[Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13] "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"

Moti Asayag masayag at redhat.com
Wed Aug 14 15:16:15 UTC 2013 


----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yuko Katabami" <ykatabam at redhat.com>
> To: "Moti Asayag" <masayag at redhat.com>
> Cc: engine-devel at ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:08:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13] "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
> 
> 
> On 08/12/2013 05:26 PM, Yuko Katabami wrote:
> >
> > On 08/12/2013 05:23 PM, Moti Asayag wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Yuko Katabami"<ykatabam at redhat.com>
> >>> To: "Moti Asayag"<masayag at redhat.com>
> >>> Cc:engine-devel at ovirt.org
> >>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:03:32 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
> >>> "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 08/12/2013 04:53 PM, Moti Asayag wrote:
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Yuko Katabami"<ykatabam at redhat.com>
> >>>>> To:engine-devel at ovirt.org
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 2:28:05 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
> >>>>> 	"${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to ask for your help again with the following questions:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> File: AppErrors
> >>>>> Resource ID: ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_VNIC_PROFILE_IN_USE
> >>>>> Strings: Cannot ${action} ${type}. Several ${entities}
> >>>>> (${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}) are using this VM network
> >>>>> interface
> >>>>> profile:
> >>>>> ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE}
> >>>>> - Please remove it from all ${entities} that are using it and try
> >>>>> again.
> >>>>> Question:
> >>>>> Is "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}" representing the number of
> >>>>> entities using the VNIC profile?
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is it always greater than 1 or could it be 1 in some cases?
> >>>> It can be 1 or greater.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE} representing the name(s) of entities
> >>>>> using
> >>>>> the the VNIC profile?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here are 2 examples for the error when the vnic profile is used by one
> >>>> or
> >>>> more vms:
> >>>>
> >>>> A vnic profile used by a single entity:
> >>>> Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
> >>>> profile.
> >>>> Several virtual machines (1) are using this VM network interface
> >>>> profile:
> >>>> vm1
> >>>> - Please remove it from all virtual machines that are using it and try
> >>>> again.
> >>>>
> >>>> A vnic profile used by a two entities:
> >>>> Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
> >>>> profile.
> >>>> Several virtual machines (2) are using this VM network interface
> >>>> profile:
> >>>> vm1,
> >>>> vm2
> >>>> - Please remove it from all virtual machines that are using it and try
> >>>> again.
> >>> Hi Moti,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much for your answer with actual examples. It is very
> >>> helpful.
> >>>
> >>> In my language, I can translate this string in a way which works whether
> >>> the entity is single or plural, but I am not sure about other supported
> >>> locales.
> >>> I will share this with other translators and if it is problematic, I
> >>> will get back to you via this mailing list.
> >>>
> >> Please note that there are several messages that share the same format:
> >>
> >> ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_NETWORK_IN_USE=Cannot ${action} ${type}. Several
> >> ${entities} (${ENTITIES_USING_NETWORK_COUNTER}) are using this logical
> >> network:\n${ENTITIES_USING_NETWORK}\n - Please remove it from all
> >> ${entities} that are using it and try again.
> >>
> >> ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_PROVIDER_NETWORKS_USED=Cannot ${action} ${type}.
> >> Several external networks (${NETWORK_NAMES_COUNTER}) are being used by
> >> virtual machines and/or templates:\n${NETWORK_NAMES}\n - Please resolve
> >> the external networks usage first and try again.
> > Thank you Moti for this extra information.
> > I will also pass this onto other translators.
> > Very much appreciated.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Yuko
> 
> Hi Moti,
> 
> I have discussed with other translators and confirmed that all those
> three strings in the same format are problematic for localization.
> The current format only works if the entity is plural.
> In the example (with single entity) you have given:
> *
> **Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
> profile.**
> ****_Several_ **virtual machine**_s_**(1) **_are_**using this VM network
> interface profile:**
> **vm1**
> **- Please remove it from **_all_**__**virtual machine**_s_**that are
> using it and try again.*
> 
> 1) It has the word "several" and "all" preceding the entity. Those
> adjectives do not work with a singular noun in all languages, and it
> grammatically wrong in English as well.
> 2) ${entities} is shown always plural even it is singular "Virtual
> Machines (1)" - this is not correct.
> 3) Verb "are" should only be used when the nominative is plural
> 
> We are wondering if the English strings (all three) can be changed to be
> grammatically correct.

Is there a way they can be changed to comply to both singular and plural form ?
Or there is no escape from separating into 2 messages?
I'd rather the first option if possible.

Could you open a bug so we could keep track on it ?

> (or perhaps separate strings for singular and plural?)
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Yuko
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Thank you again for your help.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>>
> >>> Yuko
> >>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yuko
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yuko Katabami (?????)
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> >
> > Yuko Katabami (?????)
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> Regards,
> 
> Yuko Katabami (?????)
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> NAATI Accredited Professional Translator (English into Japanese) #28138
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> *Email:* ykatabam at redhat.com
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