[Engine-devel] [rhev-devel] login and first opened tabs in webadmin

Mon Jan 20 16:24:49 UTC 2014

[top posting] My 2 cents -

I think fixing the bug about the semi persistent tree selection is very important since it can completely disorient and confuse users. I am uncomfortable about letting it slide until we deal with the RFE filed. We have introduced a feature where we are now allowing users to collapse the tree to reclaim real estate. While this is a good thing, this can also further worsen these kinds of sudden and automatic scope changes. Even if the tree is expanded, these kinds of automatic scope changes upon refresh are not advisable.

+1 for the RFE itself - I think persisting the last state at log off is always a good thing. Many people may be working on tasks within a certain scope for many days at a time and if the app resets to system level each time and that too unpredictably after 5-10s, it is annoying to go back and drill to where they were. Based on my conversations with customers about their setups so far, not a lot of them seem to have multiple DCs and hopefully permissions will take care of some of the filtering of entities that are not relevant. Having said all of these, I still feel persistence of scope selection will be a positive experience.

Thanks
Malini

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eldan Hildesheim" <ehildesh at redhat.com>
To: "Malini Rao" <mrao at redhat.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:28:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: [rhev-devel] login and first opened tabs in webadmin

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com>
To: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
Cc: "rhev-devel" <rhev-devel at redhat.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:13:19 PM
Subject: Re: [rhev-devel] login and first opened tabs in webadmin

On Jan 20, 2014, at 14:58 , Einav Cohen <ecohen at redhat.com> wrote:

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim at redhat.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:46:43 AM
>> 
>> On 01/19/2014 01:55 PM, Eldan Hildesheim wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> As I see it, the RFE is a "nice to have" and not more then that.
>>> I don't see any problem with the following scenario:
>>> 
>>> -login to the system
>>> -click a specific DC in the tree and now you will work only under that
>>> scope.
>>> 
>>> Again it's nice but not necessary (gmail don't have this option)
>>> In this way or the other the issue of the following bug will raise:
>>> 
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049320
>>> 
>>> Eldan
>> 
>> just remember the last place the user was on for next time they login
>> (main tab, and tree if exists)?
> 
> sure, no one objects here. 
> @Michal - can you please open the RFE (and the BZ) as I requested earlier, 
> since you raised these issues? many thanks in advance. 

opened RFE https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055587

I think the other bug will be addressed by fixing the RFE so no need for a separate bug (not that urgent anyway)

Thanks,
michal

> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
>>> To: "Vojtech Szocs" <vszocs at redhat.com>
>>> Cc: "Gilad Chaplik" <gchaplik at redhat.com>, "rhev-devel"
>>> <rhev-devel at redhat.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:52:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [rhev-devel] login and first opened tabs in webadmin
>>> 
>>>>> In any case the persistence of last selected tree item and a main tab
>>>>> would
>>>>> be nice, I was just wondering if a similar bug exists already (I would
>>>>> think so)
>>> 
>>> there is no such issue reported (maybe it is not with 'ux' Whiteboard).
>>> 
>>>> 1, [bug] select DC in tree, log out, log in
>>>>    - for short time period, DC is still selected in tree (instead of
>>>>    "System")
>>>>    - after this time, tree selection is reset (probably due to data
>>>>    refresh)
>>>> 
>>>> 2, [RFE] remember tree & main tab selection locally on client
>>>>    - apply previous selection right after each login
>>>> 
>>>> Hope I got it right :)
>>> 
>>> correct.
>>> @Michal - feel free to open the two BZs as detailed above.
>>> 
>>> ----
>>> Thanks,
>>> Einav
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Vojtech Szocs" <vszocs at redhat.com>
>>>> To: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com>
>>>> Cc: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
>>>> <tjelinek at redhat.com>, "Daniel Erez" <derez at redhat.com>,
>>>> "Gilad Chaplik" <gchaplik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
>>>> <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Lior Vernia" <lvernia at redhat.com>,
>>>> "rhev-devel" <rhev-devel at redhat.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:52:37 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [rhev-devel] login and first opened tabs in webadmin
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, as discussed with Michal there are two issues:
>>>> 
>>>> 1, [bug] select DC in tree, log out, log in
>>>>    - for short time period, DC is still selected in tree (instead of
>>>>    "System")
>>>>    - after this time, tree selection is reset (probably due to data
>>>>    refresh)
>>>> 
>>>> 2, [RFE] remember tree & main tab selection locally on client
>>>>    - apply previous selection right after each login
>>>> 
>>>> Hope I got it right :)
>>>> 
>>>> Vojtech
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com>
>>>>> To: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
>>>>> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>, "Daniel Erez"
>>>>> <derez at redhat.com>, "Gilad Chaplik" <gchaplik at redhat.com>,
>>>>> "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Vojtech Szocs"
>>>>> <vszocs at redhat.com>, "Lior Vernia" <lvernia at redhat.com>,
>>>>> "rhev-devel" <rhev-devel at redhat.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:20:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rhev-devel] login and first opened tabs in webadmin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2014, at 15:10 , Einav Cohen <ecohen at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Michal, I apologize - I have not idea what you are talking about.
>>>>>> UI Guys: Are you familiar with an automatic selection of the last-
>>>>>> selected-tree-node from the previous session?
>>>>>> are we persisting anything with regards to the tree?
>>>>> 
>>>>> talked with Vojtech briefly…we're not persisting anything yet, which is a
>>>>> pity, because everytime I open webadmin I'm presented with a huge list of
>>>>> Vms I do not care about….but what is actually confusing is that after the
>>>>> reopen the left hand tree is still showing my selected data center until
>>>>> next refresh (~5-10s) which Vojtech believes is a bug
>>>>> 
>>>>> In any case the persistence of last selected tree item and a main tab
>>>>> would
>>>>> be nice, I was just wondering if a similar bug exists already (I would
>>>>> think
>>>>> so)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> michal
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Einav
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "rhev-devel" <rhev-devel at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:18:36 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: login and first opened tabs in webadmin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I suppose it's a well known ux issue that after logging in we always go
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the Virtual Machines tab. Well, so far ok, let's say, but when I have
>>>>>>> multiple data enters this makes no sense. I see all the machines,
>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> not related to me whatsoever.
>>>>>>> It's also quite confusing as during the first 5-10s the left hand tree
>>>>>>> shows
>>>>>>> my previous selection of the specific data center so I expect the list
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> filtered. After that long period of time the tree reloads and resets to
>>>>>>> System level.
>>>>>>> This is at rhev tlv.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are we fixing this?:) At least the semi-persistence we have for other
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> (per user in LocalStorage) would be better than nothing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> michal
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 