I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday. Please don't hold back on any feedback. (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) Questions... -- start at 8AM? -- enough time for breakouts? -- enough time for investment areas from founders? .... thx Cal.
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM To: project-planning@ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron Subject: Workshop - more details
I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday.
Please don't hold back on any feedback.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
Questions... -- start at 8AM?
That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the afternoon...
-- enough time for breakouts?
Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
-- enough time for investment areas from founders?
I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module - engine - api - ui - vdsm - history & reports And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up) Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working" to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could help others, etc.
....
thx Cal.
On 09/22/2011 03:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM To: project-planning@ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron Subject: Workshop - more details
I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday.
Please don't hold back on any feedback.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
Questions... -- start at 8AM? That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the afternoon...
-- enough time for breakouts? Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
-- enough time for investment areas from founders?
I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module - engine - api - ui - vdsm - history & reports
And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working" to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could help others, etc.
I'll edit this in and see what we get. thx Carl.
On 09/22/2011 11:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
On 09/22/2011 03:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM To: project-planning@ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron Subject: Workshop - more details
I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday.
Please don't hold back on any feedback.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
Questions... -- start at 8AM? That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the afternoon...
-- enough time for breakouts? Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
IMHO multiple adjustment rooms will be the best. The scope is pretty big and the various interest changes from each developer/vendor. I would organize it so each day there is a common start, break into several working groups (in rooms), at the end unite again around some easy topic like release period and again for the following day. Have some of the BoF set up prior to the workshop
-- enough time for investment areas from founders?
I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module - engine - api - ui - vdsm - history& reports
And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working" to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could help others, etc.
I'll edit this in and see what we get.
thx Carl. _______________________________________________ Project-planning mailing list Project-planning@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
On 09/22/2011 02:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM To: project-planning@ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron Subject: Workshop - more details
I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday.
Please don't hold back on any feedback.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
Questions... -- start at 8AM?
That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the afternoon...
-- enough time for breakouts?
Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
-- enough time for investment areas from founders?
I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module - engine - api - ui - vdsm - history& reports
And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
Yes, if we have to dedicate time to getting a build environment, then the build environment needs to be simplified :-) Regards, Anthony Liguori
Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working" to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could help others, etc.
....
thx Cal.
Project-planning mailing list Project-planning@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
On 09/22/2011 04:20 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
Yes, if we have to dedicate time to getting a build environment, then the build environment needs to be simplified :-)
the initial schedule was just a hack, no indication of reality. goal was to get feedback and refine it. Do we even want a getting going session? or just deal with as part of a BOF? Carl.
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 23:26 PM To: Anthony Liguori Cc: Itamar Heim; project-planning@ovirt.org; 'Robyn Bergeron' Subject: Re: Workshop - more details
On 09/22/2011 04:20 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
Yes, if we have to dedicate time to getting a build environment, then the build environment needs to be simplified :-)
the initial schedule was just a hack, no indication of reality. goal was to get feedback and refine it.
Do we even want a getting going session? or just deal with as part of a BOF?
I think it's a must. Mailing list, review process, gerrit, devel environment for engine, ui, real or fake vdsm, etc.
Itamar: Regarding accommodating a small subset of folks Monday, that should not be a problem, I will make sure Michael and I keep that in mind as we're trying to allocate rooms for this at the Cisco campus now. If we do some early things, it's likely the space for any Monday events will be very limited compared to Tuesday through Thursday. Thanks, Kyle On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM To: project-planning@ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron Subject: Workshop - more details
I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday.
Please don't hold back on any feedback.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
X205I/edit?hl=en_US
Questions... -- start at 8AM?
That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the afternoon...
-- enough time for breakouts?
Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
-- enough time for investment areas from founders?
I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module - engine - api - ui - vdsm - history & reports
And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working" to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could help others, etc.
....
thx Cal.
Project-planning mailing list Project-planning@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
Kyle, On Tuesday through thursday, would we be able to get an additional 2 smaller break out rooms with whiteboards for working sessions/BOFs? If there are only specific times that work, we can plan the break-outs around that. Carl. On 09/22/2011 06:52 PM, kmestery wrote:
Itamar:
Regarding accommodating a small subset of folks Monday, that should not be a problem, I will make sure Michael and I keep that in mind as we're trying to allocate rooms for this at the Cisco campus now. If we do some early things, it's likely the space for any Monday events will be very limited compared to Tuesday through Thursday.
Thanks, Kyle
On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM To: project-planning@ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron Subject: Workshop - more details
I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday.
Please don't hold back on any feedback.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
Questions... -- start at 8AM? That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the afternoon...
-- enough time for breakouts? Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
-- enough time for investment areas from founders?
I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module - engine - api - ui - vdsm - history & reports
And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working" to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could help others, etc.
....
thx Cal.
Project-planning mailing list Project-planning@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
Michael and I are working on that now, yes. At a minimum, we are looking for smaller rooms on days 2 and 3. We will keep you updated. Thanks, Kyle On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
Kyle,
On Tuesday through thursday, would we be able to get an additional 2 smaller break out rooms with whiteboards for working sessions/BOFs? If there are only specific times that work, we can plan the break-outs around that.
Carl.
