4:25 a.m.
Hi guys,
I have one nfs storage,
it's connected through host1.
host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since all
traffic goes through host1,
is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
Only glusterfs?
Thanks
6:21 a.m.
You can use FC storage where luns come from a redundant storage array.
On Apr 15, 2017 11:25, "Konstantin Raskoshnyi" <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi guys,
I have one nfs storage,
it's connected through host1.
host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since all
traffic goes through host1,
is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
Only glusterfs?
Thanks
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10:31 a.m.
Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
Fernando
2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
Hi guys,
I have one nfs storage,
it's connected through host1.
host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since all
traffic goes through host1,
is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
Only glusterfs?
Thanks
_______________________________________________
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Users(a)ovirt.org
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
11:42 a.m.
In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
If host goes down storage is not available.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
wrote:
Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
Fernando
2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
> Hi guys,
> I have one nfs storage,
> it's connected through host1.
> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>
> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since
> all traffic goes through host1,
> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>
> Only glusterfs?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
>
1:37 p.m.
Hello Konstantin.
That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single host.
From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
whatever
other Shared Storage you have.
Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the NFS
mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
Fernando
2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
If host goes down storage is not available.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
> specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
> won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
>
> Fernando
>
> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi guys,
>> I have one nfs storage,
>> it's connected through host1.
>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>>
>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since
>> all traffic goes through host1,
>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>
>> Only glusterfs?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>
>>
1:40 p.m.
I think he means SPM? I've seen when node with SPM goes down it isn't
really seamless and takes a minute or two to catch up unless of course you
out that node in maintenance mode but that isn't possible if it crashes or
something
On Apr 15, 2017 1:38 PM, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
wrote:
Hello Konstantin.
That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single host.
From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or whatever
other Shared Storage you have.
Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
Fernando
2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
> If host goes down storage is not available.
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
>> specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
>> won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>> it's connected through host1.
>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>>>
>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since
>>> all traffic goes through host1,
>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>
>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>>
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1:53 p.m.
Hi Fernando,
I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host to
which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
and all vms are down
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
Hello Konstantin.
That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single host.
From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or whatever
other Shared Storage you have.
Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
Fernando
2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
> If host goes down storage is not available.
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
>> specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
>> won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>> it's connected through host1.
>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>>>
>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since
>>> all traffic goes through host1,
>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>
>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>>
9:16 p.m.
When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform the
initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details are in
the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly. If the
first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will still
remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current SPM
host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Fernando,
I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host to
which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
and all vms are down
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
> Hello Konstantin.
>
> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
> NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>
> Fernando
>
> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>
>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
>>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
>>> specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
>>> won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
>>>
>>> Fernando
>>>
>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>>>>
>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since
>>>> all traffic goes through host1,
>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>
>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Users mailing list
>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>
>>>>
>
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7 a.m.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to
perform
the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
confirm
manually that the spm host was rebooted.
Nir
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hi Fernando,
> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host to
> which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
> and all vms are down
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Konstantin.
>>
>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
>> NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
>>>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of
>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same,
so
>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
>>>>
>>>> Fernando
>>>>
>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down,
>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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7:04 a.m.
On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to
perform
the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
confirm
manually that the spm host was rebooted.
In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's the
whole point of HA services
Nir
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hi Fernando,
> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host to
> which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
> and all vms are down
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Konstantin.
>>
>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
>> NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
>>>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of
>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same,
so
>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
>>>>
>>>> Fernando
>>>>
>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down,
>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Users(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
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7:29 a.m.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
> the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
> are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
> If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
> still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
> SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
> unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
>
There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
confirm
manually that the spm host was rebooted.
In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
the whole point of HA services
In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to start
the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
Nir
Nir
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Fernando,
>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host
>> to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
>> and all vms are down
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>
>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
>>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
>>> NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>
>>> Fernando
>>>
>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
>>>>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of
>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the
same, so
>>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going to other
type.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between
them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down,
>>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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12:44 p.m.
So what's the whole HA point then?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:29 AM Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
>> the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
>> are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
>> If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
>> still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
>> SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
>> unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
>>
>
> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
> confirm
> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>
>
> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
> the whole point of HA services
>
In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to start
the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
Nir
>
>
> Nir
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Fernando,
>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host
>>> to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
>>> and all vms are down
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>
>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>>>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
>>>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with
>>>> the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>
>>>> Fernando
>>>>
>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server
for
>>>>>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of
>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much
the same, so
>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going to other
type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between
them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is
down,
>>>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>>
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>
>
11:10 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
>> the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
>> are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
>> If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
>> still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
>> SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
>> unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
>>
>
> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
> confirm
> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>
>
> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
> the whole point of HA services
>
In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to start
the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation. where
an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced, other
hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
Nir
>
>
> Nir
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Fernando,
>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host
>>> to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
>>> and all vms are down
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>
>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>>>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
>>>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with
>>>> the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>
>>>> Fernando
>>>>
>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server
for
>>>>>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of
>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much
the same, so
>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going to other
type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between
them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is
down,
>>>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
>
>
11:13 p.m.
"Corner cases"?
I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
reistablished connection to the failed node.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
>>> the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
>>> are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
>>> If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
>>> still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
>>> SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
>>> unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
>>>
>>
>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm
>> host
>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
>> confirm
>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>
>>
>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
>> the whole point of HA services
>>
>
> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to
> start
> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>
There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation. where
an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced, other
hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>
> Nir
>
>
>>
>>
>> Nir
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host
>>>> to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes
unavailable
>>>> and all vms are down
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>
>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>>>>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array
or
>>>>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with
>>>>> the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage
server
>>>>>>> for running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type
of
>>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty
much the same, so
>>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going to
other type.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>> >:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms
between them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure
is down,
>>>>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Users mailing list
>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>
>>
>>
11:14 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
"Corner cases"?
I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
reistablished connection to the failed node.
Did you configure fencing?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to
>>>> perform the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined,
it's
>>>> details are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to
it
>>>> directly. If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all
other
>>>> hosts will still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if
>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the
DC.
>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no
>>>> outage.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm
>>> host
>>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
>>> confirm
>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>
>>>
>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
>>> the whole point of HA services
>>>
>>
>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to
>> start
>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>>
>
> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation. where
> an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced, other
> hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>
>
>>
>> Nir
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nir
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main
>>>>> host to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes
>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a
single
>>>>>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage
Array or
>>>>>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other
with
>>>>>> the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com
>>>>>> >:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage
server
>>>>>>>> for running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other
type of
>>>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty
much the same, so
>>>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going
to other type.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms
between
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all
infrastructure is down,
>>>>>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Users mailing list
>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>>
>>>
11:15 p.m.
Fence agent under each node?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Corner cases"?
> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>
Did you configure fencing?
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to
>>>>> perform the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined,
it's
>>>>> details are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected
to it
>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all
other
>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and
if
>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in
the DC.
>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is
no
>>>>> outage.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm
>>>> host
>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
>>>> confirm
>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that.
>>>> That's the whole point of HA services
>>>>
>>>
>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to
>>> start
>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>>>
>>
>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation.
>> where an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced,
>> other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Nir
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nir
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if
main
>>>>>> host to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage
becomes
>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on
a
>>>>>>> single host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS
Storage Array
>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the
other with
>>>>>>> the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific
host.
>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a
storage server
>>>>>>>>> for running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any
other type of
>>>>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is
pretty much the same, so
>>>>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than management
going to other type.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate
vms between
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all
infrastructure is down,
>>>>>>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant
storage?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Users mailing list
>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
11:18 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Fence agent under each node?
When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you need
to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing enabled,
how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service is
actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not, for
example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid ->
SBA ?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Corner cases"?
>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>
>
> Did you configure fencing?
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to
>>>>>> perform the initial storage operations, but once the SD is
defined, it's
>>>>>> details are in the engine database, and all the hosts get
connected to it
>>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to define the SD goes down,
all other
>>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service,
and if
>>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host
in the DC.
>>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there
is no
>>>>>> outage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the
spm
>>>>> host
>>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or
>>>>> you confirm
>>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that.
>>>>> That's the whole point of HA services
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to
>>>> start
>>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation.
>>> where an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced,
>>> other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nir
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nir
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if
main
>>>>>>> host to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage
becomes
>>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend
on a
>>>>>>>> single host. From what I know any host talk directly to
NFS Storage Array
>>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the
other
>>>>>>>> with the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific
host.
>>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI
<
>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a
storage server
>>>>>>>>>> for running NFS and make both hosts connect to
it.
>>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any
other type of
>>>>>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance
is pretty much the same, so
>>>>>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than
management going to other type.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<
>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily
migrate vms between
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all
infrastructure is
>>>>>>>>>>> down, since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant
storage?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
11:19 p.m.
Makes sense.
I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
Thanks!
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Fence agent under each node?
>
When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you
need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing
enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service
is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid
-> SBA ?
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Corner cases"?
>>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
>>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>>
>>
>> Did you configure fencing?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host
to
>>>>>>> perform the initial storage operations, but once the SD is
defined, it's
>>>>>>> details are in the engine database, and all the hosts get
connected to it
>>>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to define the SD goes
down, all other
>>>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA
service, and if
>>>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another
host in the DC.
>>>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down,
there is no
>>>>>>> outage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host,
the
>>>>>> spm host
>>>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again,
or
>>>>>> you confirm
>>>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that.
>>>>>> That's the whole point of HA services
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way
to
>>>>> start
>>>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation.
>>>> where an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets
fenced,
>>>> other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nir
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes,
if main
>>>>>>>> host to which I connected nfs storage going down the
storage becomes
>>>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster
depend on a
>>>>>>>>> single host. From what I know any host talk directly
to NFS Storage Array
>>>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects
the other
>>>>>>>>> with the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array
?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<
>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through
specific host.
>>>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI
<
>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and
dedicate a storage
>>>>>>>>>>> server for running NFS and make both hosts
connect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than
any other type of
>>>>>>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and
performance is pretty much the same, so
>>>>>>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than
management going to other type.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily
migrate vms between
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all
infrastructure is
>>>>>>>>>>>> down, since all traffic goes through
host1,
>>>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use
redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
11:21 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Makes sense.
I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
Thanks!
It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of course
the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an override
for the fence command, but it's manual
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Fence agent under each node?
>>
>
> When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you
> need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing
> enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service
> is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
> for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid
> -> SBA ?
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Corner cases"?
