oVirt Forum Pilot

Karsten 'quaid' Wade kwade at redhat.com
Mon May 21 17:11:47 UTC 2012 

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On 05/21/2012 12:15 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> I surely would like to help here. I can provide a linux server
> (VM) that we can use to test the mailman / mybb combo.

Sounds great. (The caveat being, I don't see a specific situation of
Mailman plus MyBB being proposed. The Mailman work is all part of the
Mailman 3.0 release. Or are you using mybb as a reference for the
concept of a forum rather than a specific tool?)

> Only thing needed (or not needed, but would be nice) is to have an
> A record (fa dev.ovirt.org) pointing to the ip address of the dev 
> server.

Agreed.

> Let me know if this is acceptable and I'll setup the vm.

I don't see any problem in general with that idea so +1. Any other
thoughts from anyone else?

One thing we can chat about is to help with standards and security for
a few reasons. One is, many minds helps prevent cracked websites. :)
Another is, you can share the setup and maintenance burden with others.

Let us know what you think, and what IP address you've got so I can
start the DNS change request (Red Hat IT handles DNS for us right now.)

- - Karsten

> On 05/15/2012 12:46 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
>>>> Does anyone maybe have a link to the option in mailman that
>>>> is being talked about?
> 
> Here is the Google Summer of Code project page:
> 
> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2012/syst3mw0rm/31001
>
>
> 
After reading up on the mockups behind that work, I wrote this
> summary post:
> 
> http://iquaid.org/2012/05/14/mailing-list-web-interface-magic/
> 
> Thanks again for not only caring about this problem, but for being
>  willing to help fix it.
> 
> Do you want to work with me (and anyone else interested) on trying 
> out the Mailman changes as they come live? We could put up a 
> development environment that pulls in the nightly Mailman so we
> could try out features as they are developed, maybe even help make
> it all better. :)
> 
> - Karsten
> 
>>>> Thanks :)
>>>> 
>>>> Op 15 mei 2012, om 09:44 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende 
>>>> geschreven:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 05/15/2012 09:45 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
>>>>>> Anyone?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought karsten summarized this nicely. 
>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2012-May/000362.html
>>>>>
>>>>>  i think the consensus was forum would be great, but would 
>>>>> either need a two-way bridge to mailing list, or a pilot
>>>>> with someone acting as a liaison forwarding information
>>>>> between the forum and the mailing list. also, there is the 
>>>>> possibility mailman will have this option built it later 
>>>>> which is worth promoting / waiting for if will be
>>>>> available soon.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I still really do feel like it would be a great addition 
>>>>>> for the community.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Op 11 mei 2012, om 14:43 heeft Barry Kostjens het
>>>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any more opinions on this?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het 
>>>>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such 
>>>>>>>> thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be
>>>>>>>> really usefull. One big downside of the mail system
>>>>>>>> is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post
>>>>>>>> and reply on the forum would contain the whole email
>>>>>>>> message including the quotes over and over again.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would suggest getting the forum up&  running and
>>>>>>>> use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get
>>>>>>>> a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig
>>>>>>>> greatly expanded this way.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het
>>>>>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking about MyBB.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread 
>>>>>>>>>> answered / solved' function, and it also lets
>>>>>>>>>> you set a 'best answer'.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You can have a look at it here: 
>>>>>>>>>> http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think the only issue raised around this is "does 
>>>>>>>>> it work two-way with emails"?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het 
>>>>>>>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Barry 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kostjens"<bkostjens at internetlimburg.nl> To: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Eli Mesika"<emesika at redhat.com> Cc: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> infra at ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any more opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dunno how many people there are on this
>>>>>>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail
>>>>>>>>>>> gateways. The problem with a forum is that we
>>>>>>>>>>> should make sure we poll it frequently, and
>>>>>>>>>>> provide fast answers, as people tend to be more
>>>>>>>>>>> patient on mailing lists as they are on forums.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, some forums give you score and titles on
>>>>>>>>>>> participation and help you give other users, so
>>>>>>>>>>> this could also be a motivation for users to
>>>>>>>>>>> help one another. Some forums also give the
>>>>>>>>>>> ability to set threads as "answered", and what
>>>>>>>>>>> the answer is, and that's also important as you
>>>>>>>>>>> can sometimes get lost in the information on
>>>>>>>>>>> long E-mail threads.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't get a chance to take a look at the 
>>>>>>>>>>> implementation suggestions below, but IMO an 
>>>>>>>>>>> option that gives the abilities mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>> above will be the winner :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Oved
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mesika<emesika at redhat.com>   het volgende 
>>>>>>>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Barry 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kostjens"<bkostjens at ilimburg.nl> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp at redhat.com> Cc: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infra at ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pilot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what Doron said about it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is, it creates duplication. So 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people wither use both the list and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forum, or randomly selects one. Then you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get people trying to cross-reference the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists and the forums... Now once we get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into this state, it'll be impossible to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the various channels as I try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that forum for this purpose is much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> users list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kostjens:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for setting up a ovirt forum pilot 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which might deprecate the users list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not have both? A mailing list is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect for offline usage and for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (some) forums there exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bi-directional email gateways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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Red Hat Open Source and Standards (OSAS)
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