------=_Part_2135316_487269704.1415878900070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic. Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic? I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc). I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management? Also, I have more questions about this: - If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes. - Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores? - What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic? My plan is - vlan.101 ovirtmgmt - vlan 102 glusterfs - vlan 103 migration - vlan 104 display What is the recommended procedure of this? Thanks in advance, Regards, Tibor ------=_Part_2135316_487269704.1415878900070 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, se= rif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I h= ave a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometim= es the management is very slow because high gluster traffic. </div><di= v><br></div><div>Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterf= s traffic?</div><div>I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of servi= ces (migration, etc).</div><div>I just wondering I will make three VLANs fo= r these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs fo= r use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management? = ;</div><div>Also, I have more questions about this:</div><div><br></div><di= v>- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afrai= d the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes.</div><div>- Is = it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs ba= sed datastores?</div><div>- What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interf= ace? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?</div><div><br></div><div>= <br></div><div>My plan is </div><div>- vlan.101 ovirtmgmt</div><div>- = vlan 102 glusterfs</div><div>- vlan 103 migration</div><div>- vlan 104 disp= lay</div><div><br></div><div>What is the recommended procedure of this?&nbs= p;</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance,</div><div><br></div><div>Reg= ards,</div><div><br></div><div>Tibor</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></d= iv></body></html> ------=_Part_2135316_487269704.1415878900070--
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040605070404050706000102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 13/11/14 08:41, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hi,
I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic.
Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic? I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc). I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management? Also, I have more questions about this:
- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes. - Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores? - What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?
My plan is - vlan.101 ovirtmgmt - vlan 102 glusterfs - vlan 103 migration - vlan 104 display
What is the recommended procedure of this?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Tibor
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--------------040605070404050706000102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 13/11/14 08:41, Demeter Tibor wrote= :<br> </div> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1186769117.2135317.1415878900071.JavaMail.zimbra@itsmar= t.hu" type=3D"cite"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"> <div>Hi,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic.=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic?</div> <div>I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc).</div> <div>I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management?=A0</div> <div>Also, I have more questions about this:</div> <div><br> </div> <div>- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes.</div> <div>- Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores?</div> <div>- What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>My plan is=A0</div> <div>- vlan.101 ovirtmgmt</div> <div>- vlan 102 glusterfs</div> <div>- vlan 103 migration</div> <div>- vlan 104 display</div> <div><br> </div> <div>What is the recommended procedure of this?=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks in advance,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Regards,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Tibor</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset class=3D"mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre wrap=3D"">_______________________________________________ Users mailing list <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org">Use= rs@ovirt.org</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman= /listinfo/users">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users</a> </pre> </blockquote> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/Chang= e_network_interface_for_Gluster">http://www.ovirt.org/Change_network_inte= rface_for_Gluster</a><br> </body> </html> --------------040605070404050706000102--
------=_Part_3511752_909466225.1416129523845 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 Thank for tipp, but it is not possible on my productive system.=20 I just wondering, how is possible to change the network of ovirt management= ?=20 Thanks=20 Tibor=20 ----- Eredeti =C3=BCzenet -----
On 13/11/14 08:41, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hi, =20
I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic. =20
Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic? =20 I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, e= tc). =20 I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the= QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for glust= er traffic an a other one for management? =20 Also, I have more questions about this: =20
- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afr= aid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes. =20 - Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores? =20 - What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this fo= r seperate network traffic? =20
My plan is =20 - vlan.101 ovirtmgmt =20 - vlan 102 glusterfs =20 - vlan 103 migration =20 - vlan 104 display =20
What is the recommended procedure of this? =20
Thanks in advance, =20
Regards, =20
Tibor =20
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------=_Part_3511752_909466225.1416129523845 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><body><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi,</div><div>Thank for tipp, but it is not possible on my productive system.</div><div>I just wondering, how is possible to change the network of ovirt management? </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Tibor</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/11/14 08:41, Demeter Tibor wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:1186769117.2135317.1415878900071.JavaMail.zimbra@itsmart.hu"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"> <div>Hi,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic?</div> <div>I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc).</div> <div>I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management? </div> <div>Also, I have more questions about this:</div> <div><br> </div> <div>- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes.</div> <div>- Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores?</div> <div>- What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>My plan is </div> <div>- vlan.101 ovirtmgmt</div> <div>- vlan 102 glusterfs</div> <div>- vlan 103 migration</div> <div>- vlan 104 display</div> <div><br> </div> <div>What is the recommended procedure of this? </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks in advance,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Regards,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Tibor</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre>_______________________________________________ Users mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target="_blank">Users@ovirt.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" target="_blank">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users</a> </pre> </blockquote> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ovirt.org/Change_network_interface_for_Gluster" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/Change_network_interface_for_Gluster</a><br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>Users mailing list<br>Users@ovirt.org<br>http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_3511752_909466225.1416129523845--
Hi Tibor, On 13/11/14 13:41, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hi,
I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic.
Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic? I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc). I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management?
This generally sounds like a good plan, but note that QoS on the host-level will only become available in oVirt 3.6 (it might become available soon on master, if you're feeling lucky...). VM-level QoS (available since 3.3) won't help you with "administrative" traffic (i.e. traffic that isn't going into / coming out of the VMs themselves).
Also, I have more questions about this:
- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes.
If the switch allows this VLAN to reach all hosts, there shouldn't be a problem; since oVirt 3.4 the VLAN tagging should "propagate" to all active hosts. However, see my comment below concerning "VM network".
- Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores?
I'm not knowledgeable about gluster specifics, but let's see if I can help. What's the current situation with the gluster network, is it already VLAN-tagged? If it is and you're not moving it to another interface on the hosts, I *think* things should be fine.
- What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?
This means that a bridge is created for this network on hosts. If VMs don't use this network (i.e. virtual interfaces are assigned profiles of ovirtmgmt), you can make it non-VM (with no VLAN tagging) and have it assigned to the same host interface as VLAN-tagged networks (I would say this is less risky than VLAN-tagging ovirtmgmt).
My plan is - vlan.101 ovirtmgmt - vlan 102 glusterfs - vlan 103 migration - vlan 104 display
What is the recommended procedure of this?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Tibor
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Hello, Thank you for the detailed reply. Yes, the vms are used an independent network/network interfaces for access the internet. So, in this case I could separate the high glusterfs traffic from ovirt management traffic when I disable "vm" network on ovirtmgmt interface. I will try-out this night this feature. Thanks a lot, Tibor ----- Eredeti üzenet -----
Hi Tibor,
On 13/11/14 13:41, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hi,
I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic.
Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic? I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc). I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management?
This generally sounds like a good plan, but note that QoS on the host-level will only become available in oVirt 3.6 (it might become available soon on master, if you're feeling lucky...).
VM-level QoS (available since 3.3) won't help you with "administrative" traffic (i.e. traffic that isn't going into / coming out of the VMs themselves).
Also, I have more questions about this:
- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes.
If the switch allows this VLAN to reach all hosts, there shouldn't be a problem; since oVirt 3.4 the VLAN tagging should "propagate" to all active hosts. However, see my comment below concerning "VM network".
- Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores?
I'm not knowledgeable about gluster specifics, but let's see if I can help. What's the current situation with the gluster network, is it already VLAN-tagged? If it is and you're not moving it to another interface on the hosts, I *think* things should be fine.
- What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?
This means that a bridge is created for this network on hosts. If VMs don't use this network (i.e. virtual interfaces are assigned profiles of ovirtmgmt), you can make it non-VM (with no VLAN tagging) and have it assigned to the same host interface as VLAN-tagged networks (I would say this is less risky than VLAN-tagging ovirtmgmt).
My plan is - vlan.101 ovirtmgmt - vlan 102 glusterfs - vlan 103 migration - vlan 104 display
What is the recommended procedure of this?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Tibor
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On 17/11/14 15:10, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hello,
Thank you for the detailed reply.
Yes, the vms are used an independent network/network interfaces for access the internet. So, in this case I could separate the high glusterfs traffic from ovirt management traffic when I disable "vm" network on ovirtmgmt interface.
And since host-level QoS is not yet available in oVirt, you might want to configure your switch(es) to limit gluster traffic (by VLAN tag) to not "hog" the (presumably shared) network infrastructure.
I will try-out this night this feature.
Thanks a lot,
Tibor
----- Eredeti üzenet -----
Hi Tibor,
On 13/11/14 13:41, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hi,
I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic.
Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic? I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc). I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management?
This generally sounds like a good plan, but note that QoS on the host-level will only become available in oVirt 3.6 (it might become available soon on master, if you're feeling lucky...).
VM-level QoS (available since 3.3) won't help you with "administrative" traffic (i.e. traffic that isn't going into / coming out of the VMs themselves).
Also, I have more questions about this:
- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes.
If the switch allows this VLAN to reach all hosts, there shouldn't be a problem; since oVirt 3.4 the VLAN tagging should "propagate" to all active hosts. However, see my comment below concerning "VM network".
- Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores?
I'm not knowledgeable about gluster specifics, but let's see if I can help. What's the current situation with the gluster network, is it already VLAN-tagged? If it is and you're not moving it to another interface on the hosts, I *think* things should be fine.
- What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?
This means that a bridge is created for this network on hosts. If VMs don't use this network (i.e. virtual interfaces are assigned profiles of ovirtmgmt), you can make it non-VM (with no VLAN tagging) and have it assigned to the same host interface as VLAN-tagged networks (I would say this is less risky than VLAN-tagging ovirtmgmt).
