</ovirt-vm:imageID> > <ovirt-vm:poolID>86b5a5ca-5376-4cef-a8f7-d1dc1ee144b4</ovirt-vm:poolID> > <ovirt-vm:volumeID>7bc3ff54-f493-4212-b9f3-bea491c4a502</ovirt-vm:volumeID> > <ovirt-vm:volumeChain> > <ovirt-vm:volumeChainNode> > > <ovirt-vm:domainID>6e37519d-a58b-47ac-a339-479539c19fc7</ovirt-vm:domainID> > > <ovirt-vm:imageID>2d8d2402-8ad1-416d-9761-559217d8b414</ovirt-vm:imageID> > <ovirt-vm:leaseOffset > type="int">105906176</ovirt-vm:leaseOffset> > > <ovirt-vm:leasePath>/dev/6e37519d-a58b-47ac-a339-479539c19fc7/leases</ovirt-vm:leasePath> > > <ovirt-vm:path>/rhev/data-center/mnt/blockSD/6e37519d-a58b-47ac-a339-479539c19fc7/images/2d8d2402-8ad1-416d-9761-559217d8b414/7bc3ff54-f493-4212-b9f3-bea491c4a502</ovirt-vm:path> > > <ovirt-vm:volumeID>7bc3ff54-f493-4212-b9f3-bea491c4a502</ovirt-vm:volumeID> > </ovirt-vm:volumeChainNode> > </ovirt-vm:volumeChain> > </ovirt-vm:device> > ... > <disk type='block' device='cdrom'> > <driver name='qemu' type='raw' error_policy='report'/> > <source dev='/rhev/data-center/mnt/blockSD/6e37519d-a58b-47ac-a339-479539c19fc7/images/2d8d2402-8ad1-416d-9761-559217d8b414/7bc3ff54-f493-4212-b9f3-bea491c4a502' > index='3'> > <seclabel model='dac' relabel='no'/> > </source> > <backingStore/> > <target dev='sdc' bus='sata'/> > <readonly/> > <boot order='2'/> > <alias name='ua-d95b29f2-e8a2-4119-9ac2-5b4267e6637d'/> > <address type='drive' controller='0' bus='0' target='0' unit='2'/> > </disk> > > When we start without a CD and insert a CD, the XML should be the > same, so we need > to add a drivespec to the metadata. > > When we eject a CD we need to remove the CD metadat from the vm metadata. yes. that’s what i had in mind. it’s not adding/removing the whole disk or its metadata, just the drivespec of it. do you want to change that for iso domain -based CDs as well? If so, please describe how that would work. It may be easier to keep it as is.

> Vojta, I think we should add this into to the feature page to make it > more clear. yes please. I just wanted to clarify “bigger things” here first Thanks, michal > >>>>>> - change in vdsm: implement counter of ISOs being used by VMs to know >>>>>> when we can deactivate volume >>> - change in vdsm: remove old drivespec >>>>>> from VM XML when changing/removing CD (and eventually deactivate >>>>>> volume)>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You comments are welcome. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Vojta >>>>>> >>>>>> Flows >>>>>> === >>>>>> >>>>>> VM without a CD >>>>>> ------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> - Should not be possible to insert any CD, this option should not be >>>>>> available/active in the UI. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't think we have such configuration, all VMs have empty cdrom by >>>>> default: >>> >>>>> >>>>> <disk type='file' device='cdrom'> >>>>> >>>>> <driver name='qemu' error_policy='report'/> >>>>> <source startupPolicy='optional'/> >>>>> <target dev='sdc' bus='sata'/> >>>>> <readonly/> >>>>> <alias name='ua-d95b29f2-e8a2-4119-9ac2-5b4267e6637d'/> >>>>> <address type='drive' controller='0' bus='0' target='0' unit='2'/> >>>>> >>>>> </disk> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But of course if we have such configuration when adding CD is not >>>> >>>> >>>> we don’t. All VMs have always at least that one implicit CD (empty or >>>> loaded) >>> We have a case where there is additional CD for >>>> cloud-init/payload, that additional CD is not “changeable” nor exposed in >>>> UI anywhere >>>> >>>>> possible, the menu/button >>>>> should be disabled in the UI. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> VM without CD, changeCD inserts new ISO >>>> >>>> >>>> please update to make it really clear, there’s no “VM without CD”. VM always >>>> has CD, just not loaded (empty tray) >>> so this case doesn’t exist… >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> - add new drivespec to VM metadata >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How failure is handled? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> - prepare new drivespec >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What if vdsm is restarted at this point? >>>>> >>>>> How VM recovery should handle this drivespec referring to inactive >>>>> volume? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> - attach new device to VM >>>>>> - if attaching to VM fails, tear down drivespec and remove drivespec >>>>>> from VM metadata >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tearing down and removing drivespec cannot be done atomically. any >>>>> operation may fail and >>>>> vdsm may be killed at any point. >>>>> >>>>> The design should suggest how vdsm recover from all errors. