[Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
Hi, I just wanted to share a partial result from testing of engine db load during operation (SQL queries frequencies). Maybe, we can decide later, if some SQL queries result CACHING can boost throughput for larger deployments. The caching technology can be from a simple HashMap lookup to deployments of something like http://ehcache.org/ (memory database). I prepared two simple scenarios: - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 1 VM, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 10 VMs from one pool, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) Appending 2 spreadsheets with data about the most used SQL queries (generated by PostgreSQL standard pg_statements_stat module). e.g. - 2nd row shows number of granted connections from the db pool (e.g. can be used to set optimal connection pool size) (check of connection health: select 1) - most of the queries are wrapped by a PLSQL function so we see a wrapper: /select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3)/ and near to it the 'real' query: /SELECT vds_groups_view.*// // FROM vds_groups_view// // WHERE vds_group_id = v_vds_group_id// // AND (NOT v_is_filtered OR EXISTS (SELECT 1// // FROM user_vds_groups_permissions_view// // WHERE user_id = v_user_id AND entity_id = v_vds_group_id))// / Just as an example, I selected in yellow color some queries, which probably do not change often, but are very frequent. Other tools like 'pg_top' can provide runtime statistics of db processes (cpu, mem, locks, ... views). By enabling debug level logging of PostgreSQL we can check real values to the queries. Of course, it would be useful to run such tests with many hosts and VMs to predict scaling issues. More info about tools configuration: http://www.ovirt.org/Engine_database_performance_monitoring Regards, Libor
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From: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> To: engine-devel@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:44:10 PM Subject: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
Hi, I just wanted to share a partial result from testing of engine db load during operation (SQL queries frequencies). Maybe, we can decide later, if some SQL queries result CACHING can boost throughput for larger deployments.
The caching technology can be from a simple HashMap lookup to deployments of something like http://ehcache.org/ (memory database).
I prepared two simple scenarios:
- oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 1 VM, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 10 VMs from one pool, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state)
Appending 2 spreadsheets with data about the most used SQL queries (generated by PostgreSQL standard pg_statements_stat module).
e.g. - 2nd row shows number of granted connections from the db pool (e.g. can be used to set optimal connection pool size) (check of connection health: select 1) - most of the queries are wrapped by a PLSQL function so we see a wrapper:
select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3)
and near to it the 'real' query:
SELECT vds_groups_view.* FROM vds_groups_view WHERE vds_group_id = v_vds_group_id AND (NOT v_is_filtered OR EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM user_vds_groups_permissions_view WHERE user_id = v_user_id AND entity_id = v_vds_group_id))
Just as an example, I selected in yellow color some queries, which probably do not change often, but are very frequent.
Thanks Libor for taking te time to do that. The problematic queries are those that involves all kinds of *permissions* checks with the complicated & expensive permission handling views. I believe that using Snapshot Materialized Views as defined in http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt-DB-Issues/MaterializedViews will solve the major part of those problems. We are currently verifying this approach and my recommendation is to have all *permissions* views as Snapshot Materialized Views that are updated via a cron job.
Other tools like 'pg_top' can provide runtime statistics of db processes (cpu, mem, locks, ... views).
By enabling debug level logging of PostgreSQL we can check real values to the queries.
Of course, it would be useful to run such tests with many hosts and VMs to predict scaling issues.
More info about tools configuration: http://www.ovirt.org/Engine_database_performance_monitoring
Regards, Libor
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From: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> To: engine-devel@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:44:10 PM Subject: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
Hi, I just wanted to share a partial result from testing of engine db load during operation (SQL queries frequencies). Maybe, we can decide later, if some SQL queries result CACHING can boost throughput for larger deployments.
The caching technology can be from a simple HashMap lookup to deployments of something like http://ehcache.org/ (memory database).
