Is there hope for slack over IRC? The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
Some of the teams have dedicated slack channels. We don't have a global ovirt team one that I know of. You can disable connect / disconnect chatter with a setting in hexchat. And you can catch what you missed by using an irc proxy. Full disclosure : I love slack and would love to see us fully cut over. Greg Sheremeta, MBA Sr. Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. gshereme@redhat.com On Aug 23, 2017 10:31 PM, "Marc Young" <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote: Is there hope for slack over IRC? The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole) _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> wrote:
Some of the teams have dedicated slack channels. We don't have a global ovirt team one that I know of.
There's https://ovirt.slack.com/ - but I'm not sure how used it is. Y.
You can disable connect / disconnect chatter with a setting in hexchat. And you can catch what you missed by using an irc proxy.
Full disclosure : I love slack and would love to see us fully cut over.
Greg Sheremeta, MBA Sr. Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. gshereme@redhat.com
On Aug 23, 2017 10:31 PM, "Marc Young" <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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That slack team requires either an invite or an `@redhat.com` email to sign up On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:58 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> wrote:
Some of the teams have dedicated slack channels. We don't have a global ovirt team one that I know of.
There's https://ovirt.slack.com/ - but I'm not sure how used it is. Y.
You can disable connect / disconnect chatter with a setting in hexchat. And you can catch what you missed by using an irc proxy.
Full disclosure : I love slack and would love to see us fully cut over.
Greg Sheremeta, MBA Sr. Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. gshereme@redhat.com
On Aug 23, 2017 10:31 PM, "Marc Young" <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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I think Roy is mostly using it, so maybe he can update the settings. On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
That slack team requires either an invite or an `@redhat.com` email to sign up
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:58 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> wrote:
Some of the teams have dedicated slack channels. We don't have a global ovirt team one that I know of.
There's https://ovirt.slack.com/ - but I'm not sure how used it is. Y.
You can disable connect / disconnect chatter with a setting in hexchat. And you can catch what you missed by using an irc proxy.
Full disclosure : I love slack and would love to see us fully cut over.
Greg Sheremeta, MBA Sr. Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. gshereme@redhat.com
On Aug 23, 2017 10:31 PM, "Marc Young" <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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Marc, I just sent you an invitation, see if you can signup. On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Eyal Edri <eedri@redhat.com> wrote:
I think Roy is mostly using it, so maybe he can update the settings.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
That slack team requires either an invite or an `@redhat.com` email to sign up
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:58 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> wrote:
Some of the teams have dedicated slack channels. We don't have a global ovirt team one that I know of.
There's https://ovirt.slack.com/ - but I'm not sure how used it is. Y.
You can disable connect / disconnect chatter with a setting in hexchat. And you can catch what you missed by using an irc proxy.
Full disclosure : I love slack and would love to see us fully cut over.
Greg Sheremeta, MBA Sr. Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. gshereme@redhat.com
On Aug 23, 2017 10:31 PM, "Marc Young" <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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I think SLA uses is mostly and it works well for them but there isn't much presence of all other teams on slack. Opening the discussion here, I think we need to give our community a push here, and modernize the communication our channel. Lets consider: - slack - gitter - self hosted service Slack experience is good, but again, wasn't adopted much further by ovirt. Some folks prefer other OS solution. I think gitter plays nice for communities and uses your github identity so its open for everyone. Slack is bit different in the approach. But I don't have experience with gitter at all so help out here people who do. Self hosted service, like RocketChat, means $$$ and time, and is less visible on the internet but has other advantages of course. Sandro, Eyal maybe you already have something up your sleeve? On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 16:00 Eyal Edri <eedri@redhat.com> wrote:
Marc, I just sent you an invitation, see if you can signup.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Eyal Edri <eedri@redhat.com> wrote:
I think Roy is mostly using it, so maybe he can update the settings.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
That slack team requires either an invite or an `@redhat.com` email to sign up
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:58 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> wrote:
Some of the teams have dedicated slack channels. We don't have a global ovirt team one that I know of.
