3:40 p.m.
There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt, but with RHGS and RHV
having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut down in Q2.
So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to oVirt because they
had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
Let's post what we find here in this thread.
4:03 p.m.
Moin,
We will take a look into proxmox.
Hyper v is also eol, if server server2022 is standard.
Br
Marcel
Am 5. Februar 2022 13:40:30 MEZ schrieb Thomas Hoberg <thomas(a)hoberg.net>:
There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
but with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut down in Q2.
So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to oVirt because they
had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
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5:58 a.m.
New subject: [EXT] Re: oVirt alternatives
Has anyone looked at OpenNebula?
https://opennebula.io/
Seems to be libvirt based.
-wk
On 2/5/22 5:03 AM, marcel d'heureuse wrote:
Moin,
We will take a look into proxmox.
Hyper v is also eol, if server server2022 is standard.
Br
Marcel
Am 5. Februar 2022 13:40:30 MEZ schrieb Thomas Hoberg
<thomas(a)hoberg.net>:
There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt, but with RHGS and
RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut down in Q2.
So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to oVirt because
they had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
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11:50 a.m.
Just a point of clarification here - Hyper-V as a standalone ISO is EOL
- the technology and services will continue in the main distribution.
On 5/2/22 21:03, marcel d'heureuse wrote:
Moin,
We will take a look into proxmox.
Hyper v is also eol, if server server2022 is standard.
Br
Marcel
Am 5. Februar 2022 13:40:30 MEZ schrieb Thomas Hoberg
<thomas(a)hoberg.net>:
There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt, but with RHGS and
RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut down in Q2.
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4:06 p.m.
Xen came before KVM, but ultimately Redhat played a heavy hand to swing much of the market
but with Citrix it managed to survive (so far).
XCP-ng is a recent open source spin-off, which attempts to gather a larger community.
Their XOSAN storage is aimed to deliver a HCI solution somewhat like Gluster. But designed
only as a companion to XCP-ng, may be easier to maintain and faster. v2 is in the works
and not backward compatible to v1, so you may want to start with other alternatives, of
which there are a few.
https://xcp-ng.org/docs/
https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/xo-home
2:35 a.m.
I wonder if Oracle would not be interested in keeping the ovirt. It will
really be too bad that ovirt is discontinued.
https://docs.oracle.com/en/virtualization/oracle-linux-virtualization-man...
Em sáb., 5 de fev. de 2022 09:43, Thomas Hoberg <thomas(a)hoberg.net>
escreveu:
There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
but
with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut down in
Q2.
So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to oVirt
because they had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
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10:21 a.m.
I wonder if Oracle would not be interested in keeping the ovirt. It
will
really be too bad that ovirt is discontinued.
https://docs.oracle.com/en/virtualization/oracle-linux-virtualization-man...
Em sáb., 5 de fev. de 2022 09:43, Thomas Hoberg <thomas(a)hoberg.net>
escreveu:
I've been looking there, once I discovered they had axed their own original product
(which used to be the only hypervisor officially sanctioned to get CPU partitioning good
enough for core based licensing of their SQL servers) and gone with oVirt for their
commercial offers.
But the most outstanding evidence is that they never made the transition to 4.4, almost
two years after 4.3 support stopped at oVirt. The only news since ages is a couple of
videos in November: they are up the creek without a paddle, too, and that's the only
aspect of this EOL that I find slightly amusing.
oVirt is currently made up of so many components over which Redhat has exclusive control,
that anyone who isn't Redhat's special friend would be crazy to take it on,
because they couldn't keep things coordinated enough to create a product.
Actually, my personal impression is that it's what killed oVirt, especially in the HCI
variant even inside Redhat.
I've just set up three XCP-ng nodes using nested virtualization on one of my home-lab
workstations and I've been dumb-struck just how fast and painless it went. I then
added a Xen-Orchestra appliance(the equivalent of the management engine), which again
dumbfounded me by just how easy and quick it went (a single command grabs the appliance
off the Internet and installs it on the node).
Of course, then came the inevitable: the nagware! Every other button on the UI is nothing
but a hint to upgrade to one of the many paid variants. At least one of those hidden away
buttons actually allows you to upgrade the (freshly downloaded..?) nodes, so perhaps the
free variant is minimally usable.
The XOSAN HCI variant at €6000/year is definitely out of my home-lab range, but might
compare favorably to RHV and certainly vSphere or Nutanix. I don't think they are
quite in the same league, though, but I'll keep checking as much as I can.