>>>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
>>>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did you configure fencing?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a
host to
>>>>>>>> perform the initial storage operations, but once the SD
is defined, it's
>>>>>>>> details are in the engine database, and all the hosts get
connected to it
>>>>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to define the SD
goes down, all other
>>>>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA
service, and if
>>>>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on
another host in the DC.
>>>>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS exporting host goes
down, there is no
>>>>>>>> outage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host,
the
>>>>>>> spm host
>>>>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online
again, or
>>>>>>> you confirm
>>>>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of
that.
>>>>>>> That's the whole point of HA services
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no
way
>>>>>> to start
>>>>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation.
>>>>> where an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets
fenced,
>>>>> other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<
>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but
yes, if main
>>>>>>>>> host to which I connected nfs storage going down the
storage becomes
>>>>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI
<
>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster
depend on a
>>>>>>>>>> single host. From what I know any host talk
directly to NFS Storage Array
>>>>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that
affects the other
>>>>>>>>>> with the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage
array ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<
>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through
specific host.
>>>>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO
FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and
dedicate a storage
>>>>>>>>>>>> server for running NFS and make both
hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage
than any other type of
>>>>>>>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and
performance is pretty much the same, so
>>>>>>>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than
management going to other type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can
easily migrate vms between
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down -
all infrastructure is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> down, since all traffic goes through
host1,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use
redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
11:29 p.m.
Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
Thank you for your help!
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Makes sense.
> I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
> We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
> Thanks!
>
>
It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of course
the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an override
for the fence command, but it's manual
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fence agent under each node?
>>>
>>
>> When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you
>> need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing
>> enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service
>> is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
>> for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid
>> -> SBA ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Corner cases"?
>>>>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
>>>>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you configure fencing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify
a host to
>>>>>>>>> perform the initial storage operations, but once the
SD is defined, it's
>>>>>>>>> details are in the engine database, and all the hosts
get connected to it
>>>>>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to define the SD
goes down, all other
>>>>>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and work. SPM is an
HA service, and if
>>>>>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on
another host in the DC.
>>>>>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS exporting host goes
down, there is no
>>>>>>>>> outage.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm
host, the
>>>>>>>> spm host
>>>>>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online
again, or
>>>>>>>> you confirm
>>>>>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care
of that.
>>>>>>>> That's the whole point of HA services
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is
no way
>>>>>>> to start
>>>>>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal
situation.
>>>>>> where an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it
gets fenced,
>>>>>> other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount,
but yes, if
>>>>>>>>>> main host to which I connected nfs storage going
down the storage becomes
>>>>>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO
FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole
cluster depend on a
>>>>>>>>>>> single host. From what I know any host talk
directly to NFS Storage Array
>>>>>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that
affects the other
>>>>>>>>>>> with the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS
Storage array ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage
through specific host.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not
available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO
FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1
and dedicate a storage
>>>>>>>>>>>>> server for running NFS and make both
hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to
manage than any other type
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of storage, specially FC and iSCSI
and performance is pretty much the same,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so you won`t get better results other
than management going to other type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's connected through
host1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I
can easily migrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vms between them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is
down - all infrastructure is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down, since all traffic goes
through host1,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use
redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
1:24 a.m.
But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I see this
2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM Init:
could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id: '1'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds is
non responsive, stopping spm selection.
So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch SPM
host?
Thanks
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
Thank you for your help!
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Makes sense.
>> I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
>> We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
> It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of course
> the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an override
> for the fence command, but it's manual
>
>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fence agent under each node?
>>>>
>>>
>>> When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you
>>> need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing
>>> enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service
>>> is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
>>> for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid
>>> -> SBA ?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Corner cases"?
>>>>>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
>>>>>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you configure fencing?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to
specify a host to
>>>>>>>>>> perform the initial storage operations, but once
the SD is defined, it's
>>>>>>>>>> details are in the engine database, and all the
hosts get connected to it
>>>>>>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to define
the SD goes down, all other
>>>>>>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and work. SPM
is an HA service, and if
>>>>>>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets started
on another host in the DC.
>>>>>>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS exporting host
goes down, there is no
>>>>>>>>>> outage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the
spm host, the
>>>>>>>>> spm host
>>>>>>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is
online again,
>>>>>>>>> or you confirm
>>>>>>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take
care of that.
>>>>>>>>> That's the whole point of HA services
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there
is no way
>>>>>>>> to start
>>>>>>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover
automatically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal
situation.
>>>>>>> where an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it
gets fenced,
>>>>>>> other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises
there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs
mount, but yes, if
>>>>>>>>>>> main host to which I connected nfs storage
going down the storage becomes
>>>>>>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO
FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole
cluster depend on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> single host. From what I know any host
talk directly to NFS Storage Array
>>>>>>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage you
have.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going down if
that affects the other
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS
Storage array ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage
through specific host.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not
available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM
FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through
host1 and dedicate a storage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server for running NFS and make
both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to
manage than any other type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of storage, specially FC and
iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so you won`t get better results
other than management going to other type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's connected through
host1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it,
I can easily migrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vms between them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is
down - all infrastructure is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down, since all traffic goes
through host1,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to
use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
9:06 a.m.
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down
I see this
[image: Screen Shot 2017-04-16 at 10.22.00 PM.png]
2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM Init:
could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id: '1'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds is
non responsive, stopping spm selection.
So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch SPM
host?
BMC?
If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
SPM host was rebooted.
Nir
Thanks
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
> Thank you for your help!
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Makes sense.
>>> I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
>>> We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>> It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of
>> course the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an
>> override for the fence command, but it's manual
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fence agent under each node?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where
you
>>>> need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have
fencing
>>>> enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a
service
>>>> is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and
not,
>>>> for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a
splitbraid
>>>> -> SBA ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Corner cases"?
>>>>>>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying
to
>>>>>>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you configure fencing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to
specify a host to
>>>>>>>>>>> perform the initial storage operations, but
once the SD is defined, it's
>>>>>>>>>>> details are in the engine database, and all
the hosts get connected to it
>>>>>>>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to
define the SD goes down, all other
>>>>>>>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and work.
SPM is an HA service, and if
>>>>>>>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets
started on another host in the DC.
>>>>>>>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS exporting
host goes down, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>> outage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown
the spm host,
>>>>>>>>>> the spm host
>>>>>>>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is
online again,
>>>>>>>>>> or you confirm
>>>>>>>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should
take care of that.
>>>>>>>>>> That's the whole point of HA services
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure,
there is no
>>>>>>>>> way to start
>>>>>>>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover
automatically.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal
>>>>>>>> situation. where an SPM host goes down because of a
hardware failure, it
>>>>>>>> gets fenced, other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No
surprises there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs
mount, but yes, if
>>>>>>>>>>>> main host to which I connected nfs
storage going down the storage becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO
FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a
whole cluster depend on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> single host. From what I know any
host talk directly to NFS Storage Array
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage you
have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going down
if that affects the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other with the NFS mounted directlly
in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach
storage through specific host.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is not
available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM
FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go through
host1 and dedicate a storage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server for running NFS and
make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier
to manage than any other type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of storage, specially FC and
iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so you won`t get better
results other than management going to other type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's connected
through host1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access to
it, I can easily migrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vms between them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if
host1 is down - all infrastructure is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down, since all traffic
goes through host1,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt
to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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Should I understand then that fecing is not mandatory, just advised and
there are no downtimes to the rest of the cluster if a pending manual
action has to be done to confirm a host has been rebooted in order to
move the SPM to another live host. Perhaps only effect is not be able to
add new hosts and connect to storage or something ?
Fernando
On 17/04/2017 10:06, Nir Soffer wrote:
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I
see this
Screen Shot 2017-04-16 at 10.22.00 PM.png
2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1]
SPM Init: could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG'
vds_spm_id: '1'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1]
SPM selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1]
spm vds is non responsive, stopping spm selection.
So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically
switch SPM host?
BMC?
If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
SPM host was rebooted.
Nir
Thanks
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
Thank you for your help!
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com
<mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
Makes sense.
I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our
staging hardware.
We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
Thanks!
It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly.
There's of course the "confirm host has been shutdown"
option, which serves as an override for the fence command,
but it's manual
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com <mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
Fence agent under each node?
When you configure a host, there's the power
management tab, where you need to enter the bmc
details for the host. If you don't have fencing
enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure
a host running a service is actually down (and it
is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
for example, just unreachable by the engine? How
do you avoid a splitbraid -> SBA ?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com <mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>>
wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM,
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
"Corner cases"?
I tried to simulate crash of SPM
server and ovirt kept trying to
reistablished connection to the failed
node.
Did you configure fencing?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan
Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com
<mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM,
Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com
<mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05
PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)redhat.com
<mailto:dyasny@redhat.com>> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM,
"Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com
<mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com>>
wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017
at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com
<mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>>
wrote:
When you set up a
storage domain,
you need to
specify a host to
perform the
initial storage
operations, but
once the SD is
defined, it's
details are in the
engine database,
and all the hosts
get connected to
it directly. If
the first host you
used to define the
SD goes down, all
other hosts will
still remain
connected and
work. SPM is an HA
service, and if
the current SPM
host goes down,
SPM gets started
on another host in
the DC. In short,
unless your actual
NFS exporting host
goes down, there
is no outage.
There is no storage
outage, but if you
shutdown the spm host,
the spm host
will not move to a new
host until the spm
host is online again,
or you confirm
manually that the spm
host was rebooted.
In a properly configured
setup the SBA should take
care of that. That's the
whole point of HA services
In some cases like power loss
or hardware failure, there is
no way to start
the spm host, and the system
cannot recover automatically.
There are always corner cases, no
doubt. But in a normal situation.
where an SPM host goes down
because of a hardware failure, it
gets fenced, other hosts contend
for SPM and start it. No surprises
there.
Nir
Nir
On Sat, Apr 15,
2017 at 1:53 PM,
Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Hi Fernando,
I see each
host has
direct
connection nfs
mount, but
yes, if main
host to which
I connected
nfs storage
going down the
storage
becomes
unavailable
and all vms
are down
On Sat, Apr
15, 2017 at
10:37 AM
FERNANDO
FREDIANI
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
wrote:
Hello
Konstantin.
That
doesn`t
make much
sense make
a whole
cluster
depend on
a single
host. From
what I
know any
host talk
directly
to NFS
Storage
Array or
whatever
other
Shared
Storage
you have.
Have you
tested
that host
going down
if that
affects
the other
with the
NFS
mounted
directlly
in a NFS
Storage
array ?