On 09/22/2011 06:52 PM, kmestery wrote:
Itamar:
Regarding accommodating a small subset of folks Monday, that should not be a problem, I will make sure Michael and I keep that in mind as we're trying to allocate rooms for this at the Cisco campus now. If we do some early things, it's likely the space for any Monday events will be very limited compared to Tuesday through Thursday.
Thanks, Kyle
On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM To: project-planning@ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron Subject: Workshop - more details
I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday.
Please don't hold back on any feedback.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
X205I/edit?hl=en_US
Questions... -- start at 8AM? That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the afternoon...
-- enough time for breakouts? Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
-- enough time for investment areas from founders?
I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module - engine - api - ui - vdsm - history & reports
And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working" to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could help others, etc.
....
thx Cal.
Project-planning mailing list Project-planning@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far. (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning content from day 2 to day one and work around that. Take a look and fire additional comments. regards Carl.
Carl: This looks like it's taking shape nicely. One suggestion I have is on Wednesday, should we swap Roadmap 2 hour session with the BoFs? This would allow us to finish each day with BoF sessions consistently. And, if the roadmap session goes short, to extend the BoF time in one solid block. Thoughts? Thanks, Kyle On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
Take a look and fire additional comments.
regards Carl. _______________________________________________ Project-planning mailing list Project-planning@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
yes, I like that. will do Carl. On 09/23/2011 03:14 PM, kmestery wrote:
Carl:
This looks like it's taking shape nicely. One suggestion I have is on Wednesday, should we swap Roadmap 2 hour session with the BoFs? This would allow us to finish each day with BoF sessions consistently. And, if the roadmap session goes short, to extend the BoF time in one solid block.
Thoughts?
Thanks, Kyle
On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
Take a look and fire additional comments.
regards Carl. _______________________________________________ Project-planning mailing list Project-planning@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
On 09/23/2011 10:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
Take a look and fire additional comments.
Hi, I think a session on the conversion process from c# to java of the engine core could be both interesting (previous experience) and useful for explaining parts of the current engine code. Livnat
Am 25.09.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Livnat Peer <lpeer@redhat.com>:
On 09/23/2011 10:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
Take a look and fire additional comments.
Hi,
I think a session on the conversion process from c# to java of the engine core could be both interesting (previous experience) and useful for explaining parts of the current engine code.
Yup, please also include some of the rationale behind it. I very much prefer c# as a language and environment over Java, though I don't know if the web server stuff in there is as bad as J2EE. Given that MS is not exactly worse than Oracle, the patent FUD part is out of question too. I'd also be interested in some real (and honest) comparison between the 2 frameworks. Which one was easier to code for? Which one is more stable? Eadier to read? Thinking about it, this could be a very interesting talk for a Linux/OSS conference :). Better than the initial meeting even, as history shouldn't matter too much for us going forward. The state is what it is. Alex
On 09/26/2011 01:13 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
Am 25.09.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Livnat Peer<lpeer@redhat.com>:
On 09/23/2011 10:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
Take a look and fire additional comments.
Hi,
I think a session on the conversion process from c# to java of the engine core could be both interesting (previous experience) and useful for explaining parts of the current engine code.
Yup, please also include some of the rationale behind it. I very much prefer c# as a language and environment over Java, though I don't know if the web server stuff in there is as bad as J2EE. Given that MS is not exactly worse than Oracle, the patent FUD part is out of question too.
I'd also be interested in some real (and honest) comparison between the 2 frameworks. Which one was easier to code for? Which one is more stable? Eadier to read?
Thinking about it, this could be a very interesting talk for a Linux/OSS conference :). Better than the initial meeting even, as history shouldn't matter too much for us going forward. The state is what it is.
For the history records, I was the only one against using windows for the kvm mgmt application back then in the Qumranet days. I though that it is wrong to pick a completely different environment than the hosts that runs the VMs. In addition, I envisioned a distributed mgmt so it resides on the KVM hosts themselves, with full application level fault tolerant thus being scalable and support high availability inherently. Hope to get to that one day.
Alex
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On 09/26/2011 06:13 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
Am 25.09.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Livnat Peer <lpeer@redhat.com>:
On 09/23/2011 10:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
Take a look and fire additional comments.
Hi,
I think a session on the conversion process from c# to java of the engine core could be both interesting (previous experience) and useful for explaining parts of the current engine code. Yup, please also include some of the rationale behind it. I very much prefer c# as a language and environment over Java, though I don't know if the web server stuff in there is as bad as J2EE. Given that MS is not exactly worse than Oracle, the patent FUD part is out of question too.
I'd also be interested in some real (and honest) comparison between the 2 frameworks. Which one was easier to code for? Which one is more stable? Eadier to read?
Thinking about it, this could be a very interesting talk for a Linux/OSS conference :). Better than the initial meeting even, as history shouldn't matter too much for us going forward. The state is what it is.
Alex
I think we may be ready to post the updated agenda. I suggest we keep a section of requested BOF's and put the above topic into that. Then we can use the list for help coordinate the BOF's and add and remove topic as required. Carl.
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Alexander Graf -
Anthony Liguori -
Carl Trieloff -
Dor Laor -
Itamar Heim -
kmestery -
Livnat Peer