On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Michal Skrivanek <mskrivan(a)redhat.com <mailto:mskrivan@redhat.com>> wrote: > On 29 May 2017, at 11:44, Juan Hernández <jhernand(a)redhat.com <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com>> wrote: > >> On 05/29/2017 11:27 AM, Michal Skrivanek wrote: >> >>> On 29 May 2017, at 10:39, Juan Hernández <jhernand(a)redhat.com <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> It has been recently requested that the API provides event types: >>> >>> [RFE] Expose event types to API >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1453170 <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1453170> >>> >>> Currently the API provides the event code and description, for example: >>> >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> >>> <code>19</code> >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description >>> ... >>> </event> >>> >>> There is no documentation of what is the meaning of codes, except the >>> source code of the engine itself. This forces some applications to add >>> their own code to name mapping. For example, the 'ovirt' Ruby gem used >>> by older versions of ManageIQ to interact with oVirt contains the following: >>> >>> https://github.com/ManageIQ/ovirt/blob/v0.17.0/lib/ovirt/event.rb#L25-L485 <https://github.com/ManageIQ/ovirt/blob/v0.17.0/lib/ovirt/event.rb#L25-L48... >>> >>> We could avoid this by adding to the API a new event attribute that >>> indicates the type: >>> >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> >>> <code>19</code> >>> <type>host_recover_failure</type> >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description> >>> ... >>> </event> >>> >>> Ideally this should be defined as an enum, so that it will be >>> represented as an enum in the SDKs. Alternatively it could just be an >>> string, and we could reuse the 'name' attribute: >>> >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> >>> <code>19</code> >>> <name>host_recover_failure</name> >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description> >>> ... >>> </event> >>> >>> However, the key point to making this useful would be to keep the types >>> (or names) backwards compatible, so that users of the API can rely on >>> their values and meanings. >>> >>> So this is my question to you: can we commit to keep the names and >>> meanings of the backend event types backwards compatible? >> >> Do we even have to make it bw compatible? >> I guess it depends on the actual usage of those names… >> The ovirt ruby gem itself doesn’t do much with it > > We need to make keep it backwards compatible or else tell users "don't > rely on these values, as they may change without notice". > > The 'ovirt' gem doesn't do anything special, it just creates its own > code to name mapping. But the users of the 'ovirt' gem (the ManageIQ > oVirt provider) do rely on the name. For example: > > > https://github.com/ManageIQ/manageiq-providers-ovirt/blob/master/app/mode... <https://github.com/ManageIQ/manageiq-providers-ovirt/blob/master/app/mode... hmmm, while we are on topic, this pretty much looks like that manageiq does not only rely on the code but also on the actual value of it since it is parsing it: # sample message: "Interface nic1 (VirtIO) was added to VM v5. (User: admin@internal-authz)" message.split(/\s/)[7][0...-1] Is this something we commit to maintain? Or should we commit to maintain it?

> > That means that if we ever change the meaning of a code the ManageIQ > provider, for example, will break. Right,then it indeed needs to stay stable. But how is maintaining the enum string different from the code? It is the same information, so if MIQ doesn't use the name directly then it doesn't really matter if it's a code or string. Perhaps deprecate the code and keep the name fixed? Thanks, michal > >>> >>> Regards, >>> Juan Hernandez >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Devel mailing list >>> Devel(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Devel@ovirt.org> >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel> > _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Devel@ovirt.org> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel>