Fernando
2017-04-15
12:42
GMT-03:00
Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>:
In
ovirt
you
have
to
attach
storage
through
specific
host.
If
host
goes
down
storage
is not
available.
On
Sat,
Apr
15,
2017
at
7:31
AM
FERNANDO
FREDIANI
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
wrote:
Well,
make
it
not
go
through
host1
and
dedicate
a
storage
server
for
running
NFS
and
make
both
hosts
connect
to it.
In
my
view
NFS
is
much
easier
to
manage
than
any
other
type
of
storage,
specially
FC
and
iSCSI
and
performance
is
pretty
much
the
same,
so
you
won`t
get
better
results
other
than
management
going
to
other
type.
Fernando
2017-04-15
5:25
GMT-03:00
Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>:
Hi
guys,
I
have
one
nfs storage,
it's
connected
through
host1.
host2
also
has
access
to
it,
I
can
easily
migrate
vms between
them.
The
question
is
-
if
host1
is
down
-
all
infrastructure
is
down,
since
all
traffic
goes
through
host1,
is
there
any
way
in
oVirt
to
use
redundant
storage?
Only
glusterfs?
Thanks
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<p>Should I understand then that fecing is not mandatory, just
advised and there are no downtimes to the rest of the cluster if a
pending manual action has to be done to confirm a host has been
rebooted in order to move the SPM to another live host. Perhaps
only effect is not be able to add new hosts and connect to storage
or something ?</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/04/2017 10:06, Nir Soffer
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAMRbyyuHYKMZ_KuiS_DfYWC3na5PSUvV7iumm2c-FLFKmnnsEg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com">konrasko@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">But actually, it didn't work well. After
main
SPM host went down I see this
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class="" style="max-width: 100%;"></div>
<div><br>
2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM Init: could
not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG'
vds_spm_id: '1'<br>
</div>
<div>2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM selection -
vds seems as spm 'tank5'</div>
<div>2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds is non
responsive, stopping spm selection.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to
automatically switch SPM host?</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BMC?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to
fence it. Did you </div>
<div>configure power management for all hosts? did you check
that it </div>
<div>work? How did you simulate non-responsive host? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If power management is not configured or fail, the system
cannot</div>
<div>move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm
that the</div>
<div>SPM host was rebooted.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nir</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM,
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,</div>
<div>Thank you for your help!</div>
<div class="m_-7049131619673457077HOEnZb">
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<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Makes sense. </div>
<div>I was trying to set it up, but
doesn't work with our staging
hardware. </div>
<div>We have old ilo100, I'll try
again. </div>
<div>Thanks!
<div>
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</blockquote>
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</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>It is absolutely necessary for
any HA to work properly. There's of
course the "confirm host has been
shutdown" option, which serves as an
override for the fence command, but
it's manual</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
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<div> </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at
8:18 PM Dan Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at
11:15 PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Fence agent
under each node?</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>When you
configure a host,
there's the power
management tab,
where you need to
enter the bmc
details for the
host. If you don't
have fencing
enabled, how do
you expect the
system to make
sure a host
running a service
is actually down
(and it is safe to
start HA services
elsewhere), and
not, for example,
just unreachable
by the engine? How
do you avoid a
splitbraid ->
SBA ?</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 8:14 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 11:13
PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>"Corner
cases"? </div>
<div>I tried
to simulate
crash of SPM
server and
ovirt kept
trying to
reistablished
connection to
the failed
node. </div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>Did you
configure
fencing?</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 8:10 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 7:29
AM, Nir Soffer
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com"
target="_blank">nsoffer(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_quote"><span>
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 2:05 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@redhat.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Apr 16, 2017
7:01 AM, "Nir
Soffer" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com"
target="_blank">nsoffer(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br
type="attribution">
<blockquote
class="m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743m_362375030716496662m_-7954130722235415210m_2173925241577336935m_-6434846878319371191m_5622908635907641408m_8346864507156293354quote"
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<div>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
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class="m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743m_362375030716496662m_-7954130722235415210m_2173925241577336935m_-6434846878319371191m_5622908635907641408m_8346864507156293354quoted-text">
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 4:17 AM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>When you
set up a
storage
domain, you
need to
specify a host
to perform the
initial
storage
operations,
but once the
SD is defined,
it's details
are in the
engine
database, and
all the hosts
get connected
to it
directly. If
the first host
you used to
define the SD
goes down, all
other hosts
will still
remain
connected and
work. SPM is
an HA service,
and if the
current SPM
host goes
down, SPM gets
started on
another host
in the DC. In
short, unless
your actual
NFS exporting
host goes
down, there is
no outage. </div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>There is
no storage
outage, but if
you shutdown
the spm host,
the spm host</div>
<div>will not
move to a new
host until the
spm host is
online again,
or you confirm</div>
<div>manually
that the spm
host was
rebooted.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>In a
properly
configured
setup the SBA
should take
care of that.
That's the
whole point of
HA services </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>In some
cases like
power loss or
hardware
failure, there
is no way to
start</div>
<div>the spm
host, and the
system cannot
recover
automatically.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>There are
always corner
cases, no
doubt. But in
a normal
situation.
where an SPM
host goes down
because of a
hardware
failure, it
gets fenced,
other hosts
contend for
SPM and start
it. No
surprises
there. </div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div>
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<div>
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</font></span>
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<div>Nir</div>
</font>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sat, Apr 15,
2017 at 1:53
PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi
Fernando,</div>
<div>I see
each host has
direct
connection nfs
mount, but
yes, if main
host to which
I connected
nfs storage
going down the
storage
becomes
unavailable
and all vms
are down</div>
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<div>On Sat,
Apr 15, 2017
at 10:37 AM
FERNANDO
FREDIANI <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target="_blank">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hello
Konstantin.<br>
<br>
</div>
That doesn`t
make much
sense make a
whole cluster
depend on a
single host.
From what I
know any host
talk directly
to NFS Storage
Array or
whatever other
Shared Storage
you have.<br>
</div>
Have you
tested that
host going
down if that
affects the
other with the
NFS mounted
directlly in a
NFS Storage
array ?<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>Fernando<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">2017-04-15
12:42
GMT-03:00
Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>In ovirt
you have to
attach storage
through
specific
host. </div>
<div>If host
goes down
storage is not
available. </div>
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sat,
Apr 15, 2017
at 7:31 AM
FERNANDO
FREDIANI <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target="_blank">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>
<div>Well,
make it not go
through host1
and dedicate a
storage server
for running
NFS and make
both hosts
connect to it.<br>
</div>
In my view NFS
is much easier
to manage than
any other type
of storage,
specially FC
and iSCSI and
performance is
pretty much
the same, so
you won`t get
better results
other than
management
going to other
type.<br>
<br>
</div>
Fernando<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">2017-04-15
5:25 GMT-03:00
Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
</div>
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class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hi guys,
<div>I have
one
nfs storage,</div>
<div>it's
connected
through host1.</div>
<div>host2
also has
access to it,
I can easily
migrate
vms between
them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The
question is -
if host1 is
down - all
infrastructure
is down, since
all traffic
goes through
host1,</div>
<div>is there
any way in
oVirt to use
redundant
storage?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Only
glusterfs?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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10:28 a.m.
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:12 AM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
Should I understand then that fecing is not mandatory, just advised
and
there are no downtimes to the rest of the cluster if a pending manual
action has to be done to confirm a host has been rebooted in order to move
the SPM to another live host. Perhaps only effect is not be able to add new
hosts and connect to storage or something ?
A missing SPM will not affect existing VMs. Running VMs (on hosts other
than the SPM host) will continue to run normally and you can even start
existing VMs. Without an SPM you will not be able to manipulate the
storage (Add/remove domains, add/remove disks, migrate disks, etc).
Fernando
On 17/04/2017 10:06, Nir Soffer wrote:
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I see
> this
> [image: Screen Shot 2017-04-16 at 10.22.00 PM.png]
>
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
> Init: could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id:
'1'
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
> selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds
> is non responsive, stopping spm selection.
>
> So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch
> SPM host?
>
BMC?
If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
SPM host was rebooted.
Nir
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
>> Thank you for your help!
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Makes sense.
>>>> I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging
hardware.
>>>> We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of
>>> course the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as
an
>>> override for the fence command, but it's manual
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fence agent under each node?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When you configure a host, there's the power management tab,
where
>>>>> you need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have
fencing
>>>>> enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a
service
>>>>> is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and
not,
>>>>> for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a
splitbraid
>>>>> -> SBA ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Corner cases"?
>>>>>>>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept
trying to
>>>>>>>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you configure fencing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir
Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you
need to specify a host
>>>>>>>>>>>> to perform the initial storage
operations, but once the SD is defined, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> details are in the engine database, and
all the hosts get connected to it
>>>>>>>>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to
define the SD goes down, all other
>>>>>>>>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and
work. SPM is an HA service, and if
>>>>>>>>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets
started on another host in the DC.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS
exporting host goes down, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>> outage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you
shutdown the spm host,
>>>>>>>>>>> the spm host
>>>>>>>>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm
host is online again,
>>>>>>>>>>> or you confirm
>>>>>>>>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should
take care of
>>>>>>>>>>> that. That's the whole point of HA
services
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware
failure, there is no
>>>>>>>>>> way to start
>>>>>>>>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover
automatically.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a
normal
>>>>>>>>> situation. where an SPM host goes down because of a
hardware failure, it
>>>>>>>>> gets fenced, other hosts contend for SPM and start
it. No surprises there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM,
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection
nfs mount, but yes, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> main host to which I connected nfs
storage going down the storage becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM
FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make
a whole cluster depend on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single host. From what I know
any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage
you have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going
down if that affects the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other with the NFS mounted
directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach
storage through specific host.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is
not available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31
AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go
through host1 and dedicate a storage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server for running NFS
and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much
easier to manage than any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type of storage,
specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, so you won`t get
better results other than management going to other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs
storage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's connected
through host1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access
to it, I can easily migrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vms between them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if
host1 is down - all infrastructure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is down, since all
traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in
oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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Thanks for the clarification Adam.
That makes total sense.
Reagrds
Fernando
On 17/04/2017 11:28, Adam Litke wrote:
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:12 AM, FERNANDO FREDIANI
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> wrote:
Should I understand then that fecing is not mandatory, just
advised and there are no downtimes to the rest of the cluster if a
pending manual action has to be done to confirm a host has been
rebooted in order to move the SPM to another live host. Perhaps
only effect is not be able to add new hosts and connect to storage
or something ?