I prepared two simple scenarios:
- oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 1 VM, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 10 VMs from one pool, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state)
Appending 2 spreadsheets with data about the most used SQL queries (generated by PostgreSQL standard pg_statements_stat module).
e.g. - 2nd row shows number of granted connections from the db pool (e.g. can be used to set optimal connection pool size) (check of connection health: select 1) - most of the queries are wrapped by a PLSQL function so we see a wrapper:
select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3)
and near to it the 'real' query:
SELECT vds_groups_view.* FROM vds_groups_view WHERE vds_group_id = v_vds_group_id AND (NOT v_is_filtered OR EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM user_vds_groups_permissions_view WHERE user_id = v_user_id AND entity_id = v_vds_group_id))
Just as an example, I selected in yellow color some queries, which probably do not change often, but are very frequent. Thanks Libor for taking te time to do that. The problematic queries are those that involves all kinds of *permissions* checks with the complicated & expensive permission handling views. I believe that using Snapshot Materialized Views as defined in http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt-DB-Issues/MaterializedViews will solve the major part of those problems. We are currently verifying this approach and my recommendation is to have all *permissions* views as Snapshot Materialized Views that are updated via a cron job.
I think there could be performace improvement with M-views, of course. There is some overhead just with their maintainance, e.g. refreshing, updating existing dependent objects (table name renames, ...), not sure about NATIVE implementation level status in PostgreSQL, according to e.g. Oracle db capabilities (MV-logs + M-views). http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Materialized_Views Still, if the Engine gathers statistics nearly in real time, my question would be, if there is a need of round-trip to the database and back at all for frequent queries.
Other tools like 'pg_top' can provide runtime statistics of db processes (cpu, mem, locks, ... views).
By enabling debug level logging of PostgreSQL we can check real values to the queries.
Of course, it would be useful to run such tests with many hosts and VMs to predict scaling issues.
More info about tools configuration: http://www.ovirt.org/Engine_database_performance_monitoring
Regards, Libor
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--------------070900000300000301050701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21.2.2013 17:11, Eli Mesika wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:1813120861.5022837.1361463071783.JavaMail.root@redhat.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">----- Original Message ----- </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">From: "Libor Spevak" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lspevak@redhat.com"><lspevak@redhat.com></a> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:engine-devel@ovirt.org">engine-devel@ovirt.org</a> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:44:10 PM Subject: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring Hi, I just wanted to share a partial result from testing of engine db load during operation (SQL queries frequencies). Maybe, we can decide later, if some SQL queries result CACHING can boost throughput for larger deployments. The caching technology can be from a simple HashMap lookup to deployments of something like <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ehcache.org/">http://ehcache.org/</a> (memory database). I prepared two simple scenarios: - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 1 VM, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 10 VMs from one pool, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) Appending 2 spreadsheets with data about the most used SQL queries (generated by PostgreSQL standard pg_statements_stat module). e.g. - 2nd row shows number of granted connections from the db pool (e.g. can be used to set optimal connection pool size) (check of connection health: select 1) - most of the queries are wrapped by a PLSQL function so we see a wrapper: select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3) and near to it the 'real' query: SELECT vds_groups_view.* FROM vds_groups_view WHERE vds_group_id = v_vds_group_id AND (NOT v_is_filtered OR EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM user_vds_groups_permissions_view WHERE user_id = v_user_id AND entity_id = v_vds_group_id)) Just as an example, I selected in yellow color some queries, which probably do not change often, but are very frequent. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Thanks Libor for taking te time to do that. The problematic queries are those that involves all kinds of *permissions* checks with the complicated & expensive permission handling views. I believe that using Snapshot Materialized Views as defined in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt-DB-Issues/MaterializedViews">http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt-DB-Issues/MaterializedViews</a> will solve the major part of those problems. We are currently verifying this approach and my recommendation is to have all *permissions* views as Snapshot Materialized Views that are updated via a cron job. </pre> </blockquote> I think there could be performace improvement with M-views, of course. There is some overhead just with their maintainance, e.g. refreshing, updating existing dependent objects (table name renames, ...), not sure about NATIVE implementation level status in PostgreSQL, according to e.g. Oracle db capabilities (MV-logs + M-views).