10:21 a.m.
Hello,
I started a Kimchi GUI Prototype with the Pencil tool.
First topic I would like to discuss is the base navigation proposal
shown below
1) There is a horizontal main navigation area which contains 'Host' and
'Virtualization'. 'Containers' is an example for a future plugin.
2) There is a vertical sub navigation area. Each item in the sub
navigation has an icon and a label (1 or 2 lines).
I am very interested in your feedback and would like to come to an
agreement on this.
I will discuss with Aline if we can store the Kimchi GUI Prototype at a
central place. It is packed in a single file PencilGuiPrototype.zip
Please extract this file and read ./readme.txt
To view the Kimchi GUI Prototype open file ./htmlExport/index.html in
your browser and navigate by clicking on navigation tabs/buttons.
If you want to edit the Kimchi GUI Prototype you will find further
information in ./readme.txt
Kind regards
Jan
Alternate design with the same navigation
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10:24 a.m.
New subject: Kimchi GUI Prototype, Base Navigation (without attachment PencilGuiPrototype.zip)
Hello,
I started a Kimchi GUI Prototype with the Pencil tool.
First topic I would like to discuss is the base navigation proposal
shown below
1) There is a horizontal main navigation area which contains 'Host' and
'Virtualization'. 'Containers' is an example for a future plugin.
2) There is a vertical sub navigation area. Each item in the sub
navigation has an icon and a label (1 or 2 lines).
I am very interested in your feedback and would like to come to an
agreement on this.
I will discuss with Aline if we can store the Kimchi GUI Prototype at a
central place. It is packed in a single file PencilGuiPrototype.zip
Please extract this file and read ./readme.txt
To view the Kimchi GUI Prototype open file ./htmlExport/index.html in
your browser and navigate by clicking on navigation tabs/buttons.
If you want to edit the Kimchi GUI Prototype you will find further
information in ./readme.txt
Kind regards
Jan
Alternate design with the same navigation
3:40 p.m.
Hi Jan,
What is the proposal of that?
We've already had a new UI design documentation to cover all the new UI
elements and what you are proposing here is very different from what we
are doing on new UI.
Regards,
Aline Manera
On 21/08/2015 05:21, Jan Schneider wrote:
Hello,
I started a Kimchi GUI Prototype with the Pencil tool.
First topic I would like to discuss is the base navigation proposal
shown below
1) There is a horizontal main navigation area which contains 'Host'
and 'Virtualization'. 'Containers' is an example for a future plugin.
2) There is a vertical sub navigation area. Each item in the sub
navigation has an icon and a label (1 or 2 lines).
I am very interested in your feedback and would like to come to an
agreement on this.
I will discuss with Aline if we can store the Kimchi GUI Prototype at
a central place. It is packed in a single file PencilGuiPrototype.zip
Please extract this file and read ./readme.txt
To view the Kimchi GUI Prototype open file ./htmlExport/index.html in
your browser and navigate by clicking on navigation tabs/buttons.
If you want to edit the Kimchi GUI Prototype you will find further
information in ./readme.txt
Kind regards
Jan
Alternate design with the same navigation
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4:36 p.m.
Am 21.08.2015 um 15:40 schrieb Aline Manera:
Hi Jan,
What is the proposal of that?
We've already had a new UI design documentation to cover all the new
UI elements and what you are proposing here is very different from
what we are doing on new UI.
The new UI design documentation contains some great usability
improvements but they are based on the current "master-branch"
Kimchi/Ginger design where Kimchi and the framework are tightly
interconnected.
The existing design document is proposing the following base navigation:
What's getting confusing from a usabiltiy point of view are especially
the main menue points Storage and Networks because they are refferring
to Virtual-Networks and libvirt-Storage-Pools and in the section of
Host-Management there are similar menues for Host-Network and
Host-Storage management. The menue points of Kimchi are expanding into
the top horizontal section whereas the menue points of the
Host-Management and Admin area are expanding into a vertical selection
position.
The horizontal section is limited in how much content it can display.
We should also think about additional plugins like Containers and how we
would have them show up in the UI.
I guess what I'm pleading here is to take the chance and look at the
UI-design again considering the changed circumstances and benefit from
the skill some new community members like Samuel, Jan and others are
bringing in here.
Thanks, Walter.
Regards,
Aline Manera
On 21/08/2015 05:21, Jan Schneider wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I started a Kimchi GUI Prototype with the Pencil tool.