My plan is - vlan.101 ovirtmgmt - vlan 102 glusterfs - vlan 103 migration - vlan 104 display
What is the recommended procedure of this?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Tibor
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Ok, thanks a lot! Have a nice day, Tibor ----- Eredeti üzenet -----
On 17/11/14 15:10, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hello,
Thank you for the detailed reply.
Yes, the vms are used an independent network/network interfaces for access the internet. So, in this case I could separate the high glusterfs traffic from ovirt management traffic when I disable "vm" network on ovirtmgmt interface.
And since host-level QoS is not yet available in oVirt, you might want to configure your switch(es) to limit gluster traffic (by VLAN tag) to not "hog" the (presumably shared) network infrastructure.
I will try-out this night this feature.
Thanks a lot,
Tibor
----- Eredeti üzenet -----
Hi Tibor,
On 13/11/14 13:41, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hi,
I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic.
Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic? I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc). I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management?
This generally sounds like a good plan, but note that QoS on the host-level will only become available in oVirt 3.6 (it might become available soon on master, if you're feeling lucky...).
VM-level QoS (available since 3.3) won't help you with "administrative" traffic (i.e. traffic that isn't going into / coming out of the VMs themselves).
Also, I have more questions about this:
- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes.
If the switch allows this VLAN to reach all hosts, there shouldn't be a problem; since oVirt 3.4 the VLAN tagging should "propagate" to all active hosts. However, see my comment below concerning "VM network".
- Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores?
I'm not knowledgeable about gluster specifics, but let's see if I can help. What's the current situation with the gluster network, is it already VLAN-tagged? If it is and you're not moving it to another interface on the hosts, I *think* things should be fine.
- What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?
This means that a bridge is created for this network on hosts. If VMs don't use this network (i.e. virtual interfaces are assigned profiles of ovirtmgmt), you can make it non-VM (with no VLAN tagging) and have it assigned to the same host interface as VLAN-tagged networks (I would say this is less risky than VLAN-tagging ovirtmgmt).
My plan is - vlan.101 ovirtmgmt - vlan 102 glusterfs - vlan 103 migration - vlan 104 display
What is the recommended procedure of this?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Tibor
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<html><bodyDemeter Tibor píše v Po 17. 11. 2014 v 14:10 +0100:
Hello,
Thank you for the detailed reply.
Yes, the vms are used an independent network/network interfaces for access the internet. So, in this case I could separate the high glusterfs traffic from ovirt management traffic when I disable "vm" network on ovirtmgmt interface.
I will try-out this night this feature.
Hi, you can try it only if you don't have hosted engine ;) Cheers, Luf
Thanks a lot,
Tibor
----- Eredeti üzenet -----
Hi Tibor,
On 13/11/14 13:41, Demeter Tibor wrote:
Hi,
I have a 3 node gluster based cluster. There are 3x3 Nic with bonding. Sometimes the management is very slow because high gluster traffic.
Is it possible to separate ovirtmgmt network from glusterfs traffic? I have only one interface (ovirtmgmt) for all of services (migration, etc). I just wondering I will make three VLANs for these services and use the QoS function. But how can specify glusterfs for use an other vlan for gluster traffic an a other one for management?
This generally sounds like a good plan, but note that QoS on the host-level will only become available in oVirt 3.6 (it might become available soon on master, if you're feeling lucky...).
VM-level QoS (available since 3.3) won't help you with "administrative" traffic (i.e. traffic that isn't going into / coming out of the VMs themselves).
Also, I have more questions about this:
- If I specify a VLAN on ovirtmgmt, then what happend on nodes? I'm afraid the nodes will lost the connection with each other nodes.
If the switch allows this VLAN to reach all hosts, there shouldn't be a problem; since oVirt 3.4 the VLAN tagging should "propagate" to all active hosts. However, see my comment below concerning "VM network".
- Is it possible on a live system? What will happen with the mounted glustefs based datastores?
I'm not knowledgeable about gluster specifics, but let's see if I can help. What's the current situation with the gluster network, is it already VLAN-tagged? If it is and you're not moving it to another interface on the hosts, I *think* things should be fine.
- What does "vm network" mean on ovirtmgmt interface? Can I use this for seperate network traffic?
This means that a bridge is created for this network on hosts. If VMs don't use this network (i.e. virtual interfaces are assigned profiles of ovirtmgmt), you can make it non-VM (with no VLAN tagging) and have it assigned to the same host interface as VLAN-tagged networks (I would say this is less risky than VLAN-tagging ovirtmgmt).
My plan is - vlan.101 ovirtmgmt - vlan 102 glusterfs - vlan 103 migration - vlan 104 display
What is the recommended procedure of this?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Tibor
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