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> VM with CD, changeCD removes current ISO >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> - tear down previous drivespec >>>>>> >>>>>> - if volume with ISO is inactive (as a result e.g. of failure of vdsm >>>>>> after inserting drivespec into VM metadata, but before activating >>>>>> volume), continue without error >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sounds good, and may be already handled in lvm module. You can try to >>>>> deactivate >>> LV twice to confirm this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> - if drivespec is used by another VM, don’t deactivate volume >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is the tricky part, vdsm does not have a mechanism for tracking >>>>> usage of block devices, >>>>> and adding such mechanism is much bigger work than supporting CD on >>>>> block devices, so >>>>> it cannot be part of this work. >>>> >>>> >>>> We do have the list of active VMs and their xml/devices, so we do know if >>>> there are other users, it’s nt an expensive check. Locking it properly so >>>> there’s no in flight request for change cd could be a bit tricky but it >>>> doesn’t sound that complex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -remove drivespec from VM metadata >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What if this fails, or vdsm is restarted before we try to do this? >>>>> >>>>> When vdsm starts it recovers running vms, we need to handle this case >>>>> - drivespec >>>>> referencing non-existing volume in this flow. >>>> >>>> >>>> remove what exactly? CD device stays there, the "tray is ejected”, device’s >>>> path is updated to “". >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> VM with CD, changeCD inserts new ISO and removes old >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ------------- >>>>> >>>>>> - tear down previous drivespec >>>>>> >>>>>> - if volume with ISO is inactive (as a result e.g. of failure of vdsm >>>>>> after inserting drivespec into VM metadata, but before activating >>>>>> volume), continue without error >>> - if drivespec is used by another >>>>>> VM, don’t deactivate volume >>>>>> >>>>>> - remove previous drivespec from VM metadata >>>>>> - add new drivespec to VM metadata >>>>>> - prepare new drivespec >>>>>> - attach new device to VM >>>>>> - if attaching new drivespac fails, tear down new drivespec and attach >>>>>> back previous drivespec >>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is too complicated. When I discussed this Fedor, our conclusion >>>>> was that we don't >>>>> want to support this complexity, and it will be much easier to >>>>> implement 2 APIs, one for >>>>> removing a CD, and one for inserting a CD. >>>>> >>>>> With separate APIs, error handling is much easier, and is similar to >>>>> existing error handling >>>>> in hotplugDisk and hotunplugDisk. You have good example how to handle >>>>> all errors in these >>>>> APIs. >>>> >>>> >>>> there’s a big difference between hotplugs and change CD in terms of the >>>> devices. It’s supposedly an atomic change. Though having a separate actions >>>> for load/eject would be probably ok. But not sure if worth it >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> For example, if we have API for removing a CD: >>>>> >>>>> 1. engine send VM.removeCD >>>>> 2. vdsm mark drivespec for removal >>>>> >>>>> Possible implementation: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <ovirt-vm:device devtype="disk" name="sdc" removing="yes"> >>>>> ... >>>>> </ovirt-vm:device> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. vdsm detach device from VM >>>> >>>> >>>> please update the flows. no device detach/attach… >>>> >>>> >>>>> 4. vsdm deactivate volume >>>>> 5. vdsm remove drivespec from metadata >>>>> >>>>> Vdsm may be killed after any step. When recovering the VM, we can have >>>>> these cases: >>>>> >>>>> 1. vdsm was killed after step 2, the CD is marked for removal, but >>>>> device is attached to VM, >>>>> >>>>> and the volume is active: >>>>> - change the metadata un-marking the drivespec for removal. >>>>> >>>>> 2. vdsm was killed after step 3, the drivespec is marked for removal, >>>>> and the device is not >>>>> >>>>> attached to the VM, but the volume is active: >>>>> - deactivate the volume >>>>> - remove the drivespec from the metadata >>>>> Note that this should not happen