It's rather ironical that XCP-ng does support Gluster for HCI...
One of the things I loved about oVirt was that you could follow what's going on. In
parts of our business we have SLAs where outside help will always come too late. What I
didn't like was that you had to dig deep far too often and that it was full of bugs in
the setup phase, which had me doubt in its operational performance.
In retrospect I have to conceed, that it didn't do so badly there even if I had plenty
of scares, which is why I still have 4.3 running in the corporate labs: until EOL of
CentOS7 do us part.
6:24 a.m.
Oh i have spent years looking.
ProxMox is probably the closest option, but has no multi-clustering
support. The clusters are more or less isolated from each other, and
would need another layer if you needed the ability to migrate between
them.
XCP-ng, cool. No spice support. No UI for managing clustered storage
that is open source.
Harvester, probably the closest / newest contender. Needs a lot more
attention / work.
OpenNebula, more like a DIY AWS than anything else, but was functional
last i played with it.
Has anyone actually played with OpenShift virtualization (replaces RHV)?
Wonder if OKD supports it with a similar model?
On 2022-02-05 07:40, Thomas Hoberg wrote:
> There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
> but with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut
> down in Q2.
>
> So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to
> oVirt because they had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
>
> Let's post what we find here in this thread.
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11:56 a.m.
Oh i have spent years looking.
ProxMox is probably the closest option, but has no multi-clustering
support. The clusters are more or less isolated from each other, and
would need another layer if you needed the ability to migrate between
them.
Also been looking at ProxMox for ages. We were using OpenVZ in
compliance-heavy production so a nice GUI and a VM option seemed ideal. But
SWsoft/Parallels/Virtuzzo and ProxMox were competing not collaborating and diverging with
distinct hypervisors and IaaS containers, which seems a silly tribal squarrel in face of
today's cloud invasion. Never thought LXC might do better than OpenVZ (or I might
return to Xen from KVM). Redhat fought both IaaS containers with nothing but VMs and only
got saved by (PaaS) Docker, which they then tried to smother with podman and Kubernetes.
But Proxmox is not HCI or only via DIY.
XCP-ng, cool. No spice support. No UI for managing clustered storage
that is open source.
true and the most attractive option seems a paid upgrade (and
not ready yet)
Don't think I'd miss SPICE or that it has much of a future.
But nothing HCI has ever deployed so quickly and easily, including vSphere as the supposed
market leader.
Harvester, probably the closest / newest contender. Needs a lot more
attention / work.
It looks great, thanks for the tip. No idea if they survive the
next three months.
I am adding the link here, because that name needs to be searched right ;-)
https://harvesterhci.io/
OpenNebula, more like a DIY AWS than anything else, but was functional
last i played with it.
Lots of material, but is it actually open source? And do
they have a free tier? They seem to have everything... which makes me more suspicious than
happy these days.
Has anyone actually played with OpenShift virtualization (replaces RHV)?
Wonder if OKD supports it with a similar model?
The oVirt team had hinted at an
integrated container VM solution when I started with oVirt. Obviously the pods and
etc-daemons need to run somewhere and VMs or IaaS containers like OpenVZ or LXC would be a
good start. That never materialized and evidently they chose to abandon IaaS and HCI
completely.
But there is plenty of workloads still out there, that are more comfortable with a IaaS
abstraction and more concerned with scale-in than scale-out. Or which live at the real
edge, in the field, on tracks or roads or in the middle of an ocean.
I don't quite see how OpenShift replaces RHV, especially not at the [real] edge. The
software industry may be transitioning towards cloudy application models, but it's
note quite all there yet.
My impression is that Redhat is very carefully avoiding a CentOS repeat for every other
open source project they do. Their upstream variants seem far more beta in OKD and Kubvirt
than oVirt ever was.
"No Free Lunch" seems to have been chiseled into the three letters of their new
owners for almost a century now.
12:56 p.m.
Hi
We have been using LXC, before we went to oVirt 4.0. We started with 3.6, but production
use was 4.0.
The problem we had with LXC was the missing live migration feature and the biggest issue
was the shared storage on NFS.
With all the hundred millions of files on the NFS storage, the performance got worse and
worse with each new container and we had hundreds of them.
In my former company, we were using OpenVZ, but I thought it was dead after RedHat 7 was
released.
Now with ovirt 4.3, we are really satisfied with it. We have several NFS storage domains
and nearly 1000 VMs running on.
I have experience with Proxmox, but the big problem we may have with it, that we have to
split our clusters and have all of them to manage separately.