A missing SPM will not affect existing VMs. Running VMs (on hosts
other than the SPM host) will continue to run normally and you can
even start existing VMs. Without an SPM you will not be able to
manipulate the storage (Add/remove domains, add/remove disks, migrate
disks, etc).
Fernando
On 17/04/2017 10:06, Nir Soffer wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi
> <konrasko(a)gmail.com <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went
> down I see this
> Screen Shot 2017-04-16 at 10.22.00 PM.png
>
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
> [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM Init: could not
> find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id: '1'
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
> [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM selection - vds
> seems as spm 'tank5'
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
> [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds is non
> responsive, stopping spm selection.
>
> So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to
> automatically switch SPM host?
>
>
> BMC?
>
> If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it.
> Did you
> configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
> work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
>
> If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
> move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
> SPM host was rebooted.
>
> Nir
>
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi
> <konrasko(a)gmail.com <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
> Thank you for your help!
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny
> <dyasny(a)gmail.com <mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin
> Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Makes sense.
> I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with
> our staging hardware.
> We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
> Thanks!
>
>
> It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work
> properly. There's of course the "confirm host has
> been shutdown" option, which serves as an override
> for the fence command, but it's manual
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny
> <dyasny(a)gmail.com <mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin
> Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Fence agent under each node?
>
>
> When you configure a host, there's the power
> management tab, where you need to enter the
> bmc details for the host. If you don't have
> fencing enabled, how do you expect the system
> to make sure a host running a service is
> actually down (and it is safe to start HA
> services elsewhere), and not, for example,
> just unreachable by the engine? How do you
> avoid a splitbraid -> SBA ?
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny
> <dyasny(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM,
> Konstantin Raskoshnyi
> <konrasko(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> "Corner cases"?
> I tried to simulate crash of SPM
> server and ovirt kept trying to
> reistablished connection to the
> failed node.
>
>
> Did you configure fencing?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM
> Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29
> AM, Nir Soffer
> <nsoffer(a)redhat.com
> <mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com>>
> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at
> 2:05 PM Dan Yasny
> <dyasny(a)redhat.com
> <mailto:dyasny@redhat.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01
> AM, "Nir Soffer"
> <nsoffer(a)redhat.com
>
<mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com>>
> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16,
> 2017 at 4:17 AM
> Dan Yasny
> <dyasny(a)gmail.com
>
<mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> When you set
> up a storage
> domain, you
> need to
> specify a
> host to
> perform the
> initial
> storage
> operations,
> but once the
> SD is
> defined, it's
> details are
> in the engine
> database, and
> all the hosts
> get connected
> to it
> directly. If
> the first
> host you used
> to define the
> SD goes down,
> all other
> hosts will
> still remain
> connected and
> work. SPM is
> an HA
> service, and
> if the
> current SPM
> host goes
> down, SPM
> gets started
> on another
> host in the
> DC. In short,
> unless your
> actual NFS
> exporting
> host goes
> down, there
> is no outage.
>
>
> There is no
> storage outage,
> but if you
> shutdown the spm
> host, the spm host
> will not move to
> a new host until
> the spm host is
> online again, or
> you confirm
> manually that the
> spm host was
> rebooted.
>
>
> In a properly
> configured setup the
> SBA should take care
> of that. That's the
> whole point of HA
> services
>
>
> In some cases like power
> loss or hardware failure,
> there is no way to start
> the spm host, and the
> system cannot recover
> automatically.
>
>
> There are always corner
> cases, no doubt. But in a
> normal situation. where an
> SPM host goes down because of
> a hardware failure, it gets
> fenced, other hosts contend
> for SPM and start it. No
> surprises there.
>
>
> Nir
>
>
>
> Nir
>
>
> On Sat, Apr
> 15, 2017 at
> 1:53 PM,
> Konstantin
> Raskoshnyi
> <konrasko(a)gmail.com
>
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Fernando,
> I see
> each host
> has
> direct
> connection
> nfs
> mount,
> but yes,
> if main
> host to
> which I
> connected
> nfs
> storage
> going
> down the
> storage
> becomes
> unavailable
> and all
> vms are down
>
>
> On Sat,
> Apr 15,
> 2017 at
> 10:37 AM
> FERNANDO
> FREDIANI
>
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
>
<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hello
> Konstantin.
>
> That
> doesn`t
> make
> much
> sense
> make
> a
> whole
> cluster
> depend
> on a
> single
> host.
> From
> what
> I
> know
> any
> host
> talk
> directly
> to
> NFS
> Storage
> Array
> or
> whatever
> other
> Shared
> Storage
> you have.
> Have
> you
> tested
> that
> host
> going
> down
> if
> that
> affects
> the
> other
> with
> the
> NFS
> mounted
> directlly
> in a
> NFS
> Storage
> array ?
>
> Fernando
>
> 2017-04-15
> 12:42
> GMT-03:00
> Konstantin
> Raskoshnyi
>
<konrasko(a)gmail.com
>
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>:
>
> In
> ovirt
> you
> have
> to
> attach
> storage
> through
> specific
> host.
>
> If
> host
> goes
> down
> storage
> is
> not
> available.
>
>
> On
> Sat,
> Apr
> 15,
> 2017
> at
> 7:31
> AM
> FERNANDO
> FREDIANI
>
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
>
<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Well,
> make
> it
> not
> go
> through
> host1
> and
> dedicate
> a
> storage
> server
> for
> running
> NFS
> and
> make
> both
> hosts
> connect
> to
> it.
> In
> my
> view
> NFS
> is
> much
> easier
> to
> manage
> than
> any
> other
> type
> of
> storage,
> specially
> FC
> and
> iSCSI
> and
> performance
> is
> pretty
> much
> the
> same,
> so
> you
> won`t
> get
> better
> results
> other
> than
> management
> going
> to
> other
> type.
>
> Fernando
>
> 2017-04-15
> 5:25
> GMT-03:00
> Konstantin
> Raskoshnyi
>
<konrasko(a)gmail.com
>
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>:
>
> Hi
> guys,
>
> I
> have
> one
> nfs
storage,
> it's
>
connected
> through
> host1.
> host2
> also
> has
> access
> to
> it,
> I
> can
> easily
> migrate
> vms
between
> them.
>
> The
> question
> is
> -
> if
> host1
> is
> down
> -
> all
>
infrastructure
> is
> down,
> since
> all
> traffic
> goes
> through
> host1,
> is
> there
> any
> way
> in
> oVirt
> to
> use
>
redundant
> storage?
>
> Only
>
glusterfs?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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<p>Thanks for the clarification Adam.</p>
<p>That makes total sense.</p>
<p>Reagrds<br>
Fernando<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/04/2017 11:28, Adam Litke
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAG8F9UE5HVYeY0iwQ+1cJmaMHDx0nLnZywrJayGq8WBdTDV+Ew@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:12 AM,
FERNANDO FREDIANI <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target="_blank">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p>Should I understand then that fecing is not
mandatory, just advised and there are no downtimes to
the rest of the cluster if a pending manual action has
to be done to confirm a host has been rebooted in
order to move the SPM to another live host. Perhaps
only effect is not be able to add new hosts and
connect to storage or something ?</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>A missing SPM will not affect existing VMs. Running
VMs (on hosts other than the SPM host) will continue to
run normally and you can even start existing VMs. Without
an SPM you will not be able to manipulate the storage
(Add/remove domains, add/remove disks, migrate disks,
etc).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span
class="HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888">
<p>Fernando<br>
</p>
</font></span>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<div class="m_7118500493255933245moz-cite-prefix">On
17/04/2017 10:06, Nir Soffer wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">But actually, it didn't
work
well. After main SPM host went down I see
this
<div><img
src="cid:part3.327B103E.0FE862E1@upx.com"
alt="Screen Shot 2017-04-16 at
10.22.00 PM.png"
style="max-width:100%"></div>
<div><br>
2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
[org.ovirt.engine.core.<wbr>vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-<wbr>03a970dbbec1]
SPM Init: could not find reported vds or
not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id:
'1'<br>
</div>
<div>2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
[org.ovirt.engine.core.<wbr>vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-<wbr>03a970dbbec1]
SPM selection - vds seems as spm
'tank5'</div>
<div>2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.<wbr>vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-<wbr>03a970dbbec1]
spm vds is non responsive, stopping spm
selection.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So that means only if BMC is up it's
possible to automatically switch SPM
host?</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BMC?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If your SPM is no responsive, the system
will try to fence it. Did you </div>
<div>configure power management for all hosts?
did you check that it </div>
<div>work? How did you simulate non-responsive
host? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If power management is not configured or
fail, the system cannot</div>
<div>move the spm to another host, unless you
manually confirm that the</div>
<div>SPM host was rebooted.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nir</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Oh, fence agent works fine if I
select ilo4,</div>
<div>Thank you for your help!</div>
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077HOEnZb">
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077h5">
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at
8:22 PM Dan Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at
11:19 PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Makes sense. </div>
<div>I was trying to
set it up, but
doesn't work with
our staging
hardware. </div>
<div>We have old
ilo100, I'll try
again. </div>
<div>Thanks!
<div>
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886h5"><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>It is absolutely
necessary for any HA
to work properly.
There's of course
the "confirm host
has been shutdown"
option, which serves
as an override for
the fence command,
but it's manual</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886h5">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 8:18 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 11:15
PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Fence
agent under
each node?</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>When you
configure a
host, there's
the power
management
tab, where you
need to enter
the bmc
details for
the host. If
you don't have
fencing
enabled, how
do you expect
the system to
make sure a
host running a
service is
actually down
(and it is
safe to start
HA services
elsewhere),
and not, for
example, just
unreachable by
the engine?