There's https://ovirt.slack.com/ - but I'm not sure how used it is. Y.
You can disable connect / disconnect chatter with a setting in hexchat. And you can catch what you missed by using an irc proxy.
Full disclosure : I love slack and would love to see us fully cut over.
Greg Sheremeta, MBA Sr. Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. gshereme@redhat.com
On Aug 23, 2017 10:31 PM, "Marc Young" <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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Like an alternative to Slack or gitter, you can run ZNC <https://wiki.znc.in/ZNC> server on some VM, that will save all messages for you. On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 at 11:14 Artyom Lukianov <alukiano@redhat.com> wrote:
Like an alternative to Slack or gitter, you can run ZNC <https://wiki.znc.in/ZNC> server on some VM, that will save all messages for you.
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
Meaning it is federated, you can connect to any server you want and the protocol is open and dead simple + there are hundreds of clients. Including web based.. in case you did not look. The same applies to archiver services for IRC. So just setup an archive, publish the irc information + a link to web based client and you get the best of both worlds. The only alternative that got close was Jabber (IM, groups and supports file transfers), too bad the adoption there is stagnating. Martin On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Roy Golan <rgolan@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 at 11:14 Artyom Lukianov <alukiano@redhat.com> wrote:
Like an alternative to Slack or gitter, you can run ZNC server on some VM, that will save all messages for you.
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Martin Sivak <msivak@redhat.com> wrote:
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
Meaning it is federated, you can connect to any server you want and the protocol is open and dead simple + there are hundreds of clients. Including web based.. in case you did not look. The same applies to archiver services for IRC.
So just setup an archive, publish the irc information + a link to web based client and you get the best of both worlds.
"Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain. How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC server behind openvpn? What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you know the archiver hasn't failed? Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their client) can see them? Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and jira? (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat) I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling my own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my day. Just some random thoughts I had. I probably said the same stuff last time this came up. Best wishes, Greg
The only alternative that got close was Jabber (IM, groups and supports file transfers), too bad the adoption there is stagnating.
Martin
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Roy Golan <rgolan@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 at 11:14 Artyom Lukianov <alukiano@redhat.com> wrote:
Like an alternative to Slack or gitter, you can run ZNC server on some
VM,
that will save all messages for you.
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
_______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
"Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain.
Why everyone? Someone at oVirt can prepare that for others and just keep it running. The same we would have to do with Rocket for example. The difference is that people can use their own client if they want, that is not an option with Slack. Free tier Slack will become unusable once more people join, the persistent history limit will be depleted very quickly.
How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC server behind openvpn?
The same as Slack. It does not. But I am not talking about local web based client. I am talking about public web based gateway that uses irc/jabber internally.
What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you know the archiver hasn't failed?
How do you know that with Slack? The guarantees are exactly the same.. none. Real time messaging is not meant for important messages. We have email (well...) and bugzilla for that. You can get guarantees for money I guess, but not in any free service.
Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and jira? (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat)
I was able to google couple of different projects, there definitely is a JIRA irc notification plugin in use (#optaplanner-dev@freenode uses it). But some setup is probably required..
Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their client) can see them?
This is the biggest pain of all alternative solutions. You need storage.. Jabber is better than IRC in this sense, firewall traversal for direct data transfer is not one of irc's strongpoints.
I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling my own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my day.
And are you willing to have multiple different communication tools open just because you are part of multiple communities? I already need email (more than one), bugzilla, Trello, IRC and Slack (my Jabber community kind of died..) and it is becoming too much sometimes.. Slack at least offers limited gateway to both IRC and Jabber: https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-to-Slack-over-IRC... We can drop IRC, but we need adequate replacement for people who are not purely web based and work on multiple different projects. I currently have 15 open irc channels and I will prefer any multi-protocol or federated solution over closed one any day. Martin On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Martin Sivak <msivak@redhat.com> wrote:
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
Meaning it is federated, you can connect to any server you want and the protocol is open and dead simple + there are hundreds of clients. Including web based.. in case you did not look. The same applies to archiver services for IRC.
