7:13 a.m.
The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First Beta
Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used in
production.
Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask questions
and interact with developers and users.
All issues or bugs should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This release
brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand bug fixes,
including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on top of oVirt 4.1
series.
What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
-
The Administration Portal has been completely redesigned using
Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design. It now
features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved user experience.
-
There is an all-new VM Portal for non-admin users.
-
A new High Performance virtual machine type has been added to the New VM
dialog box in the Administration Portal.
-
Open Virtual Network (OVN) adds support for Open vSwitch software
defined networking (SDN).
-
oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
-
The ovirt-ansible-roles package helps users with common administration
tasks.
-
Virt-v2v now supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
For more information about these and other features, check out the oVirt
4.2.0 blog post <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le architectures
for:
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade instructions and
a list of new features and bugs fixed.
Notes:
- oVirt Appliance is already available.
- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
Additional Resources:
* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
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ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
<https://red.ht/sig>
TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
<http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
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Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
Hope it keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.
Fernando
On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
in production.
Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
top of oVirt 4.1 series.
What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
*
The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
user experience.
*
There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
*
A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
*
Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
defined networking (SDN).
*
oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
*
The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
administration tasks.
*
Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
For more information about these and other features, check out the
oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
architectures for:
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
Notes:
- oVirt Appliance is already available.
- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
Additional Resources:
* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
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SANDRO BONAZZOLA
ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
<https://red.ht/sig>
TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
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Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
Hope it keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and
needed.<br>
<br>
Fernando<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAPQRNTmZKfRrXWyQJj3j9sN51eThuhGQ4sCTBq-pmMupd1f_6w@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="ltr"><span
id="m_-465824095507277168gmail-docs-internal-guid-f0ea6178-7254-648d-4d72-0581f02b1125">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The
oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First Beta Release of oVirt
4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017</span></p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">This
is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used in
production.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Please
take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask questions and interact with
developers and users.</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">All
issues or bugs should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">This
update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This release brings more than 230
enhancements and more than one thousand bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent
severity fixes, on top of oVirt 4.1 series.</span></p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">What's
new in oVirt 4.2.0?</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
</span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<li dir="ltr"
style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The
</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Administration
Portal</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
has been completely redesigned using Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
application design. It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved user
experience.</span></p>
</li>
<li dir="ltr"
style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">There
is an all-new </span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">VM
Portal</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
for non-admin users.</span></p>
</li>
<li dir="ltr"
style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">A
new </span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">High
Performance virtual machine</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
type has been added to the New VM dialog box in the Administration
Portal.</span></p>
</li>
<li dir="ltr"
style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Open
Virtual Network (OVN)</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
adds support for Open vSwitch software defined networking (SDN).</span></p>
</li>
<li dir="ltr"
style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">oVirt
now supports </span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Nvidia
vGPU.</span></p>
</li>
<li dir="ltr"
style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The
</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">ovirt-ansible-roles</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
package helps users with common administration tasks.</span></p>
</li>
<li dir="ltr"
style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Virt-v2v</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">
now supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.</span></p>
</li>
</ul>
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">For
more information about these and other features, check out the </span><a
href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">oVirt
4.2.0 blog post</span></a><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">.
</span></p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">This
release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">*
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">*
CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later</span></p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">This
release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le architectures
for:</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">*
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">*
CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">*
oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)</span></p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">See
the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade instructions and a list of new
features and bugs fixed.</span></p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Notes:</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">-
oVirt Appliance is already available.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">-
An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.</span></p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Additional
Resources:</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">*
Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights: </span><a
href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent...
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">*
Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: </span><a
href="https://twitter.com/ovirt" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent...
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">*
Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog: </span><a
href="http://www.ovirt.org/blog/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent...
<br>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[1]
</span><a
href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent...
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[2]
</span><a
href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt...
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent...
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[3]
</span><a
href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent...
<span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">[4]
</span><a
href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent...
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9:44 a.m.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
Hope it keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.
Fernando
We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal if
that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better than
before.
On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>
>
> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
> in production.
>
> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>
> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>
>
> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>
> *
>
> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
> user experience.
>
> *
>
> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>
> *
>
> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>
> *
>
> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
> defined networking (SDN).
>
> *
>
> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>
> *
>
> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
> administration tasks.
>
> *
>
> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>
> For more information about these and other features, check out the
> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
>
>
> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>
> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>
> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>
>
> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
> architectures for:
>
> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>
> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>
> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>
>
> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>
>
> Notes:
>
> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>
> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>
>
> Additional Resources:
>
> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>
> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
>
> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>
>
> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>
> [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>
> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>
> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>
>
> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>
> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>
> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>
> <https://red.ht/sig>
> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>
> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Users(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
10:07 a.m.
Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI
wrote:
> Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
> Hope it keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.
>
> Fernando
>
We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal if
Will
the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
object (migrate, maintenance...)
that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and
better than
before.
> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>
>>
>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
>> in production.
>>
>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>
>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>
>>
>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>
>> *
>>
>> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
>> user experience.
>>
>> *
>>
>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>
>> *
>>
>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>
>> *
>>
>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
>> defined networking (SDN).
>>
>> *
>>
>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>
>> *
>>
>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
>> administration tasks.
>>
>> *
>>
>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>
>> For more information about these and other features, check out the
>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
>>
>>
>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>
>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>
>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>
>>
>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>> architectures for:
>>
>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>
>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>
>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>
>>
>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>
>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>
>>
>> Additional Resources:
>>
>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>
>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>
>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>
>>
>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>
>> [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>
>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>
>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>
>>
>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>
>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>
>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>
>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>
>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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Tél. 33 (0)4 67 54 84 55
Fax 33 (0)4 67 54 84 14
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10:24 a.m.
The plan was to remove right click.
This is considered less common in web applications from UXD perspective.
On Oct 31, 2017 5:08 PM, "Nathanaël Blanchet" <blanchet(a)abes.fr> wrote:
Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
>
>> Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
>> Hope it keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user
> portal if
>
Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
object (migrate, maintenance...)
> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
> than
> before.
>
> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>
>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>
>>>
>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
>>> in production.
>>>
>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>
>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>
>>>
>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>
>>> *
>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
>>> user experience.
>>> *
>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>> *
>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>> *
>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>> *
>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>> *
>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
>>> administration tasks.
>>> *
>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>
>>> For more information about these and other features, check out the
>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
>>>
>>>
>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>
>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>
>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>
>>>
>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>> architectures for:
>>>
>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>
>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>
>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>
>>>
>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>
>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Additional Resources:
>>>
>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ <http://www.ovirt.org/release/
>>> 4.2.0/>
>>>
>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>
>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>
>>> [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>>
>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>
>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>
>>>
>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>
>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>
>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>
>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.
>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=TESTED.+TRUSTED.&entry=gmail&source=g&...