How do you
avoid a
splitbraid
-> SBA ?</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743HOEnZb">
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743h5">
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 8:14 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 11:13
PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>"Corner
cases"? </div>
<div>I tried
to simulate
crash of SPM
server and
ovirt kept
trying to
reistablished
connection to
the failed
node. </div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>Did you
configure
fencing?</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743m_362375030716496662m_-7954130722235415210HOEnZb">
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743m_362375030716496662m_-7954130722235415210h5">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 8:10 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 7:29
AM, Nir Soffer
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com"
target="_blank">nsoffer(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_quote"><span>
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 2:05 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@redhat.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Apr 16, 2017
7:01 AM, "Nir
Soffer" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com"
target="_blank">nsoffer(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br
type="attribution">
<blockquote
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743m_362375030716496662m_-7954130722235415210m_2173925241577336935m_-6434846878319371191m_5622908635907641408m_8346864507156293354quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743m_362375030716496662m_-7954130722235415210m_2173925241577336935m_-6434846878319371191m_5622908635907641408m_8346864507156293354quoted-text">
<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 4:17 AM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>When you
set up a
storage
domain, you
need to
specify a host
to perform the
initial
storage
operations,
but once the
SD is defined,
it's details
are in the
engine
database, and
all the hosts
get connected
to it
directly. If
the first host
you used to
define the SD
goes down, all
other hosts
will still
remain
connected and
work. SPM is
an HA service,
and if the
current SPM
host goes
down, SPM gets
started on
another host
in the DC. In
short, unless
your actual
NFS exporting
host goes
down, there is
no outage. </div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>There is
no storage
outage, but if
you shutdown
the spm host,
the spm host</div>
<div>will not
move to a new
host until the
spm host is
online again,
or you confirm</div>
<div>manually
that the spm
host was
rebooted.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>In a
properly
configured
setup the SBA
should take
care of that.
That's the
whole point of
HA services </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>In some
cases like
power loss or
hardware
failure, there
is no way to
start</div>
<div>the spm
host, and the
system cannot
recover
automatically.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>There are
always corner
cases, no
doubt. But in
a normal
situation.
where an SPM
host goes down
because of a
hardware
failure, it
gets fenced,
other hosts
contend for
SPM and start
it. No
surprises
there. </div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="gmail_quote"><span
class="m_7118500493255933245m_-7049131619673457077m_-3447473577979970513m_1774108031932592886m_3846525510791616528m_1120357608056684743m_362375030716496662m_-7954130722235415210m_2173925241577336935m_-6434846878319371191HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nir</div>
</font></span>
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2017 at 1:53
PM, Konstantin
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Fernando,</div>
<div>I see
each host has
direct
connection nfs
mount, but
yes, if main
host to which
I connected
nfs storage
going down the
storage
becomes
unavailable
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Apr 15, 2017
at 10:37 AM
FERNANDO
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<div>Hello
Konstantin.<br>
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That doesn`t
make much
sense make a
whole cluster
depend on a
single host.
From what I
know any host
talk directly
to NFS Storage
Array or
whatever other
Shared Storage
you have.<br>
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Have you
tested that
host going
down if that
affects the
other with the
NFS mounted
directlly in a
NFS Storage
array ?<br>
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12:42
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Konstantin
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you have to
attach storage
through
specific
host. </div>
<div>If host
goes down
storage is not
available. </div>
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Apr 15, 2017
at 7:31 AM
FERNANDO
FREDIANI <<a
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<div>Well,
make it not go
through host1
and dedicate a
storage server
for running
NFS and make
both hosts
connect to it.<br>
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In my view NFS
is much easier
to manage than
any other type
of storage,
specially FC
and iSCSI and
performance is
pretty much
the same, so
you won`t get
better results
other than
management
going to other
type.<br>
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5:25 GMT-03:00
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<div>Hi guys,
<div>I have
one
nfs storage,</div>
<div>it's
connected
through host1.</div>
<div>host2
also has
access to it,
I can easily
migrate
vms between
them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The
question is -
if host1 is
down - all
infrastructure
is down, since
all traffic
goes through
host1,</div>
<div>is there
any way in
oVirt to use
redundant
storage?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Only
glusterfs?</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com> wrote:
Nir,
Isn’t SPM managed via Sanlock? I believe there is no need to fence SPM
host. Especially if there are no SPM tasks running.
It's true that the exclusivity of the SPM role is enforced by Sanlock but
you always need to fence a non-responsive SPM because there is no way to
guarantee that the host is not still manipulating storage (eg. LV
extensions) and we must ensure that only one host has the masterfs on the
master storage domain mounted.
*From: *<users-bounces(a)ovirt.org> on behalf of Nir Soffer <
nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
*Date: *Monday, 17 April 2017 at 16:06
*To: *Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>, Dan Yasny <
dyasny(a)gmail.com>
*Cc: *users <users(a)ovirt.org>, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
*Subject: *Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I see
this
2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
Init: could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id:
'1'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds
is non responsive, stopping spm selection.
So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch SPM
host?
BMC?
If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
SPM host was rebooted.
Nir
Thanks
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
Thank you for your help!
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Makes sense.
I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
Thanks!
It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of course
the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an override
for the fence command, but it's manual
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Fence agent under each node?
When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you
need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing
enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service
is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid
-> SBA ?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
"Corner cases"?
I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
reistablished connection to the failed node.
Did you configure fencing?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
confirm
manually that the spm host was rebooted.
In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
the whole point of HA services
In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to start
the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation. where
an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced, other
hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
Nir
Nir
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Fernando,
I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host to
which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
and all vms are down
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
Hello Konstantin.
That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single host.
From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or whatever
other Shared Storage you have.
Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
Fernando
2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
If host goes down storage is not available.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
Fernando
2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
Hi guys,
I have one nfs storage,
it's connected through host1.
host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since all
traffic goes through host1,
is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
Only glusterfs?
Thanks
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11:54 a.m.
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com> wrote:
Adam,
You know, Sanlock has recovery mechanism that kills VDSM, or even triggers
Watchdog to reboot SPM host in case it has lost the SPM lock.
I’m asking because I had issues with my master storage that caused SPM
host to reboot by Watchdog. And I was sure that it’s an intended behaviour.
Isn’t it?
Yes of course. But an SPM host can fail but still maintain its connection
to the storage lease. In this case still you need classic fencing.
Something new we are investigating is the use of sanlock's request feature
which allows a new host to take the lease away from the current holder.
The current holder would be fenced by sanlock (watchdog if necessary) and
only once the lease is free would it be granted to the new requester.
*From: *Adam Litke <alitke(a)redhat.com>
*Date: *Monday, 17 April 2017 at 17:32
*To: *Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com>
*Cc: *Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>, users <users(a)ovirt.org>
*Subject: *Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com> wrote:
Nir,
Isn’t SPM managed via Sanlock? I believe there is no need to fence SPM
host. Especially if there are no SPM tasks running.
It's true that the exclusivity of the SPM role is enforced by Sanlock but
you always need to fence a non-responsive SPM because there is no way to
guarantee that the host is not still manipulating storage (eg. LV
extensions) and we must ensure that only one host has the masterfs on the
master storage domain mounted.
*From: *<users-bounces(a)ovirt.org> on behalf of Nir Soffer <
nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
*Date: *Monday, 17 April 2017 at 16:06
*To: *Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>, Dan Yasny <
dyasny(a)gmail.com>
*Cc: *users <users(a)ovirt.org>, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
*Subject: *Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I see
this
2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
Init: could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id:
'1'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds
is non responsive, stopping spm selection.
So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch SPM
host?
BMC?
If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
SPM host was rebooted.
Nir
Thanks
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
Thank you for your help!
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Makes sense.
I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
Thanks!
It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of course
the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an override
for the fence command, but it's manual
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Fence agent under each node?
When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you
need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing
enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service
is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid
-> SBA ?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
"Corner cases"?
I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
reistablished connection to the failed node.
Did you configure fencing?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
confirm
manually that the spm host was rebooted.
In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
the whole point of HA services
In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to start
the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation. where
an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced, other
hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
Nir
Nir
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Fernando,
I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host to
which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
and all vms are down
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
Hello Konstantin.
That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single host.
From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or whatever
other Shared Storage you have.
Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
Fernando
2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
If host goes down storage is not available.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
Fernando
2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
Hi guys,
I have one nfs storage,
it's connected through host1.
host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since all
traffic goes through host1,
is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
Only glusterfs?
Thanks
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:54 PM Adam Litke <alitke(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Pavel Gashev
<Pax(a)acronis.com> wrote:
> Adam,
>
>
>
> You know, Sanlock has recovery mechanism that kills VDSM, or even
> triggers Watchdog to reboot SPM host in case it has lost the SPM lock.
>
> I’m asking because I had issues with my master storage that caused SPM
> host to reboot by Watchdog. And I was sure that it’s an intended behaviour.
> Isn’t it?
>
Yes of course. But an SPM host can fail but still maintain its connection
to the storage lease. In this case still you need classic fencing.
Something new we are investigating is the use of sanlock's request feature
which allows a new host to take the lease away from the current holder.
The current holder would be fenced by sanlock (watchdog if necessary) and
only once the lease is free would it be granted to the new requester.
We can use the SPM lease to kill vdsm on the non-responsive SPM host,
and start the SPM on another host, similar to the way we handle vms with
a lease.
But this does not help with the masterfs mounted on the SPM host. if vdsm
is killed before it unmount it, strating the SPM on another host (and
mounting
the msasterfs on the new host) will corrupt the masterfs.
When using file based storage (nfs, glusterfs) we don't have a masterfs so
killing vdsm on the SPM should be good enough to start the SPM on another
host, even if fencing is not possible.
We can start with enabling sanlock based SPM fencing on file based storage.
Nir
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Adam Litke <alitke(a)redhat.com>
> *Date: *Monday, 17 April 2017 at 17:32
> *To: *Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com>
> *Cc: *Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>, users <users(a)ovirt.org>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com> wrote:
>
> Nir,
>
>
>
> Isn’t SPM managed via Sanlock? I believe there is no need to fence SPM
> host. Especially if there are no SPM tasks running.
>
>
>
> It's true that the exclusivity of the SPM role is enforced by Sanlock but
> you always need to fence a non-responsive SPM because there is no way to
> guarantee that the host is not still manipulating storage (eg. LV
> extensions) and we must ensure that only one host has the masterfs on the
> master storage domain mounted.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *<users-bounces(a)ovirt.org> on behalf of Nir Soffer <
> nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
> *Date: *Monday, 17 April 2017 at 16:06
> *To: *Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>, Dan Yasny <
> dyasny(a)gmail.com>
> *Cc: *users <users(a)ovirt.org>, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I see
> this
>
>
>
>
>
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM Init:
> could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id: '1'
>
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
> selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
>
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds is
> non responsive, stopping spm selection.
>
>
>
> So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch
> SPM host?
>
>
>
> BMC?
>
>
>
> If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
>
> configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
>
> work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
>
>
>
> If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
>
> move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
>
> SPM host was rebooted.
>
>
>
> Nir
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Makes sense.
>
> I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
>
> We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
> It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of course
> the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an override
> for the fence command, but it's manual
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fence agent under each node?
>
>
>
> When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you
> need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing
> enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service
> is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
> for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid
> -> SBA ?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Corner cases"?