>
> First topic I would like to discuss is the base navigation proposal
> shown below
> 1) There is a horizontal main navigation area which contains 'Host'
> and 'Virtualization'. 'Containers' is an example for a future
plugin.
> 2) There is a vertical sub navigation area. Each item in the sub
> navigation has an icon and a label (1 or 2 lines).
>
> I am very interested in your feedback and would like to come to an
> agreement on this.
>
> I will discuss with Aline if we can store the Kimchi GUI Prototype at
> a central place. It is packed in a single file PencilGuiPrototype.zip
> Please extract this file and read ./readme.txt
> To view the Kimchi GUI Prototype open file ./htmlExport/index.html in
> your browser and navigate by clicking on navigation tabs/buttons.
> If you want to edit the Kimchi GUI Prototype you will find further
> information in ./readme.txt
>
> Kind regards
> Jan
>
>
>
>
>
> Alternate design with the same navigation
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Kimchi-devel mailing list
> Kimchi-devel(a)ovirt.org
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7:09 p.m.
On 21/08/2015 11:36, Walter Niklaus wrote:
Am 21.08.2015 um 15:40 schrieb Aline Manera:
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> What is the proposal of that?
>
> We've already had a new UI design documentation to cover all the new
> UI elements and what you are proposing here is very different from
> what we are doing on new UI.
>
The new UI design documentation contains some great usability
improvements but they are based on the current "master-branch"
Kimchi/Ginger design where Kimchi and the framework are tightly
interconnected.
The existing design document is proposing the following base navigation:
What's getting confusing from a usabiltiy point of view are especially
the main menue points Storage and Networks because they are refferring
to Virtual-Networks and libvirt-Storage-Pools and in the section of
Host-Management there are similar menues for Host-Network and
Host-Storage management. The menue points of Kimchi are expanding into
the top horizontal section whereas the menue points of the
Host-Management and Admin area are expanding into a vertical selection
position.
The horizontal section is limited in how much content it can display.
We should also think about additional plugins like Containers and how
we would have them show up in the UI.
I guess what I'm pleading here is to take the chance and look at the
UI-design again considering the changed circumstances and benefit from
the skill some new community members like Samuel, Jan and others are
bringing in here.
Thanks, Walter.
Thanks for the clarification, Walter!
My concerns are about Kimchi plans. Related to that, I want to make
clear some points:
1) At this time, the new UI will be develop (and released for 1.6) as it
was designed (Check:
https://github.com/kimchi-project/kimchi/wiki/UI-Design-Proposals)
We've already had a lot of discussion on that and the new UI is
planned for the end of September, ie, less than 2 months from now.
So no new changes fit Kimchi schedule at this moment.
That *does not* mean we can not improve and discussion new ideas.
But it will be implemented only after new UI is released.
2) Wok is a web server framework for plugins. It will provide basic UI
elements and widgets which *can be* reused for the plugins.
How the plugins are designed is only related to the each plugin.
3) The vertical menu is in the new UI documentation for small screens
(responsive web design) so the UI will adjust the elements according to
screen size.
4) I don't see any benefit in grouping content in one tab. Each plugin
can launch as many tabs as it wants. Kimchi decides for 4. =)
> Regards,
> Aline Manera
>
> On 21/08/2015 05:21, Jan Schneider wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I started a Kimchi GUI Prototype with the Pencil tool.
>>
>> First topic I would like to discuss is the base navigation proposal
>> shown below
>> 1) There is a horizontal main navigation area which contains 'Host'
>> and 'Virtualization'. 'Containers' is an example for a future
plugin.
>> 2) There is a vertical sub navigation area. Each item in the sub
>> navigation has an icon and a label (1 or 2 lines).
>>
>> I am very interested in your feedback and would like to come to an
>> agreement on this.
>>
>> I will discuss with Aline if we can store the Kimchi GUI Prototype
>> at a central place. It is packed in a single file PencilGuiPrototype.zip
>> Please extract this file and read ./readme.txt
>> To view the Kimchi GUI Prototype open file ./htmlExport/index.html
>> in your browser and navigate by clicking on navigation tabs/buttons.
>> If you want to edit the Kimchi GUI Prototype you will find further
>> information in ./readme.txt
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alternate design with the same navigation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Kimchi-devel mailing list
>> Kimchi-devel(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/kimchi-devel
>
>
>
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2:32 p.m.