>>> https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>
>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>
--
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Pôle Infrastrutures Informatiques
227 avenue Professeur-Jean-Louis-Viala
34193 MONTPELLIER CEDEX 5
Tél. 33 (0)4 67 54 84 55
Fax 33 (0)4 67 54 84 14
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_______________________________________________
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10:43 a.m.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:07:22 AM EDT Nathanaël Blanchet wrote:
Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
>> Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations.
>> Hope it keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.
>>
>> Fernando
>
> We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal
> if
Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
object (migrate, maintenance...)
Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100%
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices
don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
sense.
- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you
can do things like copy from the menu.
- We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu
available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as
a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface.
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its
a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
available in the right click menu.
Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is
certainly possible we will put it back.
> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
and better
> than before.
>
>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>
>>>
>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
>>> in production.
>>>
>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>
>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>
>>>
>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
>>> user experience.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
>>> administration tasks.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>
>>> For more information about these and other features, check out the
>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
>>>
>>>
>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>
>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>
>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>
>>>
>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>> architectures for:
>>>
>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>
>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>
>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>
>>>
>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>
>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Additional Resources:
>>>
>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>
>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>
>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>
>>> [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>>
>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>
>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>
>>>
>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>
>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>
>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>
>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>
>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
> _______________________________________________
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11:59 a.m.
On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>
> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>
Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100%
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices
don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
sense.
Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is
nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation
nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their
large environments. If having both options where you can switch between
then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop.
We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need
that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty
useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend
or buzz stuff.
Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for
quite a while.
- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours
and you
can do things like copy from the menu.
- We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu
available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as
a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface.
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its
a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
available in the right click menu.
Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is
certainly possible we will put it back.
>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
>> than before.
>>
>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
>>>> in production.
>>>>
>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>
>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
>>>> user experience.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>
>>>> For more information about these and other features, check out the
>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>
>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>
>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>> architectures for:
>>>>
>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>
>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>
>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notes:
>>>>
>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>
>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>
>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>
>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>
>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>
>>>> [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>>>
>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>
>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>
>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>
>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>
>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Users mailing list
>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss =
it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I=E2=80=99=
m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use =
on Desktop over Mobile!
From: FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now =
available
for testing
Date: October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
To: users(a)ovirt.org
=20
=20
On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>=20
>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? =
Because,
>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
interact =
with
>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>=20
> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>=20
> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its =
not
100%
> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. =
Mobile devices
> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there
would make =
no
> sense.
Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage =
is nice
to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation =
nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their =
large environments. If having both options where you can switch between =
then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. =
We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need =
that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime =
anywhere.
=20
So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty =
useful for a
day by day and real management usage because of a new trend =
or buzz stuff.
Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be =
for quite a while.
> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
ours =
and you
> can do things like copy from the menu.
> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the =
buttons/kebab
menu
> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
used =
actions as
> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
the =
interface.
> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu =
because
its
> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality
that was =
only
> available in the right click menu.
>=20
> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or =
not. For
> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
back, =
it is
> certainly possible we will put it back.
>=20
>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and =
better
>>> than before.
>>>=20
>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the =
First
>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st,
2017
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be =
used
>>>>> in production.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or =
bugs
>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one =
thousand
>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent
severity fixes, =
on
>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> *
>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned =
using
>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
application =
design.
>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive
design, for an =
improved
>>>>> user experience.
>>>>> *
>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>> *
>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added =
to the
>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration
Portal.
>>>>> *
>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch =
software
>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>> *
>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>> *
>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>> *
>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check out =
the
>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: =
https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ =
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [2] =
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt
>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>=20
>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION =
R&D
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and =
will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, =
but I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for primary work. Please =
prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br
class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><hr
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class=3D"">From:</b> FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" =
class=3D"">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;</font></span><br
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[ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for =
testing</font></span><br class=3D"">
<span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"
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<span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"
class=3D""><font =
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class=3D"">To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" =
class=3D"">users(a)ovirt.org</a></font></span><br
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div
class=3D""><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span
style=3D"font-family: =
FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander
=
Wels wrote:</span><br style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"
class=3D""><blockquote=
type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote
type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Will the right click dialog be
available in =
the final release? Because,<br class=3D"">currently in 4.2 we need to go
=
at the up right corner to interact with<br class=3D"">object (migrate, =
maintenance...)<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""></blockquote>Short answer: =
No, we removed it on purpose.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">Long answer: =
No, here are the reasons why:<br class=3D"">- We are attempting to get =
the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100%<br class=3D"">there =
yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile =
devices<br class=3D"">don't have a right click, so hiding
functionality =
in there would make no<br class=3D"">sense.<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: =
FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Please don't put mobile
usage =
over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" =
situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to =
do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both =
options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something =
should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a =
Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility =
and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br
style=3D"font-family: =
FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">So I beg you to consider well before =
remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real =
management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span
style=3D"font-family: =
FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Right click is always on popular
=
on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote
type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">- You can now right click =
and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you<br class=3D"">can do =
things like copy from the menu.<br class=3D"">- We replicated all the =
functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br =
class=3D"">available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly =
used actions as<br class=3D"">a button, and less often used actions in =
the kebab to declutter the interface.<br class=3D"">We traded an extra =
click for some mouse travel<br class=3D"">- Lots of people didn't =
realize there even was a right click menu because its<br class=3D"">a =
web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was =
only<br class=3D"">available in the right click menu.<br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good =
move or not. For<br class=3D"">now we want to see how it plays out, if a
=
lot of people want it back, it is<br class=3D"">certainly possible we =
will put it back.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"
class=3D"">that is something you =
are interested in. Its also much faster and better<br class=3D"">than =
before.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote
type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">The
oVirt Project is =
pleased to announce the availability of the First<br class=3D"">Beta =
Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">This is pre-release software. This
pre-release =
should not to be used<br class=3D"">in production.<br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to =
ask<br class=3D"">questions and interact with developers and users.All =
issues or bugs<br class=3D"">should be reported via oVirt =
Bugzilla[2].<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This update is
the first beta =
release of the 4.2.0 version. This<br class=3D"">release brings more =
than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand<br class=3D"">bug =
fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on<br =
class=3D"">top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> The
=
Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using<br =
class=3D""> Patternfly, a
widely adopted =
standard in web application design.<br =
class=3D""> It now features
a cleaner, more =
intuitive design, for an improved<br =
class=3D""> user
experience.<br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> There
is an =
all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.<br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> A
new High =
Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the<br =
class=3D""> New VM dialog
box in the =
Administration Portal.<br
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> Open
Virtual =
Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software<br =
class=3D""> defined
networking (SDN).<br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> oVirt
now =
supports Nvidia vGPU.<br
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> The
=
ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common<br =
class=3D""> administration
tasks.<br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> Virt-v2vnow
=
supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">For more =
information about these and other features, check out the<br =
class=3D"">oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br class=3D""><<a
=
href=3D"https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/" =
class=3D"">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-...