Also, one of our clusters have nearly 40 hosts in there, which also might be problematic
with their management approach and corosync.
At least in older versions before using the latest corosync, I think 30 host was the
maximum supported and tested hosts in one cluster.
I also want to use my network for important data and not completely for corosync data...
Opennebula, we had a look before we went to ovirt, but in the past, I wasn't satisfied
with it.
We are still on ovirt 4.3 because of the issues with CentOS 8 EOL and we don't want to
use CentOS stream for our production.
Also the new model of ovirt with the "rolling releases" like datacenter version,
4.5, 4.6 and what ever is now there, I was never happy with.
In the past, when we have been on 4.2, we have upgraded directly to 4.3.8 and it was
perfectly stable.
Now, I really don't know, if it is stable enough, because of the new features added
with every new datacenter version.
The good thing with ovirt 4.3 is, that you can use CentOS 7.9, which is the last one. With
ovirt 4.4, when it will be deprecated, we may be at 8.7 or so, but you may not be able to
upgrade then to a later version.
Proxmox has I think a HCI with ceph.
4:04 p.m.
Has anyone tried the open shift upstream old? Looks like they support
virtualization now. Which I'm guessing is the upstream for openshift
virtualization?
https://docs.okd.io/latest/virt/about-virt.html
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 10:34 PM Alex McWhirter <alex(a)triadic.us> wrote:
Oh i have spent years looking.
ProxMox is probably the closest option, but has no multi-clustering
support. The clusters are more or less isolated from each other, and
would need another layer if you needed the ability to migrate between
them.
XCP-ng, cool. No spice support. No UI for managing clustered storage
that is open source.
Harvester, probably the closest / newest contender. Needs a lot more
attention / work.
OpenNebula, more like a DIY AWS than anything else, but was functional
last i played with it.
Has anyone actually played with OpenShift virtualization (replaces RHV)?
Wonder if OKD supports it with a similar model?
On 2022-02-05 07:40, Thomas Hoberg wrote:
> There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
> but with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut
> down in Q2.
>
> So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to
> oVirt because they had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
>
> Let's post what we find here in this thread.
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Sorry autocorrect on a cellphone.
Has anyone tried the openshift upstream okd?*
On Sun, Feb 6, 2022, 8:04 AM Wesley Stewart <wstewart3(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone tried the open shift upstream old? Looks like they
support
virtualization now. Which I'm guessing is the upstream for openshift
virtualization?
https://docs.okd.io/latest/virt/about-virt.html
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 10:34 PM Alex McWhirter <alex(a)triadic.us> wrote:
> Oh i have spent years looking.
>
> ProxMox is probably the closest option, but has no multi-clustering
> support. The clusters are more or less isolated from each other, and
> would need another layer if you needed the ability to migrate between
> them.
>
> XCP-ng, cool. No spice support. No UI for managing clustered storage
> that is open source.
>
> Harvester, probably the closest / newest contender. Needs a lot more
> attention / work.
>
> OpenNebula, more like a DIY AWS than anything else, but was functional
> last i played with it.
>
>
>
> Has anyone actually played with OpenShift virtualization (replaces RHV)?
> Wonder if OKD supports it with a similar model?
>
> On 2022-02-05 07:40, Thomas Hoberg wrote:
> > There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
> > but with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut
> > down in Q2.
> >
> > So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to
> > oVirt because they had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
> >
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8:25 p.m.
I've setup a test cluster with Kadalu (which is actually conternerized GlusterFS) for
storage.
To be honest, it is far more complex. I remember my first day with oVirt -> the UI
doesn't need any explanation, while working with OKD requires at least some knowledge
in the terminology of the k8s World.
Best Regards,Strahil Nikolov
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8:30 p.m.
Good insight.
I use containers a lot, but the virtualization sections are surely
separate? I might have to try out a node and see how it goes.
On Sun, Feb 6, 2022, 12:25 PM Strahil Nikolov <hunter86_bg(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I've setup a test cluster with Kadalu (which is actually
conternerized
GlusterFS) for storage.
To be honest, it is far more complex. I remember my first day with oVirt
-> the UI doesn't need any explanation, while working with OKD requires at
least some knowledge in the terminology of the k8s World.
Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov
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11:55 a.m.
Il giorno dom 6 feb 2022 alle ore 14:06 Wesley Stewart <wstewart3(a)gmail.com>
ha scritto:
Has anyone tried the open shift upstream old? Looks like they
support
virtualization now. Which I'm guessing is the upstream for openshift
virtualization?
https://docs.okd.io/latest/virt/about-virt.html
I gave a presentation about it 2 days ago at FOSDEM:
https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/vai_intro_okd/
but looks like recordings are not yet available at
https://video.fosdem.org/2022/
Slides are here:
https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/vai_intro_okd/attachments/slides/4...
