[moVirt] Some thoughts about moVirt

Tue Feb 10 07:39:14 UTC 2015

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> movirt at ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > movirt at ovirt.org
> > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>
> > > Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>
> > > > To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Martin Polednik"
> > > > > <mpoledni at redhat.com>, movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > 
> > > > > (adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> > > > > > <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > "sphoorti joglekar"
> > > > > > <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
> > > > > > <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> > > > > > > <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > > "sphoorti joglekar"
> > > > > > > <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
> > > > > > > <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > > > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get involved
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > moVirt.
> > > > > > > > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get soon a
> > > > > > > > "monster
> > > > > > > > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. Ok, I
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > install
> > > > > > > > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what?
> > > > > > > > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the mobile
> > > > > > > > device
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is not a
> > > > > > > > "strictly
> > > > > > > > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will ease
> > > > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > developing. I would like to know how I can start contributing
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > moVirt.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the
> > > > > > > > technology?
> > > > > > > > Native
> > > > > > > > Java
> > > > > > > > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should encourage
> > > > > > > > somehow
> > > > > > > > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Yair
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Oops, sorry for that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D
> > > > > > > I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, and
> > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > plans
> > > > > > > to do more?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + router
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > home,
> > > > > > how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected to the
> > > > > same
> > > > > router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see oVirt
> > > > > from
> > > > > mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
> > > > >  
> > > > > On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It contains
> > > > > the
> > > > > sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some
> > > > > documentation
> > > > > on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env.
> > > > > Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But please
> > > > > make
> > > > > sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated on
> > > > > wiki
> > > > > -
> > > > > any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal consequences :D
> > > > > 
> > > > > Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access to the
> > > > > engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just need
> > > > > to
> > > > > fill
> > > > > the API URL, name and password.
> > > > > Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to have
> > > > > the
> > > > > CA
> > > > > cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the proper URL
> > > > > as
> > > > > stated in the cert.
> > > > > For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable HTTPS" - it
> > > > > will
> > > > > not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with IP)
> > > > > and
> > > > > without cert imported.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't being
> > > > > > > considered.
> > > > > > > Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular among
> > > > > > > server
> > > > > > > admin types? Not sure.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on blackberry
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Even
> > > > > the devel env with debugger etc(!!!)
> > > > > Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure -
> > > > > Martin?
> > > > > Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very
> > > > > insterested
> > > > > in
> > > > > porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very uncertain -
> > > > > not
> > > > > sure
> > > > > who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
> > > > 
> > > > Heya,
> > > > I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've started
> > > > designing
> > > > the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were going
> > > > with
> > > > objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone only as
> > > > the
> > > > first
> > > > iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
> > > > 
> > > > But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile development
> > > > overall
> > > > is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or
> > > > developing
> > > > two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
> > > 
> > > What about porting of spice client to IOS?
> > 
> > there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of
> > work
> > porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
> 
> Cool! I did not think about it :)
> Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?

Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients for iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us. 
But I would be very surprised if none...

> 
> > And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in
> > porting a console for it.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ok, good to know.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > 
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