<br> <br> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <a href="http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Materialized_Views">http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Materialized_Views</a><br> <br> Still, if the Engine gathers statistics nearly in real time, my question would be, if there is a need of round-trip to the database and back at all for frequent queries.<br> <br> <blockquote cite="mid:1813120861.5022837.1361463071783.JavaMail.root@redhat.com" type="cite"><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Other tools like 'pg_top' can provide runtime statistics of db processes (cpu, mem, locks, ... views). By enabling debug level logging of PostgreSQL we can check real values to the queries. Of course, it would be useful to run such tests with many hosts and VMs to predict scaling issues. More info about tools configuration: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ovirt.org/Engine_database_performance_monitoring">http://www.ovirt.org/Engine_database_performance_monitoring</a> Regards, Libor _______________________________________________ Engine-devel mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Engine-devel@ovirt.org">Engine-devel@ovirt.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel</a> </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> --------------070900000300000301050701--
----- Original Message -----
From: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> To: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> Cc: engine-devel@ovirt.org, "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Barak Azulay" <bazulay@redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:50:58 PM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
On 21.2.2013 17:11, Eli Mesika wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> To: engine-devel@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:44:10 PM Subject: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
Hi, I just wanted to share a partial result from testing of engine db load during operation (SQL queries frequencies). Maybe, we can decide later, if some SQL queries result CACHING can boost throughput for larger deployments.
The caching technology can be from a simple HashMap lookup to deployments of something like http://ehcache.org/ (memory database).
I prepared two simple scenarios:
- oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 1 VM, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 10 VMs from one pool, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state)
Appending 2 spreadsheets with data about the most used SQL queries (generated by PostgreSQL standard pg_statements_stat module).
e.g. - 2nd row shows number of granted connections from the db pool (e.g. can be used to set optimal connection pool size) (check of connection health: select 1) - most of the queries are wrapped by a PLSQL function so we see a wrapper:
select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3)
and near to it the 'real' query:
SELECT vds_groups_view.* FROM vds_groups_view WHERE vds_group_id = v_vds_group_id AND (NOT v_is_filtered OR EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM user_vds_groups_permissions_view WHERE user_id = v_user_id AND entity_id = v_vds_group_id))
Just as an example, I selected in yellow color some queries, which probably do not change often, but are very frequent. Thanks Libor for taking te time to do that. The problematic queries are those that involves all kinds of *permissions* checks with the complicated & expensive permission handling views. I believe that using Snapshot Materialized Views as defined in http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt-DB-Issues/MaterializedViews will solve the major part of those problems. We are currently verifying this approach and my recommendation is to have all *permissions* views as Snapshot Materialized Views that are updated via a cron job. I think there could be performace improvement with M-views, of course. There is some overhead just with their maintainance, e.g. refreshing, updating existing dependent objects (table name renames, ...),
Refresh of *permission* views was tested with 2 views 160,000 records each and was about 2 sec
not sure about NATIVE implementation level status in PostgreSQL, according to e.g. Oracle db capabilities (MV-logs + M-views).
AFAIK Postgres is not going to implement that in the near future
Still, if the Engine gathers statistics nearly in real time, my question would be, if there is a need of round-trip to the database and back at all for frequent queries.
Depends what is the cost of this round-trip , if it is very cheep as I showed when I tested M-Views I think that DB query is still a good and natural choice
Other tools like 'pg_top' can provide runtime statistics of db processes (cpu, mem, locks, ... views).
By enabling debug level logging of PostgreSQL we can check real values to the queries.
Of course, it would be useful to run such tests with many hosts and VMs to predict scaling issues.