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Juan Hernández <jhernand(a)redhat.com <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com>> wrote: On 05/30/2017 08:55 AM, Tomas Jelinek wrote: > > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Michal Skrivanek <mskrivan(a)redhat.com <mailto:mskrivan@redhat.com> > <mailto:mskrivan@redhat.com <mailto:mskrivan@redhat.com>>> wrote: > > > On 29 May 2017, at 11:44, Juan Hernández <jhernand(a)redhat.com <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com> <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com>>> wrote: > > > >> On 05/29/2017 11:27 AM, Michal Skrivanek wrote: > >> > >>> On 29 May 2017, at 10:39, Juan Hernández <jhernand(a)redhat.com <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com> > <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com <mailto:jhernand@redhat.com>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> It has been recently requested that the API provides event types: > >>> > >>> [RFE] Expose event types to API > >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1453170 <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1453170> > <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1453170 <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1453170>> > >>> > >>> Currently the API provides the event code and description, for > example: > >>> > >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> > >>> <code>19</code> > >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description > >>> ... > >>> </event> > >>> > >>> There is no documentation of what is the meaning of codes, > except the > >>> source code of the engine itself. This forces some applications > to add > >>> their own code to name mapping. For example, the 'ovirt' Ruby > gem used > >>> by older versions of ManageIQ to interact with oVirt contains > the following: > >>> > >>> > https://github.com/ManageIQ/ovirt/blob/v0.17.0/lib/ovirt/event.rb#L25-L485 <https://github.com/ManageIQ/ovirt/blob/v0.17.0/lib/ovirt/event.rb#L25-L48... > <https://github.com/ManageIQ/ovirt/blob/v0.17.0/lib/ovirt/event.rb#L25-L485 <https://github.com/ManageIQ/ovirt/blob/v0.17.0/lib/ovirt/event.rb#L25-L48... > >>> > >>> We could avoid this by adding to the API a new event attribute that > >>> indicates the type: > >>> > >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> > >>> <code>19</code> > >>> <type>host_recover_failure</type> > >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description> > >>> ... > >>> </event> > >>> > >>> Ideally this should be defined as an enum, so that it will be > >>> represented as an enum in the SDKs. Alternatively it could just > be an > >>> string, and we could reuse the 'name' attribute: > >>> > >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> > >>> <code>19</code> > >>> <name>host_recover_failure</name> > >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description> > >>> ... > >>> </event> > >>> > >>> However, the key point to making this useful would be to keep > the types > >>> (or names) backwards compatible, so that users of the API can > rely on > >>> their values and meanings. > >>> > >>> So this is my question to you: can we commit to keep the names and > >>> meanings of the backend event types backwards compatible? > >> > >> Do we even have to make it bw compatible? > >> I guess it depends on the actual usage of those names… > >> The ovirt ruby gem itself doesn’t do much with it > > > > We need to make keep it backwards compatible or else tell users "don't > > rely on these values, as they may change without notice". > > > > The 'ovirt' gem doesn't do anything special, it just creates its own > > code to name mapping. But the users of the 'ovirt' gem (the ManageIQ > > oVirt provider) do rely on the name. For example: > > > > > > https://github.com/ManageIQ/manageiq-providers-ovirt/blob/master/app/mode... <https://github.com/ManageIQ/manageiq-providers-ovirt/blob/master/app/mode... > <https://github.com/ManageIQ/manageiq-providers-ovirt/blob/master/app/mode... <https://github.com/ManageIQ/manageiq-providers-ovirt/blob/master/app/mode... > > > hmmm, while we are on topic, this pretty much looks like that manageiq > does not only rely on the code but also on the actual value of it since > it is parsing it: > > # sample message: "Interface nic1 (VirtIO) was added to VM v5. (User: > admin@internal-authz)" message.split(/\s/)[7][0...-1] > > Is this something we commit to maintain? Or should we commit to maintain it? > That is a good point, that isn't very future proof. We should also find a way to make less fragile. Any suggestion? The only doable thing which comes to my mind is something like this: The msg is defined like this: USER_ADD_VM_POOL_WITH_VMS_FAILED=Failed to create VM Pool ${VmPoolName} (User: ${UserName}). e.g. the msg type and the variables. If we could expose in the api not only the substituted msg but also the variable/value binding, we could commit to keep the variable names backward compatible. So, something like: <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> <code>19</code> <type>USER_ADD_VM_POOL_WITH_VMS_FAILED</type> <description>the substituted msg.</description> <parameters> <parameter> <key>VmPoolName</key> <value>The Pool Name<value> </parameter> ... </parameters> </event> Not really rock solid since the variables would still be defined in the AuditLogMessages.properties but still better and still easier to parse on the client side.

> > > > > That means that if we ever change the meaning of a code the ManageIQ > > provider, for example, will break. > > Right,then it indeed needs to stay stable. > But how is maintaining the enum string different from the code? It is > the same information, so if MIQ doesn't use the name directly then it > doesn't really matter if it's a code or string. > Perhaps deprecate the code and keep the name fixed? > > Thanks, > michal > > > > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Juan Hernandez > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Devel mailing list > >>> Devel(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Devel@ovirt.org> <mailto:Devel@ovirt.org <mailto:Devel@ovirt.org>> > >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel> > <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Devel@ovirt.org> <mailto:Devel@ovirt.org <mailto:Devel@ovirt.org>> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel> > <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel>> > >

> On 29 May 2017, at 11:44, Juan Hernández <jhernand(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> On 05/29/2017 11:27 AM, Michal Skrivanek wrote: >> >>> On 29 May 2017, at 10:39, Juan Hernández <jhernand(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> It has been recently requested that the API provides event types: >>> >>> [RFE] Expose event types to API >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1453170 >>> >>> Currently the API provides the event code and description, for example: >>> >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> >>> <code>19</code> >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description >>> ... >>> </event> >>> >>> There is no documentation of what is the meaning of codes, except the >>> source code of the engine itself. This forces some applications to add >>> their own code to name mapping. For example, the 'ovirt' Ruby gem used >>> by older versions of ManageIQ to interact with oVirt contains the following: >>> >>> https://github.com/ManageIQ/ovirt/blob/v0.17.0/lib/ovirt/event.rb#L25-L485 >>> >>> We could avoid this by adding to the API a new event attribute that >>> indicates the type: >>> >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> >>> <code>19</code> >>> <type>host_recover_failure</type> >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description> >>> ... >>> </event> >>> >>> Ideally this should be defined as an enum, so that it will be >>> represented as an enum in the SDKs. Alternatively it could just be an >>> string, and we could reuse the 'name' attribute: >>> >>> <event href="/ovirt-engine/api/events/8021" id="8021"> >>> <code>19</code> >>> <name>host_recover_failure</name> >>> <description>Host myhost failed to recover.</description> >>> ... >>> </event> >>> >>> However, the key point to making this useful would be to keep the types >>> (or names) backwards compatible, so that users of the API can rely on >>> their values and meanings. >>> >>> So this is my question to you: can we commit to keep the names and >>> meanings of the backend event types backwards compatible? >> >> Do we even have to make it bw compatible? >> I guess it depends on the actual usage of those names… >> The ovirt ruby gem itself doesn’t do much with it > > We need to make keep it backwards compatible or else tell users "don't > rely on these values, as they may change without notice". > > The 'ovirt' gem doesn't do anything special, it just creates its own > code to name mapping. But the users of the 'ovirt' gem (the ManageIQ > oVirt provider) do rely on the name. For example: > > > https://github.com/ManageIQ/manageiq-providers-ovirt/blob/master/app/mode... > > That means that if we ever change the meaning of a code the ManageIQ > provider, for example, will break. Right,then it indeed needs to stay stable. But how is maintaining the enum string different from the code? It is the same information, so if MIQ doesn't use the name directly then it doesn't really matter if it's a code or string.

Perhaps deprecate the code and keep the name fixed?