[moVirt] Some thoughts about moVirt

Tomas Jelinek tjelinek at redhat.com
Tue Feb 10 08:05:47 UTC 2015 


----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> movirt at ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:50:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> 
> Ok, so I'm waiting for some documentation on how I can start working on
> movirt 

good start is this - a step by step how to setup the devel env: https://github.com/matobet/movirt

> - i.e - I'm at my other in law's house - we have DSL modem  +
> wireless network at home.
> I have Galaxy note S4, linux machine

this is fine

> + eclipse  + android plugin. Now what?

this is not :) eclipse has been pretty much abandoned by google and setting up the devel env in it is somewhere in between impossible and totally impossible. 
Just follow the description from the page above - you need the http://tools.android.com/download/studio/canary/1-0-0

Than you can use this IDE to either open an emulator of the android device (if you have strong machine it is fine) or you can connect your phone using USB to the machine and 
deploy movirt to it directly (it supports also remote debug, logs etc). 

> How can I "surf" from my mobile device to a local oVirt installation?

so, if the machine with ovirt is connected to the wifi router and your mobile is connected to the same router, you are on the same network. So lets say the engine's ip is:
192.169.122.2
and it is listening on https, than in movirt in settings page fill something like this:
https://192.169.122.2:443/ovirt-engine/api
and in the same settings pick "Disable HTTPS" to avoid to play with the certs.

Tomas

> 
> Cheers,
> Yair
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > movirt at ovirt.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>
> > > > > Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>
> > > > > > To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > > > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > > > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > > "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Martin
> > > > > > > Polednik"
> > > > > > > <mpoledni at redhat.com>, movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> > > > > > > > <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > > > "sphoorti joglekar"
> > > > > > > > <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
> > > > > > > > <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> > > > > > > > > <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > > > > "sphoorti joglekar"
> > > > > > > > > <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
> > > > > > > > > <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > > > > > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get
> > > > > > > > > > involved
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > moVirt.
> > > > > > > > > > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get
> > > > > > > > > > soon
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > "monster
> > > > > > > > > > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it.
> > > > > > > > > > Ok,
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > install
> > > > > > > > > > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what?
> > > > > > > > > > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the mobile
> > > > > > > > > > device
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is not
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > "strictly
> > > > > > > > > > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will ease
> > > > > > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > > developing. I would like to know how I can start
> > > > > > > > > > contributing
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > moVirt.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the
> > > > > > > > > > technology?
> > > > > > > > > > Native
> > > > > > > > > > Java
> > > > > > > > > > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should
> > > > > > > > > > encourage
> > > > > > > > > > somehow
> > > > > > > > > > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > Yair
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Oops, sorry for that.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D
> > > > > > > > > I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation,
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > plans
> > > > > > > > > to do more?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem +
> > > > > > > > router
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > home,
> > > > > > > > how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see
> > > > > > > oVirt
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It
> > > > > > > contains
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some
> > > > > > > documentation
> > > > > > > on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env.
> > > > > > > Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But
> > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > wiki
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal
> > > > > > > consequences
> > > > > > > :D
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > fill
> > > > > > > the API URL, name and password.
> > > > > > > Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > CA
> > > > > > > cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the proper
> > > > > > > URL
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > stated in the cert.
> > > > > > > For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable HTTPS"
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with
> > > > > > > IP)
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > without cert imported.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > considered.
> > > > > > > > > Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular
> > > > > > > > > among
> > > > > > > > > server
> > > > > > > > > admin types? Not sure.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on
> > > > > > > blackberry
> > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > Even
> > > > > > > the devel env with debugger etc(!!!)
> > > > > > > Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure -
> > > > > > > Martin?
> > > > > > > Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very
> > > > > > > insterested
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very uncertain
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Heya,
> > > > > > I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've started
> > > > > > designing
> > > > > > the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone only
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile
> > > > > > development
> > > > > > overall
> > > > > > is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or
> > > > > > developing
> > > > > > two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > What about porting of spice client to IOS?
> > > > 
> > > > there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot
> > > > of
> > > > work
> > > > porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
> > > 
> > > Cool! I did not think about it :)
> > > Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
> > 
> > Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients
> > for
> > iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us.
> > But I would be very surprised if none...
> > 
> > > 
> > > > And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point
> > > > in
> > > > porting a console for it.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ok, good to know.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
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