So just setup an archive, publish the irc information + a link to web based client and you get the best of both worlds.
"Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain.
How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC server behind openvpn?
What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you know the archiver hasn't failed?
Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their client) can see them?
Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and jira? (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat)
I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling my own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my day.
Just some random thoughts I had. I probably said the same stuff last time this came up.
Best wishes, Greg
The only alternative that got close was Jabber (IM, groups and supports file transfers), too bad the adoption there is stagnating.
Martin
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Roy Golan <rgolan@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 at 11:14 Artyom Lukianov <alukiano@redhat.com> wrote:
Like an alternative to Slack or gitter, you can run ZNC server on some VM, that will save all messages for you.
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
_______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
FWIW I was mostly coming in from the community perspective. While I'm sure most can do proxies/vpn's/etc Im more curious about lowering the barrier from people like me writing 3rd party tools that will have quick project related questions such as: * is this a bug * where do i put in a ticket * is this code wrong It would be nice to just be able to load up slack (the new unofficial standard) and be able to chat quickly with others without a ton of barriers. As far as for the full project there are a ton of other issues at play, but theres tons to gain from being able to meet/greet/etc with devs on the project. Gitter also seems to be good for that, much more than slack for just being available, but Ive been on IRC and have asked, seen others ask, and havent really seen much back and forth, theyre mostly all dead channels (slack included) On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Martin Sivak <msivak@redhat.com> wrote:
"Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain.
Why everyone? Someone at oVirt can prepare that for others and just keep it running. The same we would have to do with Rocket for example. The difference is that people can use their own client if they want, that is not an option with Slack. Free tier Slack will become unusable once more people join, the persistent history limit will be depleted very quickly.
How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC server behind openvpn?
The same as Slack. It does not. But I am not talking about local web based client. I am talking about public web based gateway that uses irc/jabber internally.
What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you know the archiver hasn't failed?
How do you know that with Slack? The guarantees are exactly the same.. none. Real time messaging is not meant for important messages. We have email (well...) and bugzilla for that. You can get guarantees for money I guess, but not in any free service.
Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and jira? (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat)
I was able to google couple of different projects, there definitely is a JIRA irc notification plugin in use (#optaplanner-dev@freenode uses it). But some setup is probably required..
Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their client) can see them?
This is the biggest pain of all alternative solutions. You need storage.. Jabber is better than IRC in this sense, firewall traversal for direct data transfer is not one of irc's strongpoints.
I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling my own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my day.
And are you willing to have multiple different communication tools open just because you are part of multiple communities? I already need email (more than one), bugzilla, Trello, IRC and Slack (my Jabber community kind of died..) and it is becoming too much sometimes..
Slack at least offers limited gateway to both IRC and Jabber: https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect- to-Slack-over-IRC-and-XMPP
We can drop IRC, but we need adequate replacement for people who are not purely web based and work on multiple different projects. I currently have 15 open irc channels and I will prefer any multi-protocol or federated solution over closed one any day.
Martin
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Martin Sivak <msivak@redhat.com> wrote:
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
Meaning it is federated, you can connect to any server you want and the protocol is open and dead simple + there are hundreds of clients. Including web based.. in case you did not look. The same applies to archiver services for IRC.
So just setup an archive, publish the irc information + a link to web based client and you get the best of both worlds.
"Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain.
How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC server behind openvpn?
What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you
know
the archiver hasn't failed?
Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their client) can see them?
Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and jira? (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat)
I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling my own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my day.
Just some random thoughts I had. I probably said the same stuff last time this came up.
Best wishes, Greg
The only alternative that got close was Jabber (IM, groups and supports file transfers), too bad the adoption there is stagnating.
