[Kimchi-devel] UI Change Request - Navigation
Walter Niklaus
niklaus at linux.vnet.ibm.com
Wed Oct 14 06:49:52 UTC 2015
Hi Samuel,
just to make it clear, I'm focusing now only on Ginger and the Host tab.
I don't think that we can wait with changing the navigation in Ginger
post-new-ui since we are planning to ship all this new functionality
already with this release. And due to the new functionality the place
required would be at least 4 times of the currenlty consumed place,
meaning that if we stay with the current design we would have a huge
page (sure with collapsing areas) that would have the various
functionalitites spread over multiple pages to be scrolled down/up.
And if I'm in the context of setting up a host in its various aspects I
need a clear navigation to get from one area to another.
We are in the process of developing a "New-UI", please lets try to get
the things we identify to require changes done now and not spend the
effort twice.
When it comes to collect user feedback, I fully agree with you that
based on that feedback we should keep improving things.
Thanks, Walter.
On 13.10.2015 21:20, Samuel Henrique De Oliveira Guimaraes wrote:
> We discussed adding a page showing wok logo + all installed plug-ins logos, something like Juju Charms does: https://jujucharms.com/
>
> I do think we need to discuss a new navigation pattern but I believe it should be developed post-new-ui / after 2.0 and before mobile / responsive design development. Once we finish the new-ui html and css, while we test it I can make some quick high-fidelity mockups based on the assets that we have and then I believe we can evaluate with users if they like the current new-ui pattern, if an off-canvas / hamburger menu can replace the current new-ui menu, etc.
>
> I've seen a lot in Wordpress blogs Select / Comboboxes elements instead of a menu. I don't have any background to evaluate screen reader accessibility with given component but I believe It should ask user confirmation before sending to a different page (most sites don't do that, they redirect once you select an option different than the current).
>
> When we think in the context that Kimchi/Wok is not targeted for hardcore users that are used to AWS, Azure, VMWare vSphere panels, then it makes sense to use a simple tabbed navigation pattern like the proposed new-ui spec.
>
> I do think that at some point we will be forced to deliver an alternate option if the user has several plugins installed. In one of the links that Walter sent we can see that NBC.com tried different patterns from hamburger icon and then switched back to a tabbed nav but they kept a "More" drop-down button: http://deep.design/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-31-at-3.36.30-PM.png
>
> For now I propose we use the proposed design in hosts-ginger.jpg that I attached for now, but I would definitely need some help with JS to make this work and that would envolve changing tab-ext.xml as well.
>
> Samuel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kimchi-devel-bounces at ovirt.org [mailto:kimchi-devel-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Henrique Barboza
> Sent: terça-feira, 13 de outubro de 2015 14:14
> To: kimchi-devel at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: [Kimchi-devel] UI Change Request - Navigation
>
> I believe we can keep the tabs containing the name/title of the feature instead of the plug-in name and, post 2.0, we can think about adding the loaded plug-ins information in the About page or somewhere else.
>
> If I'm not mistaken I think the login page contains the logos of all the plug-ins loaded and a mouseover in the logo will show the plug-in name. It's not like the user will be completely clueless about which plug-ins are loaded or not.
>
> On 10/13/2015 01:56 PM, Socorro Stoppler wrote:
>> In previous projects I've been on, we've had a Home page that listed
>> the various plugins (and the user can then click on the individual
>> plugins to go to the appropriate pages).
>>
>> Just my two cents :)
>>
>> -Socorro
>>
>> On 10/13/2015 09:45 AM, Paulo Ricardo Paz Vital wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2015-10-13 at 17:17 +0200, Walter Niklaus wrote:
>>>> Aline,
>>>>
>>>> I consider making the user select a tab named "Kimchi" or "Ginger"
>>>> very confusing because she/he will have to learn the hard way which
>>>> is the one she/he is looking for.
>>> I agree with Walter in this point. For the user is much easier to
>>> browse by the tabs using it's functionality and area names than the
>>> plugin names.
>>>
>>> Let's remember that the main goal of Wok, Kimchi and Ginger is make
>>> easier the life of a user with ** NO ** knowledge about
>>> virtualization (and why not sys admin, too).
>>>
>>>
>>>> I see your point about clarity on the responsabiltiy of a certain
>>>> plugin. I would propose to have the plugin name and potentially its
>>>> icon as well visible when the respective tab is activ.
>>>>
>>> Why not add in some part of the screen the name of the plugin that is
>>> providing that page or, may be, a 'plugin management' screen listing
>>> all plugin names and each area/functionality it's providing?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Paulo Vital
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Walter.
>>>>
>>>> On 13.10.2015 16:29, Aline Manera wrote:
>>>>> My suggestion is to use the plugin name as the first tab level.