>
> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>
>
>
> Did you configure fencing?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
> the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
> are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
> If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
> still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
> SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
> unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
>
>
>
> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
>
> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
> confirm
>
> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>
>
>
> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
> the whole point of HA services
>
>
>
> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to
> start
>
> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>
>
>
> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation. where
> an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced, other
> hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>
>
>
>
>
> Nir
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nir
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Fernando,
>
> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host to
> which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
> and all vms are down
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Konstantin.
>
> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>
> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
> NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>
> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>
> If host goes down storage is not available.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>
> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>
> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
> specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
> won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I have one nfs storage,
>
> it's connected through host1.
>
> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>
>
>
> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since
> all traffic goes through host1,
>
> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>
>
>
> Only glusterfs?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
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Nir,
A process can chdir into mount point and then lazy umount it. Filesystem re=
mains mounted while the process exists and current directory is on mounted =
filesystem.
# struncate -s 1g masterfs.img
# mkfs.ext4 masterfs.img
# mkdir masterfs
# mount -o loop masterfs.img masterfs
# cd masterfs
# umount -l .
# touch file
# ls
# cd ..
# ls masterfs
________________________________
From: Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com Sent: Apr
17, 2017 8:40 PM
To: Adam Litke; Pavel Gashev
Cc: users
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:54 PM Adam Litke <alitke@redhat.com<mailto:alitke=
@redhat.com>> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Pavel Gashev <Pax@acronis.com<mailto:Pax@=
acronis.com>> wrote:
Adam,
You know, Sanlock has recovery mechanism that kills VDSM, or even triggers =
Watchdog to reboot SPM host in case it has lost the SPM lock.
I=92m asking because I had issues with my master storage that caused SPM ho=
st to reboot by Watchdog. And I was sure that it=92s an intended behaviour.=
Isn=92t it?
Yes of course. But an SPM host can fail but still maintain its connection =
to the storage lease. In this case still you need classic fencing.
Something new we are investigating is the use of sanlock's request feature =
which allows a new host to take the lease away from the current holder. Th=
e current holder would be fenced by sanlock (watchdog if necessary) and onl=
y once the lease is free would it be granted to the new requester.
We can use the SPM lease to kill vdsm on the non-responsive SPM host,
and start the SPM on another host, similar to the way we handle vms with
a lease.
But this does not help with the masterfs mounted on the SPM host. if vdsm
is killed before it unmount it, strating the SPM on another host (and mount=
ing
the msasterfs on the new host) will corrupt the masterfs.
When using file based storage (nfs, glusterfs) we don't have a masterfs so
killing vdsm on the SPM should be good enough to start the SPM on another
host, even if fencing is not possible.
We can start with enabling sanlock based SPM fencing on file based storage.
Nir
From: Adam Litke <alitke@redhat.com<mailto:alitke@redhat.com> Date: Monday, 17 April 2017 at 17:32
To: Pavel Gashev <Pax@acronis.com<mailto:Pax@acronis.com> Cc: Nir Soffer
<nsoffer@redhat.com<mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com>>, users <user=
s@ovirt.org<mailto:users@ovirt.org>
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Pavel Gashev <Pax@acronis.com<mailto:Pax@a=
cronis.com>> wrote:
Nir,
Isn=92t SPM managed via Sanlock? I believe there is no need to fence SPM ho=
st. Especially if there are no SPM tasks running.
It's true that the exclusivity of the SPM role is enforced by Sanlock but y=
ou always need to fence a non-responsive SPM because there is no way to gua=
rantee that the host is not still manipulating storage (eg. LV extensions) =
and we must ensure that only one host has the masterfs on the master storag=
e domain mounted.
From: <users-bounces@ovirt.org<mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org>> on behalf o=
f Nir Soffer <nsoffer@redhat.com<mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com> Date: Monday, 17 April 2017 at 16:06
To: Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko@gmail.com<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>, =
Dan Yasny <dyasny@gmail.com<mailto:dyasny@gmail.com> Cc: users
<users@ovirt.org<mailto:users@ovirt.org>>, FERNANDO FREDIANI <fer=
nando.frediani@upx.com<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com<m=
ailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I see this
2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.I=
rsProxy] (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] S=
PM Init: could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id: '1=
'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.I=
rsProxy] (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] S=
PM selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.I=
rsProxy] (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] s=
pm vds is non responsive, stopping spm selection.
So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch SPM =
host?
BMC?
If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
SPM host was rebooted.
Nir
Thanks
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com<=
mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
Thank you for your help!
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny@gmail.com<mailto:dyasny@g=
mail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com=
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
Makes sense.
I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
Thanks!
It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of course t=
he "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an override for=
the fence command, but it's manual
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny@gmail.com<mailto:dyasny@g=
mail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com=
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
Fence agent under each node?
When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you need=
to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing enabled, =
how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service is actua=
lly down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not, for exam=
ple, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid -> SBA ?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny@gmail.com<mailto:dyasny@g=
mail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com=
<mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
"Corner cases"?
I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to reistablis=
hed connection to the failed node.
Did you configure fencing?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny@gmail.com<mailto:dyasny@g=
mail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer@redhat.com<mailto:nsof=
fer(a)redhat.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny@redhat.com<mailto:dyasny@=
redhat.com>> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<nsoffer@redhat.com<mailto:nsoffer@re=
dhat.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny@gmail.com<mailto:dyasny@g=
mail.com>> wrote:
When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform the=
initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details are i=
n the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly. If t=
he first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will sti=
ll remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current SPM =
host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short, unles=
s your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you conf=
irm
manually that the spm host was rebooted.
In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's the=
whole point of HA services
In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to start
the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation. where a=
n SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced, other h=
osts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
Nir
Nir
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com<=
mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Fernando,
I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host to w=
hich I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable and=
all vms are down
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.c=
om<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> wrote:
Hello Konstantin.
That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single host. =
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2017 8:40 PM<br <b>To:</b> Adam Litke;
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</div </div </div <div
dir=3D"ltr" <div
class=3D"gmail_extra" <div
class=3D"gmail_quote" <div>Yes of course.
But an SPM host can fail but still maintain its c=
onnection to the storage lease. In this case still you need classic f=
encing.<br <br Something
new we are investigating is the use of sanlock's request feature =
which allows a new host to take the lease away from the current holder.&nbs=
p; The current holder would be fenced by sanlock (watchdog if necessary) an=
d only once the lease is free would it
be granted to the new requester. <br
</div </div </div
</div </blockquote <div><br
</div <div>We can use the SPM lease
to kill vdsm on the non-responsive SPM host,<=
/div <div>and start the SPM on another host, similar to the
way we handle vms wi=
th</div <div>a lease.</div <div><br
</div <div>But this does not help
with the masterfs mounted on the SPM host. if v=
dsm</div <div>is killed before it
unmount it, strating the SPM on another host (and =
mounting</div <div>the msasterfs on the new
host) will corrupt the masterfs.</div
<div><br </div <div>When using file based storage (nfs, glusterfs) we
don't have a masterf=
s so</div <div>killing vdsm on the SPM
should be good enough to start the SPM on anot=
her</div <div>host, even if fencing is
not possible.</div <div><br </div
<div>We can start with enabling sanlock based SPM fencing on file based sto=
rage.</div <div><br </div
<div>Nir</div <div> </div <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex" <div
dir=3D"ltr" <div
class=3D"gmail_extra" <div
class=3D"gmail_quote" <div></div </div
</div </div <div dir=3D"ltr" <div
class=3D"gmail_extra" <div
class=3D"gmail_quote" <div> </div <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex" <div
bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-GB" <div
class=3D"m_1785069678384749853m_-3628883287347250028WordSection1" <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri=
"><u></u><u></u></span></p <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri=
"><u></u> <u></u></span></p <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri=
"><u></u> <u></u></span></p <div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #b5c4df
1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0c=
m 0cm 0cm" <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;
color:black">=
From: </span </b><span
style=3D"font-family:Calibri; color:black">Adam Litke <<a href=
=3D"mailto:alitke@redhat.com"
target=3D"_blank">alitke(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;<b=
r <b>Date: </b>Monday, 17 April 2017 at
17:32<br <b>To: </b>Pavel Gashev
<<a href=3D"mailto:Pax@acronis.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">Pax(a)acronis.com</a>&gt;<br
<b>Cc: </b>Nir Soffer <<a
href=3D"mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com" target=3D"_=
blank">nsoffer(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;, users <<a
href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.=
org"
target=3D"_blank">users(a)ovirt.org</a>&gt;</span></p <div <div
class=3D"m_1785069678384749853h5"><br
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in
Ovirt<u></u><u></u>=
</div </div <p></p
</div <div <div
class=3D"m_1785069678384749853h5"
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Pavel Gashev
<<a=
href=3D"mailto:Pax@acronis.com"
target=3D"_blank">Pax(a)acronis.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-right:0cm"
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri=
">Nir,</span><u></u><u></u></p <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri=
"> </span><u></u><u></u></p <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri=
">Isn=92t SPM managed via Sanlock? I believe there is no need to fence SPM =
host. Especially if there are no SPM tasks
running.</span><u></u><u></u></p=
</div
</div </blockquote <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">It's true that the exclusivity of the SPM role is
en=
forced by Sanlock but you always need to fence a non-responsive SPM because=
there is no way to guarantee that the host is not still manipulating stora=
ge (eg. LV extensions) and we must
ensure that only one host has the masterfs on the master storage domain mo=
unted.<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-right:0cm"
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri=
"> </span><u></u><u></u></p <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri=
"> </span><u></u><u></u></p <div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #b5c4df
1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0c=
m 0cm 0cm" <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;
color:black">=
From: </span </b><span
style=3D"font-family:Calibri; color:black"><<a
href=3D"mailto:=
users-bounces(a)ovirt.org"
target=3D"_blank">users-bounces(a)ovirt.org</a>&gt; =
on behalf of Nir Soffer <<a href=3D"mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com"
target=3D=
"_blank">nsoffer(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;<br <b>Date: </b>Monday, 17 April 2017 at
16:06<br <b>To: </b>Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;, Dan Yasny
<<a href=3D"mail=
to:dyasny@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt;<br <b>Cc: </b>users <<a
href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank">u=
sers(a)ovirt.org</a>&gt;, FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a
href=3D"mailto:fernando.fr=
ediani(a)upx.com"
target=3D"_blank">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;<br <b>Subject: </b>Re: [ovirt-users] storage
redundancy in Ovirt</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p </div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshny=
i <<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">konrasko@gmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM
ho=
st went down I see this
<u></u><u></u></p
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p <div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.cor=
e.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy] (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49=
bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM Init: could not find reported vds or not up - poo=
l: 'STG' vds_spm_id: '1'<u></u><u></u></p </div
</div </div <div <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
[org.ovirt.engin=
e.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy] (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26=
bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM selection - vds seems as spm
'tank5'<u></u><=
u></u></p </div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
[org.ovirt.engin=
e.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy] (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26=
bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds is non responsive, stopping spm selectio=
n.<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to
aut=
omatically switch SPM host?<u></u><u></u></p </div
</div </div </div
</blockquote <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">BMC?<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to=
fence it. Did you <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">configure power management for all hosts? did you ch=
eck that it <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">work? How did you simulate non-responsive