.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">This release is available =
now on x86_64 architecture for:<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* Red Hat =
Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* CentOS =
Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and =
ppc64le<br class=3D"">architectures for:<br
class=3D""><br class=3D"">* =
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* =
CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* =
oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">See the release notes draft [3] for
=
installation / upgrade<br class=3D"">instructions and a list of new =
features and bugs fixed.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Notes:<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">- oVirt Appliance is =
already available.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">- An async
release of =
oVirt Node will follow soon.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
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As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see
right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a
good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is
a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
Thanks for the feedback!
Oved
On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com> wrote:
Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
miss it.
With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going
to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over
Mobile!
------------------------------
*From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
*Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now
available for testing
*Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
*To:* users(a)ovirt.org
On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
object (migrate, maintenance...)
Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not
100%
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile
devices
don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
sense.
Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is
nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody
uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large
environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is
nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not
talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or
flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful
for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz
stuff.
Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for
quite a while.
- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you
can do things like copy from the menu.
- We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab
menu
available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions
as
a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the
interface.
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because
its
a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
available in the right click menu.
Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not.
For
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is
certainly possible we will put it back.
that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
than before.
On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
in production.
Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
top of oVirt 4.1 series.
What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
*
The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
user experience.
*
There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
*
A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
*
Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
defined networking (SDN).
*
oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
*
The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
administration tasks.
*
Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
For more information about these and other features, check out the
oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
architectures for:
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
Notes:
- oVirt Appliance is already available.
- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
Additional Resources:
* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
SANDRO BONAZZOLA
ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
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Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for
different proposes.
Fernando
On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
You
see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
application).
We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
Thanks for the feedback!
Oved
On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com
<mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface,
but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize
ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
> <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
> is now available for testing
> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
> *To:* users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>
>
> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>
>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>> Because,
>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>> interact with
>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>
>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>
>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and
>> while its not 100%
>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>> Mobile devices
>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
>> make no
>> sense.
> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
> manage their large environments. If having both options where you
> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock
> Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility
> and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>
> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
> be for quite a while.
>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>> ours and you
>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>> buttons/kebab menu
>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>> used actions as
>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>> the interface.
>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click
>> menu because its
>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>> was only
>> available in the right click menu.
>>
>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
>> or not. For
>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>> back, it is
>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>
>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
>>>> and better
>>>> than before.
>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of
>>>>>> the First
>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to
>>>>>> be used
>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to
ask
>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues
>>>>>> or bugs
>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version.
This
>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one
>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity
>>>>>> fixes, on
>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely
>>>>>> redesigned using
>>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
>>>>>> application design.
>>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for
>>>>>> an improved
>>>>>> user experience.
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been
>>>>>> added to the
>>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open
>>>>>> vSwitch software
>>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with
common
>>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check
>>>>>> out the
>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter:
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG
>>>>>> VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/
>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAJ_kCt6q9Q+B-1qVgrUdZwOOeTkuWwLiYUs1bGpeyYoZhpo9HA@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="auto">As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but
not the only one. You see right click less and less in web
applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience.
This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework
we heavily use throughout the application).
<div dir="auto"><br>
<div dir="auto">We will however consider bringing this back if
there will be high demand. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks for the feedback!</div>
<div dir="auto">Oved </div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell
Budic" <<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">budic(a)onholyground.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Agreed.
I use the right click functionality all the time and will
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile
interface, but I’m never going to use it for primary work.
Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a
href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;</font></span><br>
<span><font style="font:13.0px
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[ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
Release is now available for
testing</font></span><br>
<span><font style="font:13.0px
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face="Helvetica"
size="4"><b>Date:</b> October
31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT</font></span><br>
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<br
class="m_-768768173616435518Apple-interchange-newline">
<div><br
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<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">On
31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:</span><br
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<blockquote type="cite"
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
Will the right click dialog be available in
the final release? Because,<br>
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right
corner to interact with<br>
object (migrate, maintenance...)<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br>
<br>
Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br>
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile
friendly, and while its not 100%<br>
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a
mobile device now. Mobile devices<br>
don't have a right click, so hiding
functionality in there would make no<br>
sense.<br>
</blockquote>
<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Please
don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While
mobile usage is nice to have in "certain"
situations. In real day by day operation nobody
uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
manage their large environments. If having both
options where you can switch between then is
nice, but if something should prevail should
always be Desktop. We are not talking about a
Stock Trading interface or something you need
that level or flexibility and mobility to do
static things anytime anywhere.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">So
I beg you to consider well before remove things
which are pretty useful for a day by day and
real management usage because of a new trend or
buzz stuff.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Right
click is always on popular on Desktop
enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<blockquote type="cite"
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">-
You can now right click and get the browsers
menu instead of ours and you<br>
can do things like copy from the menu.<br>
- We replicated all the functionality from the
menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br>
available on the right. Our goal was to have all
the commonly used actions as<br>
a button, and less often used actions in the
kebab to declutter the interface.<br>
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel<br>
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a
right click menu because its<br>
a web interface, and they couldn't find some
functionality that was only<br>
available in the right click menu.<br>
<br>
Now that being said, we are still debating if it
was a good move or not. For<br>
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of
people want it back, it is<br>
certainly possible we will put it back.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">that is something you
are interested in. Its also much faster and
better<br>
than before.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 31/10/2017 10:13,
Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The oVirt Project
is pleased to announce the availability
of the First<br>
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of
October 31st, 2017<br>
<br>
<br>
This is pre-release software. This
pre-release should not to be used<br>
in production.<br>
<br>
Please take a look at our community
page[1] to learn how to ask<br>
questions and interact with developers
and users.All issues or bugs<br>
should be reported via oVirt
Bugzilla[2].<br>
<br>
This update is the first beta release of
the 4.2.0 version. This<br>
release brings more than 230
enhancements and more than one thousand<br>
bug fixes, including more than 380 high
or urgent severity fixes, on<br>
top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br>
<br>
<br>
What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br>
<br>
*<br>
The Administration Portalhas
been completely redesigned using<br>
Patternfly, a widely adopted
standard in web application design.<br>
It now features a cleaner, more
intuitive design, for an improved<br>
user experience.<br>
*<br>
There is an all-new VM Portalfor
non-admin users.<br>
*<br>
A new High Performance virtual
machinetype has been added to the<br>
New VM dialog box in the
Administration Portal.<br>
*<br>
Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds
support for Open vSwitch software<br>
defined networking (SDN).<br>
*<br>
oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.<br>
*<br>
The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage
helps users with common<br>
administration tasks.<br>
*<br>
Virt-v2vnow supports
Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br>
<br>
For more information about these and
other features, check out the<br>
oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br>
<<a
href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/<wbr&g...
<br>
<br>
This release is available now on x86_64
architecture for:<br>
<br>
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
<br>
This release supports Hypervisor Hosts
on x86_64 and ppc64le<br>
architectures for:<br>
<br>
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64
only)<br>
<br>
<br>
See the release notes draft [3] for
installation / upgrade<br>
instructions and a list of new features
and bugs fixed.<br>
<br>
<br>
Notes:<br>
<br>
- oVirt Appliance is already available.<br>
<br>
- An async release of oVirt Node will
follow soon.<br>
<br>
<br>
Additional Resources:<br>
<br>
* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0
release highlights:<br>
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target="_blank"
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1:06 p.m.