On 08/21/2015 10:39 PM, Aline Manera wrote:
On 21/08/2015 11:36, Walter Niklaus wrote:
>
>
> Am 21.08.2015 um 15:40 schrieb Aline Manera:
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> What is the proposal of that?
>>
>> We've already had a new UI design documentation to cover all the new
>> UI elements and what you are proposing here is very different from
>> what we are doing on new UI.
>>
> The new UI design documentation contains some great usability
> improvements but they are based on the current "master-branch"
> Kimchi/Ginger design where Kimchi and the framework are tightly
> interconnected.
> The existing design document is proposing the following base navigation:
>
>
> What's getting confusing from a usabiltiy point of view are
> especially the main menue points Storage and Networks because they
> are refferring to Virtual-Networks and libvirt-Storage-Pools and in
> the section of Host-Management there are similar menues for
> Host-Network and Host-Storage management. The menue points of Kimchi
> are expanding into the top horizontal section whereas the menue
> points of the Host-Management and Admin area are expanding into a
> vertical selection position.
> The horizontal section is limited in how much content it can display.
> We should also think about additional plugins like Containers and how
> we would have them show up in the UI.
> I guess what I'm pleading here is to take the chance and look at the
> UI-design again considering the changed circumstances and benefit
> from the skill some new community members like Samuel, Jan and others
> are bringing in here.
>
> Thanks, Walter.
Thanks for the clarification, Walter!
My concerns are about Kimchi plans. Related to that, I want to make
clear some points:
1) At this time, the new UI will be develop (and released for 1.6) as
it was designed (Check:
https://github.com/kimchi-project/kimchi/wiki/UI-Design-Proposals)
We've already had a lot of discussion on that and the new UI is
planned for the end of September, ie, less than 2 months from now.
So no new changes fit Kimchi schedule at this moment.
That *does not* mean we can not improve and discussion new ideas.
But it will be implemented only after new UI is released.
2) Wok is a web server framework for plugins. It will provide basic UI
elements and widgets which *can be* reused for the plugins.
How the plugins are designed is only related to the each plugin.
3) The vertical menu is in the new UI documentation for small screens
(responsive web design) so the UI will adjust the elements according
to screen size.
4) I don't see any benefit in grouping content in one tab. Each plugin
can launch as many tabs as it wants. Kimchi decides for 4. =)
Let us take one fine example of showing network/storage details of
host vs virtual machines by means of tab concept. I can not think of
best possible fit with existing tab approach. On the other hand if I
segregate the Host, Virtualization and Containers as an individual
tabs and features of them shown/accessed in different mean (similar to
mock up Jan proposed), I can have luxury of dealing with such
conflicts easily represented from UI and at the same time user
experience is very much simplified across all the tabs.
>> Regards,
>> Aline Manera
>>
>> On 21/08/2015 05:21, Jan Schneider wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I started a Kimchi GUI Prototype with the Pencil tool.
>>>
>>> First topic I would like to discuss is the base navigation proposal
>>> shown below
>>> 1) There is a horizontal main navigation area which contains 'Host'
>>> and 'Virtualization'. 'Containers' is an example for a future
plugin.
>>> 2) There is a vertical sub navigation area. Each item in the sub
>>> navigation has an icon and a label (1 or 2 lines).
>>>
>>> I am very interested in your feedback and would like to come to an
>>> agreement on this.
>>>
>>> I will discuss with Aline if we can store the Kimchi GUI Prototype
>>> at a central place. It is packed in a single file
>>> PencilGuiPrototype.zip
>>> Please extract this file and read ./readme.txt
>>> To view the Kimchi GUI Prototype open file ./htmlExport/index.html
>>> in your browser and navigate by clicking on navigation tabs/buttons.
>>> If you want to edit the Kimchi GUI Prototype you will find further
>>> information in ./readme.txt
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alternate design with the same navigation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Kimchi-devel mailing list
>>> Kimchi-devel(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/kimchi-devel
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Kimchi-devel mailing list
>> Kimchi-devel(a)ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/kimchi-devel
>
>
>
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5:02 p.m.
On 21.08.2015 19:09, Aline Manera wrote:
On 21/08/2015 11:36, Walter Niklaus wrote:
>
>
> Am 21.08.2015 um 15:40 schrieb Aline Manera:
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> What is the proposal of that?
>>
>> We've already had a new UI design documentation to cover all the new
>> UI elements and what you are proposing here is very different from
>> what we are doing on new UI.
