[ovirt-users] Re: [ovirt-devel] Re: oVirt HCI point-to-point interconnection

Hi Yaniv, no, the final purpose is not to save a couple of ports. The benefit is the trend to convergence and consolidation of the networking, as already done for the storage. The external interconnection is a critical element of the HCI solution, a configuration without switches would give more soundness and more independence. If we think about HCI as the transition of IT infrastructure from hardware-defined to software-defined, the first step was virtualization of the servers, the second step was storage virtualization, the third step will be virtualization of networking. Of course this also has an economic benefit, reduce the total cost of ownership and traditional data-center inefficiencies. We suppose a very traditional and simple external uplink, we can use the interfaces integrated into the motherboard. This will not be critical for the integrity of the our HCI solution, this will not require broad bandwidth and low latency, this will be used exclusively to interconnect the solution with the outside world, then with a traditional ethernet switch. We suppose to give more attention to the point-to-point interconnection of the three nodes, using 100 or 200 GbE cards for direct interconnection without switches. The hypothetical purchase of these 3 cards will not be cheaper, sure, but it will be twenty times less than introducing expensive switches that will certainly have more ports than necessary. Thanks for your attention, Stefano. Stefano Zappa IT Specialist CAE - TT-3 Technical Department Industrie Saleri Italo S.p.A. Phone:+39 0308250480 Fax:+39 0308250466 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for ykaul(a)redhat.com, sabose(a)redhat.com, sbonazzo(a)redhat.com, devel(a)ovirt.org, users(a)ovirt.org. 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If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. ________________________________________ Da: Yaniv Kaul <ykaul(a)redhat.com&gt; Inviato: mercoledì 27 giugno 2018 16:20 A: Stefano Zappa Cc: Sahina Bose; Sandro Bonazzola; devel(a)ovirt.org; users(a)ovirt.org Oggetto: Re: [ovirt-devel] Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt HCI point-to-point interconnection On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 11:26 AM, Stefano Zappa <Stefano.Zappa@saleri.it<mailto:Stefano.Zappa@saleri.it>> wrote: The final purpose is strictly targeted to your HCI solution with 3-node gluster replication. Can you explain to me what the benefit is? You need a switch anyway (for uplink), so the 'cost saving' is that you can use a 4 port (?) switch and do not need 6 ports? Y. Stefano Zappa IT Specialist CAE - TT-3 Technical Department Industrie Saleri Italo S.p.A. 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Stefano Zappa therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. ________________________________________ Da: Sahina Bose <sabose@redhat.com<mailto:sabose@redhat.com>> Inviato: mercoledì 27 giugno 2018 10:15 A: Sandro Bonazzola Cc: Stefano Zappa; Simone Tiraboschi; users@ovirt.org<mailto:users@ovirt.org>; devel@ovirt.org<mailto:devel@ovirt.org> Oggetto: Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt HCI point-to-point interconnection The point to point interconnect is something we have not explored - I think this limits the solution from scaling out to more nodes. On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Sandro Bonazzola <sbonazzo@redhat.com<mailto:sbonazzo@redhat.com><mailto:sbonazzo@redhat.com<mailto:sbonazzo@redhat.com>>> wrote: Simone, Sahina, can you please have a look? 2018-06-07 9:59 GMT+02:00 Stefano Zappa <Stefano.Zappa@saleri.it<mailto:Stefano.Zappa@saleri.it><mailto:Stefano.Zappa@saleri.it<mailto:Stefano.Zappa@saleri.it>>>: Good morning, I would like to kindly ask you a question about the feasibility of defining a point-to-point interconnection between three ovirt nodes. Initially with the idea of optimizing the direct communications between the nodes and especially the gluster communications, and so it would seem quite easy, then evaluating a more complex configuration, assuming to create an overlay L2 network on the three L3 point-to-point, using techniques like geneve, of which at the moment I have no mastery. If the direct routing of three nodes to interconnect the public network with the private overlay network was not easily doable, we could leave the private overlay network isolated from the outside world and connect the VM hosted engine directly to the two networks with two adapters. This layout with direct interconnection of the nodes without switches and a shared L2 overlay network between the nodes may in future be contemplated in future releases of your HCI solution? Thank you for your attention, have a nice day! Stefano Zappa. [cid:609f1f14-f74e-489f-b86d-08647efc6d1c] Stefano Zappa IT Specialist CAE - TT-3 Industrie Saleri Italo S.p.A. 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