Martin
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Roy Golan <rgolan@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 at 11:14 Artyom Lukianov <alukiano@redhat.com>
wrote:
Like an alternative to Slack or gitter, you can run ZNC server on
some
VM, that will save all messages for you.
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there hope for slack over IRC?
The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and offline being a black hole)
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Gitter also seems to be good for that, much more than slack for just being available, but Ive been on IRC and have asked, seen others ask, and havent really seen much back and forth, theyre mostly all dead channels (slack included)
IRC is not too busy, but when it is, it is mostly during European working hours.. not much activity from the devs during US working hours as we mostly sit in EMEA. That might not be an obvious limitation and it might give bad impression too. Martin On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I was mostly coming in from the community perspective. While I'm sure most can do proxies/vpn's/etc Im more curious about lowering the barrier from people like me writing 3rd party tools that will have quick project related questions such as:
* is this a bug * where do i put in a ticket * is this code wrong
It would be nice to just be able to load up slack (the new unofficial standard) and be able to chat quickly with others without a ton of barriers. As far as for the full project there are a ton of other issues at play, but theres tons to gain from being able to meet/greet/etc with devs on the project.
Gitter also seems to be good for that, much more than slack for just being available, but Ive been on IRC and have asked, seen others ask, and havent really seen much back and forth, theyre mostly all dead channels (slack included)
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Martin Sivak <msivak@redhat.com> wrote:
"Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain.
Why everyone? Someone at oVirt can prepare that for others and just keep it running. The same we would have to do with Rocket for example. The difference is that people can use their own client if they want, that is not an option with Slack. Free tier Slack will become unusable once more people join, the persistent history limit will be depleted very quickly.
How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC server behind openvpn?
The same as Slack. It does not. But I am not talking about local web based client. I am talking about public web based gateway that uses irc/jabber internally.
What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you know the archiver hasn't failed?
How do you know that with Slack? The guarantees are exactly the same.. none. Real time messaging is not meant for important messages. We have email (well...) and bugzilla for that. You can get guarantees for money I guess, but not in any free service.
Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and jira? (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat)
I was able to google couple of different projects, there definitely is a JIRA irc notification plugin in use (#optaplanner-dev@freenode uses it). But some setup is probably required..
Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their client) can see them?
This is the biggest pain of all alternative solutions. You need storage.. Jabber is better than IRC in this sense, firewall traversal for direct data transfer is not one of irc's strongpoints.
I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling my own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my day.
And are you willing to have multiple different communication tools open just because you are part of multiple communities? I already need email (more than one), bugzilla, Trello, IRC and Slack (my Jabber community kind of died..) and it is becoming too much sometimes..
Slack at least offers limited gateway to both IRC and Jabber:
https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-to-Slack-over-IRC...
We can drop IRC, but we need adequate replacement for people who are not purely web based and work on multiple different projects. I currently have 15 open irc channels and I will prefer any multi-protocol or federated solution over closed one any day.
Martin
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Martin Sivak <msivak@redhat.com> wrote:
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
Meaning it is federated, you can connect to any server you want and the protocol is open and dead simple + there are hundreds of clients. Including web based.. in case you did not look. The same applies to archiver services for IRC.
So just setup an archive, publish the irc information + a link to web based client and you get the best of both worlds.
"Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain.
How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC server behind openvpn?
What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you know the archiver hasn't failed?
Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their client) can see them?
Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and jira? (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat)
I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling my own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my day.
Just some random thoughts I had. I probably said the same stuff last time this came up.
Best wishes, Greg
The only alternative that got close was Jabber (IM, groups and supports file transfers), too bad the adoption there is stagnating.
Martin
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Roy Golan <rgolan@redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 at 11:14 Artyom Lukianov <alukiano@redhat.com> wrote:
Like an alternative to Slack or gitter, you can run ZNC server on some VM, that will save all messages for you.
Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up in order to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from above-mentioned). Not everyone can/will do it.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin@gmail.com> wrote: > > Is there hope for slack over IRC? > > The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and > offline > being a black hole) > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
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