>>
> The new UI design documentation contains some great usability
> improvements but they are based on the current "master-branch"
> Kimchi/Ginger design where Kimchi and the framework are tightly
> interconnected.
> The existing design document is proposing the following base navigation:
>
>
> What's getting confusing from a usabiltiy point of view are
> especially the main menue points Storage and Networks because they
> are refferring to Virtual-Networks and libvirt-Storage-Pools and in
> the section of Host-Management there are similar menues for
> Host-Network and Host-Storage management. The menue points of Kimchi
> are expanding into the top horizontal section whereas the menue
> points of the Host-Management and Admin area are expanding into a
> vertical selection position.
> The horizontal section is limited in how much content it can display.
> We should also think about additional plugins like Containers and how
> we would have them show up in the UI.
> I guess what I'm pleading here is to take the chance and look at the
> UI-design again considering the changed circumstances and benefit
> from the skill some new community members like Samuel, Jan and others
> are bringing in here.
>
> Thanks, Walter.
Thanks for the clarification, Walter!
My concerns are about Kimchi plans. Related to that, I want to make
clear some points:
1) At this time, the new UI will be develop (and released for 1.6) as
it was designed (Check:
https://github.com/kimchi-project/kimchi/wiki/UI-Design-Proposals)
We've already had a lot of discussion on that and the new UI is
planned for the end of September, ie, less than 2 months from now.
So no new changes fit Kimchi schedule at this moment.
That *does not* mean we can not improve and discussion new ideas.
But it will be implemented only after new UI is released.
Now I understand that you
are targetting to have the new UI in the
master branch by end of September, begin of October in order to have any
new development for 1.6 based on the new UI. This makes a lot of sense.
I'm glad to hear that we will evaluate the ideas of improving the design
and I hope that with additional folks working in the UI area we would be
able to even integrate some of them initially depending on the effort of
course considering the end of September date.
2) Wok is a web server framework for plugins. It will provide basic UI
elements and widgets which *can be* reused for the plugins.
How the plugins are designed is only related to the each plugin.
I agree from a
very generic and high level point of view to this
statement. But when it comes to plugins which have to coexist together
we have to consider the overall user experience. As an exagerated
example you could think of 2 plugins exposing the same menue point on
the same level but having a complete different scope and semantics.
3) The vertical menu is in the new UI documentation for small screens
(responsive web design) so the UI will adjust the elements according
to screen size.
4) I don't see any benefit in grouping content in one tab. Each plugin
can launch as many tabs as it wants. Kimchi decides for 4. =)
I agree that we
should not limit a plugin to one single tab and on the
other side some plugins may not even have their own tab and simply
plugin to an existing one.
Grouping/separating content covering certain aspects in different tabs
is a proposal on how to overcome the problematic we currently have with
storage and networking being required menue point for host- and for
guest-management but having a different scope in the different context:
Network for host is dealing with host networking aspects whereas
Networks for guests is dealing with the virtual networking aspect.
I experienced some confusion when I started working as a user with
Kimchi/Ginger and I got some feedback from other users on this aspect as
well.
The separation via different tabs is one possible option, looking
forward for other ideas.
>> Regards,
>> Aline Manera
>>
>> On 21/08/2015 05:21, Jan Schneider wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I started a Kimchi GUI Prototype with the Pencil tool.
>>>
>>> First topic I would like to discuss is the base navigation proposal
>>> shown below
>>> 1) There is a horizontal main navigation area which contains 'Host'
>>> and 'Virtualization'. 'Containers' is an example for a future
plugin.
>>> 2) There is a vertical sub navigation area. Each item in the sub
>>> navigation has an icon and a label (1 or 2 lines).
>>>
>>> I am very interested in your feedback and would like to come to an
>>> agreement on this.
>>>
>>> I will discuss with Aline if we can store the Kimchi GUI Prototype
>>> at a central place. It is packed in a single file
>>> PencilGuiPrototype.zip
>>> Please extract this file and read ./readme.txt
>>> To view the Kimchi GUI Prototype open file ./htmlExport/index.html
>>> in your browser and navigate by clicking on navigation tabs/buttons.
>>> If you want to edit the Kimchi GUI Prototype you will find further
>>> information in ./readme.txt
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alternate design with the same navigation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Kimchi-devel mailing list
>>> Kimchi-devel(a)ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/kimchi-devel
>>
>>
>>
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