This is UXD guideline around web applications.
Some will like it more, and some won't understand why they don't see the
browser menu they expect when they right click.
There is no "one size fits all here", but that's the guideline we followed.
On Oct 31, 2017 8:01 PM, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
wrote:
Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for
different proposes.
Fernando
On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see
right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a
good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is
a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
Thanks for the feedback!
Oved
On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com> wrote:
> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss
> it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never
> going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop
> over Mobile!
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now
> available for testing
> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
> *To:* users(a)ovirt.org
>
>
> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>
>
> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,
> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with
> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>
> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>
> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not
> 100%
> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile
> devices
> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no
> sense.
>
> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is
> nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody
> uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large
> environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is
> nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not
> talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or
> flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>
> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty
> useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or
> buzz stuff.
> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for
> quite a while.
>
> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and
> you
> can do things like copy from the menu.
> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab
> menu
> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used
> actions as
> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the
> interface.
> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because
> its
> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only
> available in the right click menu.
>
> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not.
> For
> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it
> is
> certainly possible we will put it back.
>
> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better
> than before.
>
> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>
> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First
> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>
>
> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used
> in production.
>
> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs
> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>
> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand
> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on
> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>
>
> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>
> *
> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using
> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.
> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved
> user experience.
> *
> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
> *
> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the
> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
> *
> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software
> defined networking (SDN).
> *
> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
> *
> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
> administration tasks.
> *
> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>
> For more information about these and other features, check out the
> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
>
>
> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>
> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>
> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>
>
> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
> architectures for:
>
> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>
> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>
> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>
>
> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>
>
> Notes:
>
> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>
> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>
>
> Additional Resources:
>
> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>
> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt
>
> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>
>
> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>
> [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>
> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>
> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>
>
> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>
> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>
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>
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This is UXD guideline around web applications.
=20
Some will like it more, and some won't understand why they don't see =
the
browser menu they expect when they right click.=20
=20
There is no "one size fits all here", but that's the guideline we =
followed.=20
That=E2=80=99s very true. I haven=E2=80=99t read the paternfly =
guidelines, but is there an option for a modifier click? Or I might =
suggest that the machine icon could be overloaded with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=
=80=9D right click menu on click for that little bit of extra =
functionality?
On Oct 31, 2017 8:01 PM, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" =
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> wrote:
Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for
=
different proposes.
=20
Fernando
=20
On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. =
You see
right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't =
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline =
(patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).=20=
>=20
> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high =
demand.=20
>=20
> Thanks for the feedback!
> Oved=20
>=20
> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com =
<mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
=
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but =
I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize =
ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>=20
>=20
>> From: FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com =
<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
Release is =
now available for testing
>> Date: October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>> To: users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? =
Because,
>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner
to interact =
with
>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>=20
>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>=20
>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while =
its
not 100%
>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile
device now. =
Mobile devices
>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in
there would =
make no
>>> sense.
>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage =
is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation =
nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their =
large environments. If having both options where you can switch between =
then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. =
We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need =
that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime =
anywhere.
>>=20
>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty =
useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend =
or buzz stuff.
>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and
will be =
for quite a while.
>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu
instead of ours =
and you
>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the =
buttons/kebab menu
>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the
commonly used =
actions as
>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to
declutter the =
interface.
>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu =
because its
>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some
functionality that was =
only
>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>=20
>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or =
not. For
>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people
want it =
back, it is
>>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>>=20
>>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and =
better
>>>>> than before.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of
=
the First
>>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of
October 31st, 2017
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to
be =
used
>>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to
ask
>>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues
or =
bugs
>>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt
Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. =
This
>>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements
and more than one =
thousand
>>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high
or urgent severity =
fixes, on
>>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely
redesigned =
using
>>>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted
standard in web application =
design.
>>>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more
intuitive design, for an =
improved
>>>>>>> user experience.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been =
added to the
>>>>>>> New VM dialog box in the
Administration Portal.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open
vSwitch =
software
>>>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with
common
>>>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check
out =
the
>>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/ =
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ =
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ =
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: =
https://twitter.com/ovirt <https://twitter.com/ovirt>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
<http://www.ovirt.org/blog/>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ =
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/ =
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> [2] =
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt =
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt>>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ =
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ =
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ =
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG =
VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/ =
<https://www.redhat.com/>>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig <https://red.ht/sig>>
>>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted =
<https://redhat.com/trusted>>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/ =
<http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>>
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
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>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">This is UXD guideline around web =
applications.<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto"=
class=3D"">Some will like it more, and some won't understand why they =
don't see the browser menu they expect when they right =
click. </div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br
class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">There is no "one size fits all
here", but that's =
the guideline we =
followed. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br
=
class=3D""></div>That=E2=80=99s very true. I haven=E2=80=99t read the
=
paternfly guidelines, but is there an option for a modifier click? Or I =
might suggest that the machine icon could be overloaded with the =
=E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D right click menu on click for that little bit of =
extra functionality?<br class=3D""><div><br
class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><br
class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><br
class=3D""></div><div><br
class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 31,
2017 8:01 =
PM, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <<a
href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" =
class=3D"">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
type=3D"attribution" class=3D""><blockquote
class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"
class=3D""><p =
class=3D"">Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of =
them
for different proposes.</p><p class=3D"">Fernando<br
class=3D"">
</p>
<br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"m_-2380968059041718298moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/2017 =
15:57, Oved Ourfali
wrote:<br class=3D"">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">As mentioned earlier, this is
one =
motivation but
not the only one. You see right click less and less in web
applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience.
This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework
we heavily use throughout the application).
<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br
class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">We will however consider
bringing =
this back if
there will be high demand. </div>
<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br
class=3D"">
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Thanks for the
feedback!</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"
class=3D"">Oved </div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell
Budic" <<a href=3D"mailto:budic@onholyground.com" =
target=3D"_blank"
class=3D"">budic(a)onholyground.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution" class=3D"">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" =
class=3D"">Agreed.
I use the right click functionality all the time and will
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile
interface, but I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for =
primary work.
Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<hr style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df =
1.0pt;padding:0 0 0 0;margin:10px 0 5px 0" class=3D""><span =
id=3D"m_-2380968059041718298m_-768768173616435518RwhHeaderAttributes" =
class=3D""><font style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: =
normal; font-family: Helvetica;" face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b>
FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;</font></span><br
class=3D"">
<span class=3D""><font style=3D"font-style:
normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; =
font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" class=3D""><b
class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re:
[ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
Release is now available for =
testing</font></span><br class=3D"">
<span class=3D""><font style=3D"font-style:
normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; =
font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" class=3D""><b
class=3D"">Date:</b> October
31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT</font></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span class=3D""><font style=3D"font-style:
normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; =
font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" class=3D""><b
class=3D"">To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">users(a)ovirt.org</a></font></span><br
class=3D"">
<br =
class=3D"m_-2380968059041718298m_-768768173616435518Apple-interchange-newl=
ine">
<div class=3D""><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">On
31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels =
wrote:</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
Will the right click dialog be available in
the final release? Because,<br class=3D"">
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right
corner to interact with<br class=3D"">
object (migrate, maintenance...)<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</blockquote>
Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br =
class=3D"">
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile
friendly, and while its not 100%<br class=3D"">
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a
mobile device now. Mobile devices<br class=3D"">
don't have a right click, so hiding
functionality in there would make no<br =
class=3D"">
sense.<br class=3D"">
</blockquote>
<span =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">Please
don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While
mobile usage is nice to have in "certain"
situations. In real day by day operation nobody
uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
manage their large environments. If having both
options where you can switch between then is
nice, but if something should prevail should
always be Desktop. We are not talking about a
Stock Trading interface or something you need
that level or flexibility and mobility to do
static things anytime anywhere.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
<br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">So
I beg you to consider well before remove things
which are pretty useful for a day by day and
real management usage because of a new trend or
buzz stuff.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">Right
click is always on popular on Desktop
enviroments and will be for quite a =
while.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">-
You can now right click and get the browsers
menu instead of ours and you<br class=3D"">
can do things like copy from the menu.<br =
class=3D"">
- We replicated all the functionality from the
menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br class=3D"">
available on the right. Our goal was to have all
the commonly used actions as<br class=3D"">
a button, and less often used actions in the
kebab to declutter the interface.<br class=3D"">
We traded an extra click for some mouse =
travel<br class=3D"">
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a
right click menu because its<br class=3D"">
a web interface, and they couldn't find some
functionality that was only<br class=3D"">
available in the right click menu.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Now that being said, we are still debating if it
was a good move or not. For<br class=3D"">
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of
people want it back, it is<br class=3D"">
certainly possible we will put it back.<br =
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Hey, for sporadic use, you will get used to the new interface soon enough.
For very repetitive tasks, you will probably be using the API anyway.
While I was happy with the old GUI, I do not see anything wrong with the
new one.
@devs: Thanks for the new version!
Eduardo Mayoral Jimeno (emayoral(a)arsys.es)
Administrador de sistemas. Departamento de Plataformas. Arsys internet.
+34 941 620 145 ext. 5153
On 31/10/17 19:01, FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for
different proposes.
Fernando
On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
> You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
> guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
> application).
>
> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high
> demand.
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
> Oved
>
> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com
> <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>
> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface,
> but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize
> ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
>> <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
>> Release is now available for testing
>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>> *To:* users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>
>>
>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>> Because,
>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>> interact with
>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>
>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>
>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and
>>> while its not 100%
>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>> Mobile devices
>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there
>>> would make no
>>> sense.
>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by
>> day operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments
>> and manage their large environments. If having both options
>> where you can switch between then is nice, but if something
>> should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking
>> about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level
>> or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>
>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
>> be for quite a while.
>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>>> ours and you
>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>>> buttons/kebab menu
>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>>> used actions as
>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>>> the interface.
>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click
>>> menu because its
>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>>> was only
>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>
>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good
>>> move or not. For
>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>>> back, it is
>>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>>
>>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
>>>>> and better
>>>>> than before.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the
availability
>>>>>>> of the First
>>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should
not
>>>>>>> to be used
>>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how
to ask
>>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All
issues
>>>>>>> or bugs
>>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0
version.
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than
one
>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent
severity
>>>>>>> fixes, on
>>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely
>>>>>>> redesigned using
>>>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
>>>>>>> application design.
>>>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design,
for
>>>>>>> an improved
>>>>>>> user experience.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin
users.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has
been
>>>>>>> added to the
>>>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open
>>>>>>> vSwitch software
>>>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with
common
>>>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For more information about these and other features,
check
>>>>>>> out the
>>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture
for:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and
ppc64le
>>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation /
upgrade
>>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>>>>
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<p>Hey, for sporadic use, you will get used to the new interface
soon enough.</p>
<p>For very repetitive tasks, you will probably be using the API
anyway.</p>
<p>While I was happy with the old GUI, I do not see anything wrong
with the new one.</p>
<p>@devs: Thanks for the new version! <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/17 19:01, FERNANDO FREDIANI
wrote:<br>
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<p>Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of
them for different proposes.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but
not the only one. You see right click less and less in web
applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience.
This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a
framework we heavily use throughout the application).
<div dir="auto"><br>
<div dir="auto">We will however consider bringing this back
if there will be high demand. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for the feedback!</div>
<div dir="auto">Oved </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell
Budic" <<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com"
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<div
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Agreed.
I use the right click functionality all the time and
will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a
mobile interface, but I’m never going to use it for
primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop
over Mobile!
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<span><font style="font:13.0px
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size="4"
face="Helvetica"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
Release is now available for
testing</font></span><br>
<span><font style="font:13.0px
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size="4"
face="Helvetica"><b>Date:</b> October
31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT</font></span><br>
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<span
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31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:</span><br
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
Will the right click dialog be available in
the final release? Because,<br>
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up
right corner to interact with<br>
object (migrate, maintenance...)<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br>
<br>
Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br>
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile
friendly, and while its not 100%<br>
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a
mobile device now. Mobile devices<br>
don't have a right click, so hiding
functionality in there would make no<br>
sense.<br>
</blockquote>
<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Please
don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage.
While mobile usage is nice to have in
"certain" situations. In real day by day
operation nobody uses mobile devices to do
their deployments and manage their large
environments. If having both options where you
can switch between then is nice, but if
something should prevail should always be
Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock
Trading interface or something you need that
level or flexibility and mobility to do static
things anytime anywhere.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">So
I beg you to consider well before remove
things which are pretty useful for a day by
day and real management usage because of a new
trend or buzz stuff.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Right
click is always on popular on Desktop
enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<blockquote type="cite"
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You can now right click and get the browsers
menu instead of ours and you<br>
can do things like copy from the menu.<br>
- We replicated all the functionality from the
menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br>
available on the right. Our goal was to have
all the commonly used actions as<br>
a button, and less often used actions in the
kebab to declutter the interface.<br>
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel<br>
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was
a right click menu because its<br>
a web interface, and they couldn't find some
functionality that was only<br>
available in the right click menu.<br>
<br>
Now that being said, we are still debating if
it was a good move or not. For<br>
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot
of people want it back, it is<br>
certainly possible we will put it back.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">that is something
you are interested in. Its also much
faster and better<br>
than before.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 31/10/2017
10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The oVirt
Project is pleased to announce the
availability of the First<br>
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of
October 31st, 2017<br>
<br>
<br>
This is pre-release software. This
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<br>
Please take a look at our community
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should be reported via oVirt
Bugzilla[2].<br>
<br>
This update is the first beta release
of the 4.2.0 version. This<br>
release brings more than 230
enhancements and more than one
thousand<br>
bug fixes, including more than 380
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top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br>
<br>
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*<br>
The Administration Portalhas
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On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:
As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
application).
Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses. I'd argue
that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.
Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if
everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list.
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11:21 a.m.
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Robert Story <rstory(a)isi.edu> wrote:
On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:
> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
> You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
> guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
> application).
Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses.
Actually, PatternFly is focused on enterprise applications.
http://www.patternfly.org/community/
"PatternFly is a community of designers and developers collaborating to
build a UI framework for enterprise web applications"
It is based on Bootstrap, and Bootstrap preaches mobile-friendly and
mobile-first. But agreed with the previous point that we should respect the
non-mobile users since that's how the majority of people currently use
oVirt.
I'd argue
that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.
What are people's opinions on an "actions" button on the far right of the
tables?
See #6 here:
http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/content-views/table-view/#/design
Would that be an adequate substitute for right-clicking?
Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if
everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list.
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Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and
that is not the case.
Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that
may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that
will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be
considered masses in that sense.
Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones
to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a
Mouse ;-)
Fernando
On 01/11/2017 13:25, Robert Story wrote:
On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:
> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
> You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
> guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
> application).
Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses. I'd argue
that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.
Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if
everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list.
2:19 p.m.
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
wrote:
Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as
mentioned and that
is not the case.
Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that
may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that
will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be
considered masses in that sense.
Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones
to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse
;-)
In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)
Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive
screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it
comfortable to have.
I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about
it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
just on top and not far away from the email list).
Y.
Fernando
On 01/11/2017 13:25, Robert Story wrote:
> On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:
>
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
>> You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly
>> guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
>> application).
>>
> Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses. I'd argue
> that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
> technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.
>
> Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if
> everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list.
>
>
>
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I'd argue
that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more
technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.
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Would that be an adequate substitute for right-clicking?
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On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
You
see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guidelin=
e
(patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the
application).=C2=
=A0
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We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high deman=
d.=20
I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
Cheers, Jiri
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Thanks for the feedback!
Oved=C2=A0
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On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com
<mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
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Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, bu=
t
I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for primary work. Please
prioriti=
ze ease
of use on Desktop over Mobile!
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> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
> <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
> is now available for testing
> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
> *To:* users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>
>
> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>
>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>> Because,
>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>> interact with
>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>
>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>
>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while=
>> its not 100%
>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>> Mobile devices
>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
>> make no
>> sense.
> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
> manage their large environments. If having both options where you
> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading=
> interface or something you need that level or flexibility
and
> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>
> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
> be for quite a while.
>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>> ours and you
>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>> buttons/kebab menu
>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>> used actions as
>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>> the interface.
>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu=
>> because its
>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>> was only
>> available in the right click menu.
>>
>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
>> or not. For
>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>> back, it is
>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>
>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
>>>> and better
>>>> than before.
>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of
>>>>>> the First
>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to
>>>>>> be used
>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to
a=
sk
>>>>>> questions and interact with developers
and users.All issues
>>>>>> or bugs
>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version.
T=
his
>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements
and more than one
>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity
>>>>>> fixes, on
>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0*
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The
Administr=
ation Portalhas been completely
>>>>>> redesigned using
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Patternfly, a widely adopted
st=
andard in web application
>>>>>> design.
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0It now features a cleaner,
more=
intuitive design, for an
>>>>>> improved
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0user experience.
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0*
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0There is an
a=
ll-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0*
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0A new High
Pe=
rformance virtual machinetype has been
>>>>>> added to the
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0New VM dialog box in the
Admini=
stration Portal.
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0*
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Open Virtual
=
Network (OVN)adds support for Open
>>>>>> vSwitch software
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0*
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0oVirt now
sup=
ports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0*
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The
ovirt-ans=
ible-rolespackage helps users with common
>>>>>>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0administration tasks.
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0*
>>>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Virt-v2vnow
s=
upports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check
>>>>>> out the
>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter:
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoV=
irt
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt>
Virt
Virt>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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5:46 p.m.
I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.
I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
stable, clean and useful.
The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
futures are the secondary tasks for me.
For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
they can use mOvirt app.
I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
advertised futures to make them stable.
as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
- please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution
- one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
the first point, not the right click one:).
- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
- strong solution with a multirail HA storage
- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
half-solved problems.
Greetings from Potsdam,
Arman.
PS
an Ovirt user since 3.x
8hosts >50Vms
4hosts > 6VMS
10G,IB,RDMA.
looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.slezka(a)slu.cz> wrote:
On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
>
> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
Cheers, Jiri
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
> Oved
>
> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com
> <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>
> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
> I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
> of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
>> <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
>> is now available for testing
>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>> *To:* users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>
>>
>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>> Because,
>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>> interact with
>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>
>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>
>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
>>> its not 100%
>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>> Mobile devices
>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
>>> make no
>>> sense.
>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
>> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
>> manage their large environments. If having both options where you
>> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
>> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading
>> interface or something you need that level or flexibility and
>> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>
>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
>> be for quite a while.
>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>>> ours and you
>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>>> buttons/kebab menu
>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>>> used actions as
>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>>> the interface.
>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu
>>> because its
>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>>> was only
>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>
>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
>>> or not. For
>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>>> back, it is
>>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>>
>>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
>>>>> and better
>>>>> than before.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability
of
>>>>>>> the First
>>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not
to
>>>>>>> be used
>>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how
to ask
>>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All
issues
>>>>>>> or bugs
>>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0
version. This
>>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than
one
>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent
severity
>>>>>>> fixes, on
>>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely
>>>>>>> redesigned using
>>>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
application
>>>>>>> design.
>>>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design,
for an
>>>>>>> improved
>>>>>>> user experience.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin
users.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has
been
>>>>>>> added to the
>>>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open
>>>>>>> vSwitch software
>>>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with
common
>>>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For more information about these and other features,
check
>>>>>>> out the
>>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture
for:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and
ppc64le
>>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation /
upgrade
>>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter:
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG
>>>>>>> VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.
<https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/
>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>
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6:31 p.m.
Have you stopped supporting Fedora for new releases? I dont' see it in the
list and the most recent fedora in the mirror list on the previous release
was 24.
1:21 a.m.
2017-11-03 0:31 GMT+01:00 Nehemiah Dacres <vivacarlie(a)gmail.com>:
Have you stopped supporting Fedora for new releases? I dont' see
it in
the list and the most recent fedora in the mirror list on the previous
release was 24.
Yes, sadly Fedora is moving too fast to be able to match the changes
they've introduced between Fedora 24 and Fedora 27 which will be GA next
week.
I hope we'll be able to re-align with Fedora with oVirt 4.3.
--
SANDRO BONAZZOLA
ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
<https://red.ht/sig>
TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
<http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
6:47 a.m.