>>>>>
>>>>> So instead of "Host", Ginger. And instead of "Virtualization",
>>>>> Kimchi.
>>>>> That way the user is aware on each plugin is responsible for what
>>>>> and also give the plugin more visibility inside wok.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Aline Manera
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/10/2015 11:36, Samuel Henrique De Oliveira Guimaraes wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jan,
>>>>>> I’m not sure if I’m following you. Did you mean changing the
>>>>>> second-level navigation to tabs instead of panel areas? If so
>>>>>> should we merge Hosts and Admin tab in one page and collapse the
>>>>>> panels like old-ui behavior (maybe keeping the dashboard
>>>>>> statistics on top unchanged) but with new-ui styles OR add two new
>>>>>> tabs to the toolbar?
>>>>>> I think the concept of accordion/collapsible elements works for
>>>>>> Admin, but I don’t see it working for the panels on Hosts tab,
>>>>>> unless we group Basic Information, Repositories and Debug Reports
>>>>>> in one single collapsible area.
>>>>>> I also discussed with Aline if we should move Peer Hosts from
>>>>>> top to the toolbar and make it a plugin. Here’s a mockup I did
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Chrome:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason why I think all panels in these pages can’t be
>>>>>> merged in one tab is because if all panels were collapsed, the
>>>>>> page height would be around 3757 pixels. If admin items were hidden,
>>>>>> it would be around 2108 tall. I believe we would
>>>>>> have to set the accordions to hide other items when one item is
>>>>>> collapsed. They don’t seem that tall in the PDF because the
>>>>>> images were resized.
>>>>>> I believe we have to study this following a “mobile-first”
>>>>>> approach because once we all agree with the new design, even if we
>>>>>> don’t include the mobile design in 2.0 release, we’ll have to keep
>>>>>> some markup ready for responsive design to receive the new styles.
>>>>>> I think this new tab design would need some updates in tab-ext.xml
>>>>>> and the JS files before 2.0 release, assuming other people or
>>>>>> teams would start developing new plugins from 2.0 and on. If we
>>>>>> update how the tabs are built in the UI from 2.0 to 2.1 for
>>>>>> instance, that may turn against us with retro compatibility
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Samuel
>>>>>> From: kimchi-devel-bounces at ovirt.org [mailto:
>>>>>> kimchi-devel-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Jan Schneider
>>>>>> Sent: quinta-feira, 8 de outubro de 2015 13:10
>>>>>> To: Aline Manera <alinefm at linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>>>> Cc: kimchi-devel at ovirt.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Kimchi-devel] UI Change Request - Navigation
>>>>>> Hello Aline,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I refer to the latest version of the User Interface Design
>>>>>> Specification - Kimchi, 2014-12-23 (aka UI Design Spec) which
>>>>>> defines the following structure of functionalities:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Host (second level navigation via panel areas)
>>>>>> Performance (System Statistics)
>>>>>> Basic Information
>>>>>> Repositories
>>>>>> Debug Report
>>>>>> Software Updates
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guests
>>>>>> no second level functionalities
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Templates
>>>>>> no second level functionalities
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Storage
>>>>>> no second level functionalities
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Networks
>>>>>> no second level functionalities
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Administration (second level navigation via collapse/expand)
>>>>>> Firmware Update
>>>>>> SEP Configuration
>>>>>> Power Options
>>>>>> Configuration Backup
>>>>>> Network Configuration
>>>>>> SAN Adapters
>>>>>> Sensor Monitor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Problem Statement
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We already decided to move all Administration functionalities to
>>>>>> Host (currently not updated in the UI Design Spec).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are currently facing the following problems:
>>>>>> 1) Host now contains 12 second level functionalities, all other
>>>>>> (Guests, Templates, ...) none.
>>>>>> We need to introduce a second level navigation for Host
>>>>>> other than collapse/expand
>>>>>> 2) The navigation bar elements Storage and Network (refering to
>>>>>> Virtualization) also exist in the Host context.
>>>>>> This might confuse the user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The described problems can be solved with the following changes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Introducing a second level navigation
>>>>>> 2) Changing the structure of functionalities as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Host
>>>>>> Performance (System Statistics)
>>>>>> Basic Information
>>>>>> Repositories
>>>>>> Debug Report
>>>>>> Software Updates
>>>>>> Firmware Update
>>>>>> SEP Configuration
>>>>>> Power Options
>>>>>> Configuration Backup
>>>>>> Network Configuration
>>>>>> SAN Adapters
>>>>>> Sensor Monitor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Virtualization
>>>>>> Guests
>>>>>> Templates
>>>>>> Storage
>>>>>> Networks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Containers (future extension)
>>>>>> to be defined
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's start a discussion on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
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