host? =
;<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">If power management is not configured or fail, the s=
ystem cannot<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">move the spm to another host, unless you manually co=
nfirm that the<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">SPM host was
rebooted.<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Nir<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p </div
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshn=
yi <<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">konrasko@gma=
il.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p <blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid
#cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, fence agent works fine if I select
ilo4,<u></u><=
u></u></p </div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you for your
help!<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <<a
hre=
f=3D"mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<u></u><u></u></p
</div <blockquote
style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskosh=
nyi <<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">konrasko@gm=
ail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p <blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid
#cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Makes
sense. <u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with
our=
staging hardware. <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">We have old ilo100, I'll try
again. <u></u><u><=
/u></p </div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks! <u></u><u></u></p <div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div </div </blockquote
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div </div </div
<div <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work proper=
ly. There's of course the "confirm host has been shutdown" option=
, which serves as an override for the fence command, but it's
manual<u></u>=
<u></u></p </div </div
</div </div <div <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <<a
hre=
f=3D"mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<u></u><u></u></p
</div <blockquote
style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskosh=
nyi <<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">konrasko@gm=
ail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p <blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid
#cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Fence agent under each
node?<u></u><u></u></p
</div </blockquote <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div </div </div
<div <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">When you configure a host, there's the power
managem=
ent tab, where you need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't=
have fencing enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host run=
ning a service is actually down (and
it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not, for example, just unr=
eachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid -> SBA
?<u></u><u>=
</u></p </div </div
</div </div <div <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <<a
hre=
f=3D"mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<u></u><u></u></p
</div <blockquote
style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskosh=
nyi <<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">konrasko@gm=
ail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p <blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid
#cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">"Corner
cases"? <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt ke=
pt trying to reistablished connection to the failed
node. <u></u><u></=
u></p </div </blockquote
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div </div </div
<div <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Did you configure
fencing?<u></u><u></u></p
</div </div </div
</div <div
<div <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <<a
hre=
f=3D"mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<u></u><u></u></p
</div <blockquote
style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <<a
h=
ref=3D"mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com"
target=3D"_blank">nsoffer(a)redhat.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <<a
hre=
f=3D"mailto:dyasny@redhat.com"
target=3D"_blank">dyasny(a)redhat.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p
</div <blockquote
style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer"
<=
<a href=3D"mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com"
target=3D"_blank">nsoffer(a)redhat.com<=
/a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p <blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid
#cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <<a
hre=
f=3D"mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">dyasny(a)gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<u></u><u></u></p
</div <blockquote
style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">When you set up a storage domain, you need to specif=
y a host to perform the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defi=
ned, it's details are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connect=
ed to it directly. If the first host
you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will still remain con=
nected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current SPM host goes dow=
n, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short, unless your actual=
NFS exporting host goes down, there
is no outage. <u></u><u></u></p </div
</blockquote <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the =
spm host, the spm host<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">will not move to a new host until the spm host is on=
line again, or you confirm<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">manually that the spm host was
rebooted.<u></u><u></=
u></p </div </div
</div </blockquote </div
</div </div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">In a properly configured setup the SBA should take c=
are of that. That's the whole point of HA
services <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div </blockquote <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, t=
here is no way to start<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">the spm host, and the system cannot recover automati=
cally.<u></u><u></u></p
</div </div </div
</blockquote <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div </div </div
<div <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a no=
rmal situation. where an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, =
it gets fenced, other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises ther=
e. <u></u><u></u></p
</div </div </div
</div <div
<div <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#888888"> </span><u></u><u=
></u></p </div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#888888">Nir</span><u></u><u></=
u></p </div <div <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <div
<div <blockquote
style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#888888"> </span><u></u><u=
></u></p </div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#888888">Nir</span><u></u><u></=
u></p </div <div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshn=
yi <<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">konrasko@gma=
il.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p <blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid
#cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi
Fernando,<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but=
yes, if main host to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage =
becomes unavailable and all vms are down<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI
&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target=3D"_blank">fernando.=
frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div
<div <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello Konstantin.<u><=
/u><u></u></p </div <p class=3D"MsoNormal">That doesn`t make much
sense make a whole cluster de=
pend on a single host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Stora=
ge Array or whatever other Shared Storage you
have.<u></u><u></u></p
</div <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Have you tested that =
host going down if that affects the other with the NFS mounted directlly in=
a NFS Storage array ?<u></u><u></u></p </div
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Fernando<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<=
;<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com=
</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p <blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid
#cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific=
host. <u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">If host goes down storage is not
available. <u>=
</u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p <div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI
&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target=3D"_blank">fernando.f=
rediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p </div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a st=
orage server for running NFS and make both hosts connect to
it.<u></u><u></=
u></p </div <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">In my view NFS is muc=
h easier to manage than any other type of storage, specially FC and iSCSI a=
nd performance is pretty much the same, so you won`t get better results oth=
er than management going to other type.<u></u><u></u></p </div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Fernando<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<=
<a href=3D"mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank">konrasko(a)gmail.com<=
/a>>:<u></u><u></u></p
</div </div <div <div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi guys, <u></u><u></u></p <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">I have one
nfs storage,<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">it's connected through
host1.<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vm=
s between them.<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastruct=
ure is down, since all traffic goes through
host1,<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?<=
u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Only
glusterfs?<u></u><u></u></p
</div <div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p </div
<div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </div
</div <p
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p </blockquote
</div </div <div <div
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;
padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0cm; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt" <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">_____________________=
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From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
whatever ot=
her Shared Storage you have.
Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the NFS=
mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
Fernando
2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com<mailto=
:konrasko@gmail.com>>:
In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
If host goes down storage is not available.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.co=
m<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> wrote:
Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for runnin=
g NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage, spe=
cially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you won`t g=
et better results other than management going to other type.
Fernando
2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko@gmail.com<mailto:=
konrasko(a)gmail.com>>:
Hi guys,
I have one nfs storage,
it's connected through host1.
host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since all =
traffic goes through host1,
is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
Only glusterfs?
Thanks
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users@ovirt.org<mailto:Users@ovirt.org></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"
1:19 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 12:23 AM Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com> wrote:
Nir,
A process can chdir into mount point and then lazy umount it. Filesystem
remains mounted while the process exists and current directory is on
mounted filesystem.
# struncate -s 1g masterfs.img
# mkfs.ext4 masterfs.img
# mkdir masterfs
# mount -o loop masterfs.img masterfs
# cd masterfs
# umount -l .
# touch file
# ls
# cd ..
# ls masterfs
Interesting idea!
The only issue I see if not having a way to tell if the file system was
actually
unmounted. Does process termination guarantee that the file system was
unmounted?
Do you know if the behaviour is documented somewhere?
Nir
------------------------------
*From:* Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
*Sent:* Apr 17, 2017 8:40 PM
*To:* Adam Litke; Pavel Gashev
*Cc:* users
*Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:54 PM Adam Litke <alitke(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com> wrote:
>
>> Adam,
>>
>>
>>
>> You know, Sanlock has recovery mechanism that kills VDSM, or even
>> triggers Watchdog to reboot SPM host in case it has lost the SPM lock.
>>
>> I’m asking because I had issues with my master storage that caused SPM
>> host to reboot by Watchdog. And I was sure that it’s an intended behaviour.
>> Isn’t it?
>>
>
> Yes of course. But an SPM host can fail but still maintain its
> connection to the storage lease. In this case still you need classic
> fencing.
>
> Something new we are investigating is the use of sanlock's request
> feature which allows a new host to take the lease away from the current
> holder. The current holder would be fenced by sanlock (watchdog if
> necessary) and only once the lease is free would it be granted to the new
> requester.
>
We can use the SPM lease to kill vdsm on the non-responsive SPM host,
and start the SPM on another host, similar to the way we handle vms with
a lease.
But this does not help with the masterfs mounted on the SPM host. if vdsm
is killed before it unmount it, strating the SPM on another host (and
mounting
the msasterfs on the new host) will corrupt the masterfs.
When using file based storage (nfs, glusterfs) we don't have a masterfs so
killing vdsm on the SPM should be good enough to start the SPM on another
host, even if fencing is not possible.
We can start with enabling sanlock based SPM fencing on file based storage.
Nir
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Adam Litke <alitke(a)redhat.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, 17 April 2017 at 17:32
>> *To: *Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com>
>> *Cc: *Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>, users <users(a)ovirt.org>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Pavel Gashev <Pax(a)acronis.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nir,
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn’t SPM managed via Sanlock? I believe there is no need to fence SPM
>> host. Especially if there are no SPM tasks running.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's true that the exclusivity of the SPM role is enforced by Sanlock
>> but you always need to fence a non-responsive SPM because there is no way
>> to guarantee that the host is not still manipulating storage (eg. LV
>> extensions) and we must ensure that only one host has the masterfs on the
>> master storage domain mounted.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *<users-bounces(a)ovirt.org> on behalf of Nir Soffer <
>> nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, 17 April 2017 at 16:06
>> *To: *Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>, Dan Yasny <
>> dyasny(a)gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *users <users(a)ovirt.org>, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [ovirt-users] storage redundancy in Ovirt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I see
>> this
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
>> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM Init:
>> could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id:
'1'
>>
>> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
>> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
>> selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
>>
>> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
>> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds is
>> non responsive, stopping spm selection.
>>
>>
>>
>> So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch
>> SPM host?
>>
>>
>>
>> BMC?
>>
>>
>>
>> If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
>>
>> configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
>>
>> work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
>>
>>
>>
>> If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
>>
>> move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
>>
>> SPM host was rebooted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Makes sense.
>>
>> I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging hardware.