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 10:34 PM Alex McWhirter <alex(a)triadic.us> wrote:
> Oh i have spent years looking.
>
> ProxMox is probably the closest option, but has no multi-clustering
> support. The clusters are more or less isolated from each other, and
> would need another layer if you needed the ability to migrate between
> them.
>
> XCP-ng, cool. No spice support. No UI for managing clustered storage
> that is open source.
>
> Harvester, probably the closest / newest contender. Needs a lot more
> attention / work.
>
> OpenNebula, more like a DIY AWS than anything else, but was functional
> last i played with it.
>
>
>
> Has anyone actually played with OpenShift virtualization (replaces RHV)?
> Wonder if OKD supports it with a similar model?
>
> On 2022-02-05 07:40, Thomas Hoberg wrote:
> > There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
> > but with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut
> > down in Q2.
> >
> > So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to
> > oVirt because they had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
> >
> > Let's post what we find here in this thread.
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6:32 p.m.
Thanks, I'll check them out.
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Il giorno dom 6 feb 2022 alle ore 14:06 Wesley Stewart <
wstewart3(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Has anyone tried the open shift upstream old? Looks like they support
> virtualization now. Which I'm guessing is the upstream for openshift
> virtualization?
>
> https://docs.okd.io/latest/virt/about-virt.html
>
I gave a presentation about it 2 days ago at FOSDEM:
https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/vai_intro_okd/
but looks like recordings are not yet available at
https://video.fosdem.org/2022/
Slides are here:
https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/vai_intro_okd/attachments/slides/4...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 10:34 PM Alex McWhirter <alex(a)triadic.us> wrote:
>
>> Oh i have spent years looking.
>>
>> ProxMox is probably the closest option, but has no multi-clustering
>> support. The clusters are more or less isolated from each other, and
>> would need another layer if you needed the ability to migrate between
>> them.
>>
>> XCP-ng, cool. No spice support. No UI for managing clustered storage
>> that is open source.
>>
>> Harvester, probably the closest / newest contender. Needs a lot more
>> attention / work.
>>
>> OpenNebula, more like a DIY AWS than anything else, but was functional
>> last i played with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone actually played with OpenShift virtualization (replaces RHV)?
>> Wonder if OKD supports it with a similar model?
>>
>> On 2022-02-05 07:40, Thomas Hoberg wrote:
>> > There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
>> > but with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut
>> > down in Q2.
>> >
>> > So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to
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12:47 a.m.
Hello, Is okd/openshift virtualization designed to be a full replacement of ovirt/redhat
by embedding the same level of advanced
Il giorno dom 6 feb 2022 alle ore 14:06 Wesley Stewart <wstewart3(a)gmail.com>
ha scritto:
Has anyone tried the open shift upstream old? Looks like they
support
virtualization now. Which I'm guessing is the upstream for openshift
virtualization?
https://docs.okd.io/latest/virt/about-virt.html
I gave a presentation about it 2 days ago at FOSDEM:
https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/vai_intro_okd/
but looks like recordings are not yet available at
https://video.fosdem.org/2022/
Slides are here:
https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/vai_intro_okd/attachments/slides/4...
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 10:34 PM Alex McWhirter <alex(a)triadic.us> wrote:
> Oh i have spent years looking.
>
> ProxMox is probably the closest option, but has no multi-clustering
> support. The clusters are more or less isolated from each other, and
> would need another layer if you needed the ability to migrate between
> them.
>
> XCP-ng, cool. No spice support. No UI for managing clustered storage
> that is open source.
>
> Harvester, probably the closest / newest contender. Needs a lot more
> attention / work.
>
> OpenNebula, more like a DIY AWS than anything else, but was functional
> last i played with it.
>
>
>
> Has anyone actually played with OpenShift virtualization (replaces RHV)?
> Wonder if OKD supports it with a similar model?
>
> On 2022-02-05 07:40, Thomas Hoberg wrote:
> > There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
> > but with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut
> > down in Q2.
> >
> > So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came to
> > oVirt because they had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
> >
> > Let's post what we find here in this thread.
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9:03 a.m.
Openshift/Kubernetes virtualization is not as feature-rich as oVirt (based on what I
read).