+1 for complete diskless hosts
-1 for mobile usability over desktop :-)
Regards
Fernando
On 02/11/2017 20:46, Arman Khalatyan wrote:
I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.
I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
stable, clean and useful.
The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
futures are the secondary tasks for me.
For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
they can use mOvirt app.
I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
advertised futures to make them stable.
as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
- please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution
- one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
the first point, not the right click one:).
- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
- strong solution with a multirail HA storage
- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
half-solved problems.
Greetings from Potsdam,
Arman.
PS
an Ovirt user since 3.x
8hosts >50Vms
4hosts > 6VMS
10G,IB,RDMA.
looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.slezka(a)slu.cz> wrote:
> On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
>> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
>> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
>>
>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
> I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
> clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
> possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
> This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
>
> Cheers, Jiri
>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Oved
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com
>> <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
>> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
>> I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
>> of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>>
>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
>>> <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
>>> is now available for testing
>>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>>> *To:* users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>>> Because,
>>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>>> interact with
>>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>>
>>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
>>>> its not 100%
>>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>>> Mobile devices
>>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there
would
>>>> make no
>>>> sense.
>>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by
day
>>> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
>>> manage their large environments. If having both options where you
>>> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
>>> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading
>>> interface or something you need that level or flexibility and
>>> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>>
>>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
>>> be for quite a while.
>>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>>>> ours and you
>>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>>>> buttons/kebab menu
>>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>>>> used actions as
>>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>>>> the interface.
>>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click
menu
>>>> because its
>>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>>>> was only
>>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>>
>>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
>>>> or not. For
>>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>>>> back, it is
>>>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>>>
>>>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much
faster
>>>>>> and better
>>>>>> than before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the
availability of
>>>>>>>> the First
>>>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st,
2017
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release
should not to
>>>>>>>> be used
>>>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn
how to ask
>>>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All
issues
>>>>>>>> or bugs
>>>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0
version. This
>>>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more
than one
>>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent
severity
>>>>>>>> fixes, on
>>>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been
completely
>>>>>>>> redesigned using
>>>>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
application
>>>>>>>> design.
>>>>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive
design, for an
>>>>>>>> improved
>>>>>>>> user experience.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin
users.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype
has been
>>>>>>>> added to the
>>>>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration
Portal.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for
Open
>>>>>>>> vSwitch software
>>>>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users
with common
>>>>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based
VMs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For more information about these and other features,
check
>>>>>>>> out the
>>>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
>>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture
for:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and
ppc64le
>>>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation /
upgrade
>>>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs
fixed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release
highlights:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter:
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt
blog:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [4]
http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG
>>>>>>>> VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.
<https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>
<http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
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>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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8:47 a.m.
On Nov 3, 2017 13:48, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
wrote:
+1 for complete diskless hosts
-1 for mobile usability over desktop :-)
That was mentioned as one motivation, but as I've explained earlier it is
definitely not the main one.
Regards,
Oved
Regards
Fernando
On 02/11/2017 20:46, Arman Khalatyan wrote:
I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.
I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
stable, clean and useful.
The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
futures are the secondary tasks for me.
For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
they can use mOvirt app.
I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
advertised futures to make them stable.
as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
- please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution
- one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
the first point, not the right click one:).
- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
- strong solution with a multirail HA storage
- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
half-solved problems.
Greetings from Potsdam,
Arman.
PS
an Ovirt user since 3.x
8hosts >50Vms
4hosts > 6VMS
10G,IB,RDMA.
looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.slezka(a)slu.cz> wrote:
> On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
>> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
>> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
>>
>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.
>>
> I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
> clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
> possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
> This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
>
> Cheers, Jiri
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Oved
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com
>> <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
>> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
>> I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
>> of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>> -------------
>>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
>>> <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
>>> is now available for testing
>>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>>> *To:* users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>>> Because,
>>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>>> interact with
>>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
>>>> its not 100%
>>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>>> Mobile devices
>>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there
would
>>>> make no
>>>> sense.
>>>>
>>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by
day
>>> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
>>> manage their large environments. If having both options where you
>>> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
>>> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading
>>> interface or something you need that level or flexibility and
>>> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>>
>>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
>>> be for quite a while.
>>>
>>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>>>> ours and you
>>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>>>> buttons/kebab menu
>>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>>>> used actions as
>>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>>>> the interface.
>>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click
menu
>>>> because its
>>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>>>> was only
>>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>>
>>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
>>>> or not. For
>>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>>>> back, it is
>>>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>>>
>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
>>>>>> and better
>>>>>> than before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the
availability of
>>>>>>>> the First
>>>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st,
2017
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release
should not to
>>>>>>>> be used
>>>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn
how to
>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All
issues
>>>>>>>> or bugs
>>>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0
version.
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more
than one
>>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent
severity
>>>>>>>> fixes, on
>>>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been
completely
>>>>>>>> redesigned using
>>>>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
application
>>>>>>>> design.
>>>>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive
design, for an
>>>>>>>> improved
>>>>>>>> user experience.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin
users.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype
has been
>>>>>>>> added to the
>>>>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration
Portal.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for
Open
>>>>>>>> vSwitch software
>>>>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users
with common
>>>>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based
VMs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For more information about these and other features,
check
>>>>>>>> out the
>>>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
>>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture
for:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and
ppc64le
>>>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation /
upgrade
>>>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs
fixed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release
highlights:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter:
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt
blog:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oV
>>>>>>>> irt
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oV
>>>>>>>> irt>
>>>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=o
>>>>>>>> Virt
>>>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=o
>>>>>>>> Virt>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [4]
http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG
>>>>>>>> VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.
<https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>
<http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Users mailing list
>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>
>>
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>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>
>>
>>
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8:48 a.m.
-1 for mobile usability over desktop
Please keep the "Richt Click" Funktion.
On 11/03/2017 12:47 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
+1 for complete diskless hosts
-1 for mobile usability over desktop :-)
Regards
Fernando
--
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Systems Administrator
Kunsthochschule für Medien Köln
Peter-Welter-Platz 2
50676 Köln
fon: +49(221)20189-223
fax: +49(221)20189-49223
2:10 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Arman Khalatyan <arm2arm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.
I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
stable, clean and useful.
The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
futures are the secondary tasks for me.
For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
they can use mOvirt app.
I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
advertised futures to make them stable.
as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
- please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution
- one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
the first point, not the right click one:).
This is a bit more complex than you assume.
- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
This makes no sense whatsoever. We'd like to integrate with best of breed
projects, not replace them.
- strong solution with a multirail HA storage
I'm not familiar with the term - can you expand on this?
- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
Boot from SAN for example?
- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
Again, I assume a separate utility can probably do a better job.
- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
Metrics are in the works with Elastic and Kibana. DWH is still there.
Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
half-solved problems.
Patches are welcome, of course.
Y.
Greetings from Potsdam,
Arman.