More info about tools configuration: http://www.ovirt.org/Engine_database_performance_monitoring Regards, Libor
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From: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> To: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> Cc: engine-devel@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:46:07 AM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
----- Original Message -----
From: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> To: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> Cc: engine-devel@ovirt.org, "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Barak Azulay" <bazulay@redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:50:58 PM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
On 21.2.2013 17:11, Eli Mesika wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> To: engine-devel@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:44:10 PM Subject: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
Hi, I just wanted to share a partial result from testing of engine db load during operation (SQL queries frequencies). Maybe, we can decide later, if some SQL queries result CACHING can boost throughput for larger deployments.
The caching technology can be from a simple HashMap lookup to deployments of something like http://ehcache.org/ (memory database).
I prepared two simple scenarios:
- oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 1 VM, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 10 VMs from one pool, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state)
Appending 2 spreadsheets with data about the most used SQL queries (generated by PostgreSQL standard pg_statements_stat module).
e.g. - 2nd row shows number of granted connections from the db pool (e.g. can be used to set optimal connection pool size) (check of connection health: select 1) - most of the queries are wrapped by a PLSQL function so we see a wrapper:
select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3)
and near to it the 'real' query:
SELECT vds_groups_view.* FROM vds_groups_view WHERE vds_group_id = v_vds_group_id AND (NOT v_is_filtered OR EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM user_vds_groups_permissions_view WHERE user_id = v_user_id AND entity_id = v_vds_group_id))
Just as an example, I selected in yellow color some queries, which probably do not change often, but are very frequent. Thanks Libor for taking te time to do that. The problematic queries are those that involves all kinds of *permissions* checks with the complicated & expensive permission handling views. I believe that using Snapshot Materialized Views as defined in http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt-DB-Issues/MaterializedViews will solve the major part of those problems. We are currently verifying this approach and my recommendation is to have all *permissions* views as Snapshot Materialized Views that are updated via a cron job. I think there could be performace improvement with M-views, of course. There is some overhead just with their maintainance, e.g. refreshing, updating existing dependent objects (table name renames, ...),
Refresh of *permission* views was tested with 2 views 160,000 records each and was about 2 sec
not sure about NATIVE implementation level status in PostgreSQL, according to e.g. Oracle db capabilities (MV-logs + M-views).
AFAIK Postgres is not going to implement that in the near future
Still, if the Engine gathers statistics nearly in real time, my question would be, if there is a need of round-trip to the database and back at all for frequent queries.
Depends what is the cost of this round-trip , if it is very cheep as I showed when I tested M-Views I think that DB query is still a good and natural choice
Other tools like 'pg_top' can provide runtime statistics of db processes (cpu, mem, locks, ... views).
By enabling debug level logging of PostgreSQL we can check real values to the queries.
Of course, it would be useful to run such tests with many hosts and VMs to predict scaling issues.
More info about tools configuration: http://www.ovirt.org/Engine_database_performance_monitoring Regards, Libor
Due the following discussion I checked uses of "select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3)" query and find out that we have three call for such query during monitoring and we need only one, so the following patch should reduce a number of such queries during monitoring process http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/12433/ The next step is, by my opinion, is start to use cache for not often changed object, VdsGroup is classical example of such object.
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From: "Michael Kublin" <mkublin@redhat.com> To: engine-devel@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:23:01 AM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> To: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> Cc: engine-devel@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:46:07 AM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
----- Original Message -----
From: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> To: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> Cc: engine-devel@ovirt.org, "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Barak Azulay" <bazulay@redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:50:58 PM Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
On 21.2.2013 17:11, Eli Mesika wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Libor Spevak" <lspevak@redhat.com> To: engine-devel@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:44:10 PM Subject: [Engine-devel] DB Performance Monitoring
Hi, I just wanted to share a partial result from testing of engine db load during operation (SQL queries frequencies). Maybe, we can decide later, if some SQL queries result CACHING can boost throughput for larger deployments.