Best Regards,Strahil Nikolov
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 23:49, Nathanaël Blanchet<blanchet(a)abes.fr> wrote:
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10:30 a.m.
Il giorno dom 20 feb 2022 alle ore 22:47 Nathanaël Blanchet <
blanchet(a)abes.fr> ha scritto:
Hello, Is okd/openshift virtualization designed to be a full
replacement
of ovirt/redhat by embedding the same level of advanced
oVirt is a very mature project, integrated with most of the Red Hat
ecosystem, mostly being maintained without any new big features.
It has live-snapshot, live-storage-migration, memory overcommit
management, passthrough of a very specific PCI device on a particular host,
a VM portal, OpenShift IPI.
It lacks integrated container management.
OKD Virtualization is being very actively developed quickly closing gaps.
It has integrated container management, ability to leverage the k8s
distributed architecture/infrastructure and to leverage k8s assets like
exclusive CPU placements.
It currently lacks live-snapshot, live-storage-migration, memory overcommit
management, passthrough of a very specific PCI device on a particular
host, VM portal (OKD UI is more similar to Admin portal), thin-provisioning
(of VMs on top of templates), hot (un)plug (disk/memory/NIC), high
availability with VM leases, incremental backup, VDI features like template
versions, sealing (virt-sysprep).
So OKD is not feature complete replacement for oVirt yet.
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11:45 a.m.
Hi Sandro
Thanks for sharing, probably the stand out question to the uninitiated would be; why not
integrate oVirt as OpenShift's virtualization stack?
Thanks
Angus
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Il giorno dom 20 feb 2022 alle ore 22:47 Nathanaël Blanchet
<blanchet@abes.fr<mailto:blanchet@abes.fr>> ha scritto:
Hello, Is okd/openshift virtualization designed to be a full replacement of ovirt/redhat
by embedding the same level of advanced
oVirt is a very mature project, integrated with most of the Red Hat ecosystem, mostly
being maintained without any new big features.
It has live-snapshot, live-storage-migration, memory overcommit management, passthrough of
a very specific PCI device on a particular host, a VM portal, OpenShift IPI.
It lacks integrated container management.
OKD Virtualization is being very actively developed quickly closing gaps.
It has integrated container management, ability to leverage the k8s distributed
architecture/infrastructure and to leverage k8s assets like exclusive CPU placements.
It currently lacks live-snapshot, live-storage-migration, memory overcommit management,
passthrough of a very specific PCI device on a particular host, VM portal (OKD UI is more
similar to Admin portal), thin-provisioning (of VMs on top of templates), hot (un)plug
(disk/memory/NIC), high availability with VM leases, incremental backup, VDI features like
template versions, sealing (virt-sysprep).
So OKD is not feature complete replacement for oVirt yet.
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9:07 p.m.
On Sat, 5 Feb 2022, Alex McWhirter wrote:
ProxMox is probably the closest option, but has no multi-clustering
support.
The clusters are more or less isolated from each other, and would need
another layer if you needed the ability to migrate between them.
It's also Debian-based, so if you're an EL shop, it may not play well with
a lot of your existing infrastructure. This was the main reason we went
with oVirt in the first place.
OpenNebula, more like a DIY AWS than anything else, but was
functional last i
played with it.
I never tried it, but it sounds more like a lighter weight version of
OpenStack. I guess that's sort of the same thing...
Has anyone actually played with OpenShift virtualization (replaces
RHV)?
Wonder if OKD supports it with a similar model?
Not yet, but it looks like it's a plugin for OKD.
https://docs.okd.io/latest/virt/about-virt.html
One other possible replacement if you don't use the more advanced
capabilities of oVirt which some may not think about is Foreman. It
allows you to provision VMs on libvirt, and post-provisioning it gives you
the ability to launch a graphical console on them from a single web-based
management interface. You will need to log directly into hosts to use
virsh for things like migration, adjusting VM parameters, etc, so it's not
a complete replacement, but may work for some comfortable with using
CLI-based management tools.
11:30 a.m.
Il giorno sab 5 feb 2022 alle ore 13:42 Thomas Hoberg <thomas(a)hoberg.net>
ha scritto:
There is unfortunately no formal announcement on the fate of oVirt,
but
with RHGS and RHV having a known end-of-life, oVirt may well shut down in
Q2.
I believe the fate of oVirt has been discussed already several times but
anyway, no, oVirt is not going to shut down.
So it's time to hunt for an alternative for those of us to came
to oVirt
because they had already rejected vSAN or Nutanix.
Let's post what we find here in this thread.
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