PS
an Ovirt user since 3.x
8hosts >50Vms
4hosts > 6VMS
10G,IB,RDMA.
looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.slezka(a)slu.cz> wrote:
> On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
>> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
>> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
>>
>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high
demand.
>
> I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
> clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
> possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
> This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
>
> Cheers, Jiri
>
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Oved
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com
>> <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
>> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
>> I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
>> of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>>
>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
>>> <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
>>> is now available for testing
>>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>>> *To:* users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>>> Because,
>>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>>> interact with
>>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>>
>>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
>>>> its not 100%
>>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>>> Mobile devices
>>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there
would
>>>> make no
>>>> sense.
>>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by
day
>>> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
>>> manage their large environments. If having both options where you
>>> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
>>> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading
>>> interface or something you need that level or flexibility and
>>> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>>>
>>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
>>> be for quite a while.
>>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>>>> ours and you
>>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>>>> buttons/kebab menu
>>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>>>> used actions as
>>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>>>> the interface.
>>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click
menu
>>>> because its
>>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>>>> was only
>>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>>
>>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
>>>> or not. For
>>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>>>> back, it is
>>>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>>>
>>>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much
faster
>>>>>> and better
>>>>>> than before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the
availability of
>>>>>>>> the First
>>>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st,
2017
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release
should not to
>>>>>>>> be used
>>>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn
how to
ask
>>>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All
issues
>>>>>>>> or bugs
>>>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0
version.
This
>>>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more
than one
>>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent
severity
>>>>>>>> fixes, on
>>>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been
completely
>>>>>>>> redesigned using
>>>>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
application
>>>>>>>> design.
>>>>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive
design, for an
>>>>>>>> improved
>>>>>>>> user experience.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin
users.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype
has been
>>>>>>>> added to the
>>>>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration
Portal.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for
Open
>>>>>>>> vSwitch software
>>>>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users
with common
>>>>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based
VMs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For more information about these and other features,
check
>>>>>>>> out the
>>>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
>>>>>>>>
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture
for:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and
ppc64le
>>>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation /
upgrade
>>>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs
fixed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release
highlights:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter:
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt
blog:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=
oVirt <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=
oVirt
>>>>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=
oVirt>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [4]
http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>>>
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG
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>>>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.
<https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>>
>>>>>>>>
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On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
> Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and
> that is not the case.
>
> Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that
> may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience
that
> will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be
> considered masses in that sense.
>
> Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones
> to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse
> ;-)
In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)
Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive
screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it
comfortable to have.
I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about
it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
just on top and not far away from the email list).
Y.
Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!
After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team, we're
going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be merged
in the next week.
[image: Inline image 1]
Best wishes,
Greg
--
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Red Hat NA
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Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well.
Keep up the good work.
Fernando
On 07/11/2017 16:45, Greg Sheremeta wrote:
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul(a)redhat.com
<mailto:ykaul@redhat.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI
<fernando.frediani(a)upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> wrote:
Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as
mentioned and that is not the case.
Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing
stuff that may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff'
considering the audience that will use it is even better
practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be considered masses
in that sense.
Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or
Mobile Phones to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use
Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse ;-)
In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)
Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a
touch-sensitive screen. And a long press is equal to right click
and I do find it comfortable to have.
I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned
about it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the
buttons are just on top and not far away from the email list).
Y.
Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!
After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team,
we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should
be merged in the next week.
Inline image 1
Best wishes,
Greg
--
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SENIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER - TEAM LEAD - RHV UX
Red Hat NA
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<p>Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv
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class="m_1210175037987748530gmail-">On Wed, Nov 1,
2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Agreed.
Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as
mentioned and that is not the case.<br>
<br>
Applying guidelines is something very good to
do, by removing stuff that may only be 'recent
trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience
that will use it is even better practice. I
don't think oVirt Admins can be considered
masses in that sense.<br>
<br>
Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using
Tablets or Mobile Phones to manage their
infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops
and a Mouse ;-)</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>In all the cool television show they have a
tablet ;-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Seriously though, today more and more laptops
have a touch-sensitive screen. And a long press is
equal to right click and I do find it comfortable
to have. </div>
<div>I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but
since I've learned about it, I've been using it
and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
just on top and not far away from the email list).</div>
<span
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color="#888888">
<div>Y.</div>
</font></span></div>
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</div>
<div>Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After some team discussion and consultation with the
PatternFly team, we're going to re-add a right-click menu
for the grids. A patch should be merged in the next week.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><img src="cid:part3.B7330127.56F01EDA@upx.com"
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<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div>Greg</div>
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1:07 a.m.
Thanks for the feedback!
Note that the right click added will contain the buttons that are at the
upper panel, as those are expected to be the ones used mostly.
It will only contain single buttons (not menus), as currently there is no
representation of sub menus on right click in bootstrap.
It will not contain the buttons that appear when you press the three dots.
If one of these buttons is widely used, it should move to the action panel
(requires code change), and then it will also be automatically added to the
context menu (no code change needed).
Cheers,
Oved
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:32 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
wrote:
> Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Fernando
>
> On 07/11/2017 16:45, Greg Sheremeta wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul(a)redhat.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned
and
>>> that is not the case.
>>>
>>> Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that
>>> may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the
audience that
>>> will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be
>>> considered masses in that sense.
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones
>>> to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse
>>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)
>>
>> Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive
>> screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it
>> comfortable to have.
>> I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about
>> it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
>> just on top and not far away from the email list).
>> Y.
>>
>
> Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!
>
> After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team,
> we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be
> merged in the next week.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Greg
>
> --
>
> GREG SHEREMETA
>
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>
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6:13 p.m.
The patch [1] is merged (thanks Alexander), and thus the next 4.2 build
will have the menu.
Best wishes,
Greg
[1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/83729/
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:07 AM, Oved Ourfali <oourfali(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback!
Note that the right click added will contain the buttons that are at the
upper panel, as those are expected to be the ones used mostly.
It will only contain single buttons (not menus), as currently there is no
representation of sub menus on right click in bootstrap.
It will not contain the buttons that appear when you press the three dots.
If one of these buttons is widely used, it should move to the action panel
(requires code change), and then it will also be automatically added to the
context menu (no code change needed).
Cheers,
Oved
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:32 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
> Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Fernando
>
> On 07/11/2017 16:45, Greg Sheremeta wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <
>> fernando.frediani(a)upx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned
and
>>> that is not the case.
>>>
>>> Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff
>>> that may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering
the audience
>>> that will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can
be
>>> considered masses in that sense.
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile
>>> Phones to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a
>>> Mouse ;-)
>>
>>
>> In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)
>>
>> Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive
>> screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it
>> comfortable to have.
>> I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about
>> it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are
>> just on top and not far away from the email list).
>> Y.
>>
>
> Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!
>
> After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team,
> we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be
> merged in the next week.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Greg
>
> --
>
> GREG SHEREMETA
>
> SENIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER - TEAM LEAD - RHV UX
>
> Red Hat NA
>
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