>>
>> We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of
>> course the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as an
>> override for the fence command, but it's manual
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fence agent under each node?
>>
>>
>>
>> When you configure a host, there's the power management tab, where you
>> need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have fencing
>> enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a service
>> is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and not,
>> for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a splitbraid
>> -> SBA ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Corner cases"?
>>
>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept trying to
>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did you configure fencing?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
>> the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
>> are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
>> If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
>> still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
>> SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
>> unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm
>> host
>>
>> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
>> confirm
>>
>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>
>>
>>
>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
>> the whole point of HA services
>>
>>
>>
>> In some cases like power loss or hardware failure, there is no way to
>> start
>>
>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover automatically.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a normal situation.
>> where an SPM host goes down because of a hardware failure, it gets fenced,
>> other hosts contend for SPM and start it. No surprises there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Fernando,
>>
>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host
>> to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
>> and all vms are down
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Konstantin.
>>
>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>
>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
>> NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>
>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>
>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of storage,
>> specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the same, so you
>> won`t get better results other than management going to other type.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I have one nfs storage,
>>
>> it's connected through host1.
>>
>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between them.
>>
>>
>>
>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down, since
>> all traffic goes through host1,
>>
>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>
>>
>>
>> Only glusterfs?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
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10:26 a.m.
Hi Nir,
BMC - board management controller, in my case I have ilo.
Yes I set up power management for all hosts - ovirt sees ilo status as ok.
I use remote pdu to shutdown the port, after that happens the picture I
attached.
After I switch power port on, ovirt is able to read ilo status, sees that
Linux is down and immediately switches the spm server.
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:07 AM Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> But actually, it didn't work well. After main SPM host went down I see
> this
>
[image: Screen Shot 2017-04-16 at 10.22.00 PM.png]
>
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM Init:
> could not find reported vds or not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id: '1'
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] SPM
> selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'
> 2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler5) [4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-03a970dbbec1] spm vds is
> non responsive, stopping spm selection.
>
> So that means only if BMC is up it's possible to automatically switch
> SPM host?
>
BMC?
If your SPM is no responsive, the system will try to fence it. Did you
configure power management for all hosts? did you check that it
work? How did you simulate non-responsive host?
If power management is not configured or fail, the system cannot
move the spm to another host, unless you manually confirm that the
SPM host was rebooted.
Nir
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, fence agent works fine if I select ilo4,
>> Thank you for your help!
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:22 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Makes sense.
>>>> I was trying to set it up, but doesn't work with our staging
hardware.
>>>> We have old ilo100, I'll try again.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It is absolutely necessary for any HA to work properly. There's of
>>> course the "confirm host has been shutdown" option, which serves as
an
>>> override for the fence command, but it's manual
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:18 PM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fence agent under each node?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When you configure a host, there's the power management tab,
where
>>>>> you need to enter the bmc details for the host. If you don't have
fencing
>>>>> enabled, how do you expect the system to make sure a host running a
service
>>>>> is actually down (and it is safe to start HA services elsewhere), and
not,
>>>>> for example, just unreachable by the engine? How do you avoid a
splitbraid
>>>>> -> SBA ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Corner cases"?
>>>>>>>> I tried to simulate crash of SPM server and ovirt kept
trying to
>>>>>>>> reistablished connection to the failed node.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you configure fencing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:10 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Nir Soffer
<nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir
Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny
<dyasny(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When you set up a storage domain, you
need to specify a host
>>>>>>>>>>>> to perform the initial storage
operations, but once the SD is defined, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> details are in the engine database, and
all the hosts get connected to it
>>>>>>>>>>>> directly. If the first host you used to
define the SD goes down, all other
>>>>>>>>>>>> hosts will still remain connected and
work. SPM is an HA service, and if
>>>>>>>>>>>> the current SPM host goes down, SPM gets
started on another host in the DC.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In short, unless your actual NFS
exporting host goes down, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>> outage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no storage outage, but if you
shutdown the spm host,
>>>>>>>>>>> the spm host
>>>>>>>>>>> will not move to a new host until the spm
host is online again,
>>>>>>>>>>> or you confirm
>>>>>>>>>>> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In a properly configured setup the SBA should
take care of
>>>>>>>>>>> that. That's the whole point of HA
services
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In some cases like power loss or hardware
failure, there is no
>>>>>>>>>> way to start
>>>>>>>>>> the spm host, and the system cannot recover
automatically.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are always corner cases, no doubt. But in a
normal
>>>>>>>>> situation. where an SPM host goes down because of a
hardware failure, it
>>>>>>>>> gets fenced, other hosts contend for SPM and start
it. No surprises there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM,
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see each host has direct connection
nfs mount, but yes, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> main host to which I connected nfs
storage going down the storage becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unavailable and all vms are down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM
FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make
a whole cluster depend on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single host. From what I know
any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or whatever other Shared Storage
you have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tested that host going
down if that affects the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other with the NFS mounted
directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach
storage through specific host.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If host goes down storage is
not available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31
AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, make it not go
through host1 and dedicate a storage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server for running NFS
and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view NFS is much
easier to manage than any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type of storage,
specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, so you won`t get
better results other than management going to other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one nfs
storage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's connected
through host1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host2 also has access
to it, I can easily migrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vms between them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question is - if
host1 is down - all infrastructure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is down, since all
traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there any way in
oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>
12:44 p.m.
What's SBA?
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:05 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
> the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
> are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
> If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
> still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
> SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
> unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
>
There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
confirm
manually that the spm host was rebooted.
In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
the whole point of HA services
Nir
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Fernando,
>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host
>> to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
>> and all vms are down
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>
>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
>>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with the
>>> NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>
>>> Fernando
>>>
>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server for
>>>>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of
>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much the
same, so
>>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going to other
type.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between
them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is down,
>>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
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11:12 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <konrasko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
What's SBA?
split brain avoidance mechanism
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:05 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2017 7:01 AM, "Nir Soffer" <nsoffer(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When you set up a storage domain, you need to specify a host to perform
>> the initial storage operations, but once the SD is defined, it's details
>> are in the engine database, and all the hosts get connected to it directly.
>> If the first host you used to define the SD goes down, all other hosts will
>> still remain connected and work. SPM is an HA service, and if the current
>> SPM host goes down, SPM gets started on another host in the DC. In short,
>> unless your actual NFS exporting host goes down, there is no outage.
>>
>
> There is no storage outage, but if you shutdown the spm host, the spm host
> will not move to a new host until the spm host is online again, or you
> confirm
> manually that the spm host was rebooted.
>
>
> In a properly configured setup the SBA should take care of that. That's
> the whole point of HA services
>
>
> Nir
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <
>> konrasko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Fernando,
>>> I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host
>>> to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes unavailable
>>> and all vms are down
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Konstantin.
>>>>
>>>> That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a single
>>>> host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS Storage Array or
>>>> whatever other Shared Storage you have.
>>>> Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other with
>>>> the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
>>>>
>>>> Fernando
>>>>
>>>> 2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
>>>>> If host goes down storage is not available.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>>>>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage server
for
>>>>>> running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
>>>>>> In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other type of
>>>>>> storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is pretty much
the same, so
>>>>>> you won`t get better results other than management going to other
type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>> I have one nfs storage,
>>>>>>> it's connected through host1.
>>>>>>> host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate vms between
them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The question is - if host1 is down - all infrastructure is
down,
>>>>>>> since all traffic goes through host1,
>>>>>>> is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only glusterfs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
>
>
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If this works in this way then it's a huge downside in the architecture.
Perhaps someone can clarify in more details.
Fernando
On 15/04/2017 14:53, Konstantin Raskoshnyi wrote:
Hi Fernando,
I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if main host
to which I connected nfs storage going down the storage becomes
unavailable and all vms are down
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> wrote:
Hello Konstantin.
That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster depend on a
single host. From what I know any host talk directly to NFS
Storage Array or whatever other Shared Storage you have.
Have you tested that host going down if that affects the other
with the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage array ?
Fernando
2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>:
In ovirt you have to attach storage through specific host.
If host goes down storage is not available.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
wrote:
Well, make it not go through host1 and dedicate a storage
server for running NFS and make both hosts connect to it.
In my view NFS is much easier to manage than any other
type of storage, specially FC and iSCSI and performance is
pretty much the same, so you won`t get better results
other than management going to other type.
Fernando
2017-04-15 5:25 GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi
<konrasko(a)gmail.com <mailto:konrasko@gmail.com>>:
Hi guys,
I have one nfs storage,
it's connected through host1.
host2 also has access to it, I can easily migrate
vms between them.
The question is - if host1 is down - all
infrastructure is down, since all traffic goes through
host1,
is there any way in oVirt to use redundant storage?
Only glusterfs?
Thanks
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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<p>If this works in this way then it's a huge downside in the
architecture. Perhaps someone can clarify in more details.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/04/2017 14:53, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi wrote:<br>
</div>
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cite="mid:CAJU06NOAMePk_OaA1yAgeV0pHdb9qXR7Yh=Cui3Gixs=vtnT-Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>Hi Fernando,</div>
<div>I see each host has direct connection nfs mount, but yes, if
main host to which I connected nfs storage going down the
storage becomes unavailable and all vms are down</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hello Konstantin.<br>
<br>
</div>
That doesn`t make much sense make a whole cluster
depend on a single host. From what I know any host
talk directly to NFS Storage Array or whatever other
Shared Storage you have.<br>
</div>
Have you tested that host going down if that affects the
other with the NFS mounted directlly in a NFS Storage
array ?<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>Fernando<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-15 12:42 GMT-03:00
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>In ovirt you have to attach storage through
specific host. </div>
<div>If host goes down storage is not available. </div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:31 AM FERNANDO
FREDIANI <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target="_blank">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>
<div>Well, make it not go through host1 and
dedicate a storage server for running NFS
and make both hosts connect to it.<br>
</div>
In my view NFS is much easier to manage than
any other type of storage, specially FC and
iSCSI and performance is pretty much the
same, so you won`t get better results other
than management going to other type.<br>
<br>
</div>
Fernando<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-15 5:25
GMT-03:00 Konstantin Raskoshnyi <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hi guys,
<div>I have one nfs storage,</div>
<div>it's connected through host1.</div>
<div>host2 also has access to it, I can
easily migrate vms between them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The question is - if host1 is down
- all infrastructure is down, since
all traffic goes through host1,</div>
<div>is there any way in oVirt to use
redundant storage?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Only glusterfs?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
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href="http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/user...
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