before vdsm deactivate unused >>>>> >>>>> logical volumes when starting >>>>> >>>>> so we should really have only case 3. >>>>> >>>>> 3. vdsm was killed after step 4, the drivespec is marked for removal, >>>>> device not attached >>>>> >>>>> to the VM, and the volume is not active: >>>>> - remove the drivespec from the metadata >>>>> >>>>> 4. vdsm was killed after step 5, everything is good in vdsm side. >>>>> >>>>> Teardown should not fail in storage layer if volume is still used. In >>>>> current code we cannot >>>>> avoid the lvm failures, but we don't have to pass the failure up to >>>>> the caller, or we can pass >>>>> specific error like "volume is used", which can be ignored silently by >>>>> the caller, since this >>>>> error means someone else is using this volume and is responsible for >>>>> deactivating it. >>>>> >>>>> In case of simple errors that vdsm can report, engine may fail the >>>>> change CD, or maybe >>>>> continue to insert the new one, if the old Cd was detached. For >>>>> example if old CD failed >>>>> to deactivate, this is storage issue that should not fail attaching of >>>>> a new CD. Storage layer >>>>> should make sure the volume is deactivate if nobody uses it, but the >>>>> user should not care >>>>> about that. >>>>> >>>>> If vdsm was killed, engine will fail the operation, but it must wait >>>>> until the VM is recovered. >>>>> At this point engine get the VM XML and can update the real state of >>>>> the CD, either still >>>>> attached, or detached. Virt code should not care about deactivation >>>>> failure. >>> >>>>> Storage layer should be concerned with deactivation of active volumes, >>>>> but I don't think we >>>>> handle such issues in engine yet. On vdsm side, unused logical volumes >>>>> are deactivated >>>>> during startup, see: >>>>> https://github.com/oVirt/vdsm/blob/f6de2ca915faa719381e22086feb8b65aa4de94 >>>>> 2/lib/vdsm/storage/lvm.py#L1023 >>> >>>>> We probably need to add periodic job in storage to deactivate unused >>>> >>>> >>>> sounds good enough indeed >>>> >>>> >>>>> volumes so we don't wait >>>>> until the next vdsm restart. This can also be handled in engine but I >>>>> don't think it is the right place >>>>> to handle host state. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Proposed changes >>>>>> =========== >>>>>> >>>>>> Engine >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> >>>>>> - change ChangeDiskCommand to use PDIV (pool, domain, image, volume ID) >>>>>> instead of ISO path >>> - modify UI not to provide an option to change CD >>>>>> for VMs without CD>> >>>>>> >>>>>> vdsm >>>>>> -------- >>>>>> >>>>>> - add volume/ISO counter which would count the number of VM using the >>>>>> given ISO. When CDROM is inserted, the counter is increased, when >>>>>> ejected, the counter is decreased. ISO volume is deactivated only when >>>>>> on VM uses it. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is a hack for supporting ISO, while the issue of shared block volume >>>>> is >>> not limited to ISO. We have this issue in many flows with many >>>>> partial and broken >>>>> solution like avoiding activation in engine (image transfer), or >>>>> avoiding activation in >>>>> vdsm (snapshot). >>>>> >>>>> This should be solved separately in a proper way in vdsm storage. This >>>>> is a large and >>>>> complex change that we may have in future version, not something for >>>>> the next zstream. >>>>> Unfortunately this area in vdsm was neglected for years, and we have >>>>> huge technical debt. >>>>> >>>>> So for now we will have to live with warning when active ISO image is >>>>> deactivated, or improve >>>>> error handling so the caller can detect and handle properly the case >>>>> of volume in use. I think >>>>> better error handling will be easy to do and good enough for now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> We already have sqlite DB for managed storage, so we can add DB for >>>>>> ISO quite easily. >>>>> >>>>>> - modify Vm._changeBlockDev to reflect flows suggested above >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The solution require persistence, since vdsm can be killed, and most >>>>> we would most likely >>>>> use a database for this, but this should not be part of the >>>>> mangedvolume database, since >>>>> sqlite is not good with concurrent usage. >>>>> >>>>> Nir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Fedor, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 14:46, Fedor Gavrilov <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So from what I was able to see in hotplugDisk