The caching technology can be from a simple HashMap lookup to deployments of something like http://ehcache.org/ (memory database).
I prepared two simple scenarios:
- oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 1 VM, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state) - oVirt engine, 2 hosts, 10 VMs from one pool, running 15 minutes (Power on + Up state)
Appending 2 spreadsheets with data about the most used SQL queries (generated by PostgreSQL standard pg_statements_stat module).
e.g. - 2nd row shows number of granted connections from the db pool (e.g. can be used to set optimal connection pool size) (check of connection health: select 1) - most of the queries are wrapped by a PLSQL function so we see a wrapper:
select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3)
and near to it the 'real' query:
SELECT vds_groups_view.* FROM vds_groups_view WHERE vds_group_id = v_vds_group_id AND (NOT v_is_filtered OR EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM user_vds_groups_permissions_view WHERE user_id = v_user_id AND entity_id = v_vds_group_id))
Just as an example, I selected in yellow color some queries, which probably do not change often, but are very frequent. Thanks Libor for taking te time to do that. The problematic queries are those that involves all kinds of *permissions* checks with the complicated & expensive permission handling views. I believe that using Snapshot Materialized Views as defined in http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt-DB-Issues/MaterializedViews will solve the major part of those problems. We are currently verifying this approach and my recommendation is to have all *permissions* views as Snapshot Materialized Views that are updated via a cron job. I think there could be performace improvement with M-views, of course. There is some overhead just with their maintainance, e.g. refreshing, updating existing dependent objects (table name renames, ...),
Refresh of *permission* views was tested with 2 views 160,000 records each and was about 2 sec
not sure about NATIVE implementation level status in PostgreSQL, according to e.g. Oracle db capabilities (MV-logs + M-views).
AFAIK Postgres is not going to implement that in the near future
Still, if the Engine gathers statistics nearly in real time, my question would be, if there is a need of round-trip to the database and back at all for frequent queries.
Depends what is the cost of this round-trip , if it is very cheep as I showed when I tested M-Views I think that DB query is still a good and natural choice
Other tools like 'pg_top' can provide runtime statistics of db processes (cpu, mem, locks, ... views).
By enabling debug level logging of PostgreSQL we can check real values to the queries.
Of course, it would be useful to run such tests with many hosts and VMs to predict scaling issues.
More info about tools configuration: http://www.ovirt.org/Engine_database_performance_monitoring Regards, Libor
Due the following discussion I checked uses of "select * from getvdsgroupbyvdsgroupid($1, $2, $3)" query and find out that we have three call for such query during monitoring and we need only one, so the following patch should reduce a number of such queries during monitoring process http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/12433/
ACK, thanks for that.
The next step is, by my opinion, is start to use cache for not often changed object, VdsGroup is classical example of such object.
+1 - and another issue I wanted to take a look into - Please notice we have entities representing views. I have a feeling we abuse VM (for example) too much - we use AuditLoggableBase to "cache" vm - but still - I bet that in some flows we don't need the entire VM -> we might need only static (or dynamic part) of it. We should take a look into this as well . Getting vm dynamic from db instead of vm means less joins. Same applies for vds and storage_domains Yair
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On 02/26/2013 10:30 AM, Yair Zaslavsky wrote:
The next step is, by my opinion, is start to use cache for not often
changed object, VdsGroup is classical example of such object. +1 - and another issue I wanted to take a look into - Please notice we have entities representing views. I have a feeling we abuse VM (for example) too much - we use AuditLoggableBase to "cache" vm - but still - I bet that in some flows we don't need the entire VM -> we might need only static (or dynamic part) of it. We should take a look into this as well . Getting vm dynamic from db instead of vm means less joins. Same applies for vds and storage_domains
lets be careful with adding caches - I'm not sure lightweight queries to the db, which probably has this in its cache are a critical bottleneck, while adding caches adds potential for bugs, and will make it harder to scale out.
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