Re: [Kimchi-devel] Fwd: Proposal for moving functionality from Kimchi to Ginger

On 08/04/2015 04:56 AM, Walter Niklaus wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > sorry for missing the thread where this topic was discussed. > > I can fully understand the point about Basic Information and System > Statistics being relevant for Virtualization management as well and I > like the idea of potentially making it part of the base framework > because they would be very usefull for other plugins, like > Container-Management as well. > The interesting question is then if some of the other functions > wouldn't make sense to be part of the basic framework as well. Debug > reports would be a classical candidate from my point of view, but > wouldn't some of the other functions be usefull in the base as well ? If we're really going in that approach (putting basic features in WoK), I agree. We would have to discuss each existing feature and evaluate if it belongs to kimchi, ginger or wok.

> > Looking at the problem form a different angle: wouldn't it make sense > to package and deliver the base framework with the Ginger plugin by > default because the Host-functionality Ginger is offering would be > usefull for the other plugins like Virtualization and Containers ? > > What I missed in my previous mail is the aspect about platform > specific functionality. This functionality, like PPC firmware update > or IO-device management for Linux on z should be made available as > individual plugins. At this moment Ginger can handle multi-arch features fairly well. For example, Firmware Update does not appear when running the plug-in in an Intel computer. The feature you mentioned, IO-device management for Linux on Z, would be available only when running Ginger in a Linux for Z host. There's absolutely nothing holding you from making a brand new plug-in for the Z features instead of adding them to Ginger, but it is important to know that Ginger is designed for these scenarios. You can even create a new UI tab in Ginger, something like 'Z management' which would contain all Z related features. This tab would only appear in a Linux on Z host. From the UI perspective it looks like a brand new plug-in working together with Ginger common features in the 'Administration' tab. > > Please let me know what you think about this option. > > Thanks, > Walter. > > > On 03.08.2015 18:51, Daniel Henrique Barboza wrote: >> Hi Walter, >> >> We've had this discussion with the community a few months ago in the >> thread >> >> "[RFC] Moving some features of Host tab to Ginger" >> >> And we agreed to start it by moving only Software Update, >> Repositories and >> Debug Reports from Kimchi to Ginger. >> >> The Basic Information and System Statistics can't be taken away from >> Kimchi because there >> are relevant information for the creation of VMs there, such as >> Memory Available. But I agree >> that these information fits nicely in Ginger too. >> >> One alternative (just came in my head now) is to move these >> "neutral" functions >> to a "Basic System Info" in WoK. That way both Kimchi and Ginger >> users can access >> the information. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Daniel >> >> On 08/03/2015 12:15 PM, Walter Niklaus wrote: >>> >>> After separating out Kimchi as an indvidual plugin from the base >>> framework it would be great to have a clean separation between >>> Host- and >>> Virtualization Management functions. I'm planning to work on this >>> topic >>> in the next few weeks and have prepared a proposal of the >>> functionsplit. >>> Plugin functionality: >>> - Ginger: >>> - Basic Information >>> - System Statistics >>> - Network (Host NICs) >>> - Storage/SAN (Host Storage) >>> - User Management >>> - Configuration Backup >>> - Software Updates >>> - Repositories >>> - Debug Reports >>> - PPC related functions: Firmware Update & Power >>> Management >>> - Kimchi: >>> - Templates >>> - Guests >>> - Networks (virtual) >>> - Storage (Pools for VMs) >>> >>> Since there are plans to restructure the UI for one of the next >>> releases, I'm proposing to do only some minimal investments in >>> reflecting this new finctionsplit. Therefore I'm proposing to make the >>> Host tab as the one and only Tab for Ginger and move everything >>> from the >>> Administration Tab into the Host Tab. This would be just an >>> intermediate solution till we implement the new UI design. Please see >>> the attached PDF. >>> Thanks in advance for your feedback. >>> >>> Walter. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kimchi-devel mailing list >>> Kimchi-devel(a)ovirt.org >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/kimchi-devel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kimchi-devel mailing list >> Kimchi-devel(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/kimchi-devel >