example, for CDs I would >>>>>>>> have to do similar: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. parse disk params from stored xml metadata >>>>>>>> 2. call prepareVolumePath with these params >>>>>>>> (skip normalizeVdsmImg) >>>>>>>> 3. call updateDriveIndex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (skip validating whether volume has leases) >>>>>>>> 4. drive.getXML() and then hooks.before_disk_hotplug with it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If only the storage stuff would ever finish moving to xml.... >>>>>>> But it’s not right to call this hook anyway, iiuc you’re not doing a >>>>>>> hotplug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5. call attachDevice with drive XML and handle possible errors >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not sure, however, whether we need what "else" does in >>>>>>>> hotplugDisk >>>>>>>> (vm.py line 3468)... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your opinions, >>>>>>>> Fedor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Fedor Gavrilov" <fgavrilo(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>> To: "devel" <devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 4:37:59 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: [ovirt-devel] implementing hotplugCd/hotunplugCd in vdsm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So in an attempt to fix change CD functionality we discovered a few >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> potential >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CD has a long history of issues caused by historical simplifications. >>>>>>> What is the intended fix, stop using string paths? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> issues and what Nir suggested was to implement two [somewhat] new >>>>>>>> functions in VDSM: hotplug and hotunplug for CDs similar to how it >>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>> for normal disks now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is conceptually different, CD is a removable media, >>>>>>> hotplug/unplug is for the device itself. We never supported hotplug of >>>>>>> the device though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Existing changeCD function will be left as is for backwards >>>>>>>> compatibility. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Who would use the new function? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I found out, engine already calculates iface and index before >>>>>>>> invoking >>>>>>>> VDSM functions, so we will just pass these along with PDIV to the >>>>>>>> VDSM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Suggested flow is, let me quote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So the complete change CD flow should be: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. get the previous drivespec from vm metadata >>>>>>>>> 2. prepare new drivespec >>>>>>>>> 3. add new drivespec to vm metadata >>>>>>>>> 4. attach a new device to vm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don’t call it a new device when you just change a media >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5. teardown the previous drivespec >>>>>>>>> 6. remove previous drivespec from vm metadata >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When the vm is stopped, it must do: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. get drive spec from vm metadata >>>>>>>>> 2. teardown drivespec >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> During attach, there are interesting races: >>>>>>>>> - what happens if vdsm crashes after step 2? who will teardown the >>>>>>>>> volume? >>>>>>>>> maybe you need to add the new drivespec to the metadata first, >>>>>>>>> before preparing it. >>>>>>>>> - what happens if attach failed? who will remove the new drive from >>>>>>>>> the metadata? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, what makes hotplugDisk/hotunplugDisk different? From what I >>>>>>>> understand, the flow is same there, so what difference is there as far >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> VDSM is concerned? If none, this means if I more or less copy that >>>>>>>> code, >>>>>>>> changing minor details and data accordingly for CDs, this should work, >>>>>>>> shouldn't it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hotplug/unplug is similar, but I would like to see the proposed change >>>>>>> in context of engine as well, and I expect it to be a bit more complex >>>>>>> there. 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