Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:

...

Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations. Hope it keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.

Fernando

We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal if Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because, currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with object (migrate, maintenance...) that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better than before.

...

On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:

...

The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017

This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used in production.

Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].

This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on top of oVirt 4.1 series.

What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?

*

The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design. It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved user experience.

*

There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.

*

A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.

*

Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software defined networking (SDN).

*

oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.

*

The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common administration tasks.

*

Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.

For more information about these and other features, check out the oVirt 4.2.0 blog post <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>.

This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le architectures for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)

See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.

Notes:

- oVirt Appliance is already available.

- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.

Additional Resources:

* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights: http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>

* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt

* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog: http://www.ovirt.org/blog/

[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>

[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>

[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>

[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>

SANDRO BONAZZOLA

ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D

Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>

<https://red.ht/sig> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>

<http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>

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On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:07:22 AM EDT Nathanaël Blanchet wrote:

Le 31/10/2017 à 15:44, Alexander Wels a écrit :

...

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:14:14 AM EDT FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:

...

Great. Much better Admin Portal than the usual one. Congratulations. Hope it keeps getting improvements as itś very much welcome and needed.

Fernando

We are always working on improvements. Also check out the new user portal if Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because, currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with object (migrate, maintenance...)

Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose. Long answer: No, here are the reasons why: - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100% there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no sense. - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you can do things like copy from the menu. - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface. We traded an extra click for some mouse travel - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only available in the right click menu. Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is certainly possible we will put it back.

...

that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better than before.

...

On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:

...

The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017

This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used in production.

Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].

This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on top of oVirt 4.1 series.

What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?

*

The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design. It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved user experience.

*

There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.

*

A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.

*

Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software defined networking (SDN).

*

oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.

*

The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common administration tasks.

*

Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.

For more information about these and other features, check out the oVirt 4.2.0 blog post <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>.

This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le architectures for:

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later

* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later

* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)

See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.

Notes:

- oVirt Appliance is already available.

- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.

Additional Resources:

* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights: http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>

* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ovirt

* Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog: http://www.ovirt.org/blog/

[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>

[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>

[3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>

[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>

SANDRO BONAZZOLA

ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D

Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>

<https://red.ht/sig> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>

<http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>

_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

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Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss =
it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I=E2=80=99=
m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use =
on Desktop over Mobile!


> From: FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani@upx.com>
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now =
available for testing
> Date: October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
> To: users@ovirt.org
>=20
>=20
> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? =
Because,
>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact =
with
>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>=20
>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>=20
>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its =
not 100%
>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. =
Mobile devices
>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make =
no
>> sense.
> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage =
is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation =
nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their =
large environments. If having both options where you can switch between =
then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. =
We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need =
that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime =
anywhere.
>=20
> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty =
useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend =
or buzz stuff.
> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be =
for quite a while.
>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours =
and you
>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the =
buttons/kebab menu
>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used =
actions as
>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the =
interface.
>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu =
because its
>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was =
only
>> available in the right click menu.
>>=20
>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or =
not. For
>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, =
it is
>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>=20
>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and =
better
>>>> than before.
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the =
First
>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be =
used
>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or =
bugs
>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one =
thousand
>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, =
on
>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>   *
>>>>>>         The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned =
using
>>>>>>      Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application =
design.
>>>>>>      It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an =
improved
>>>>>>      user experience.
>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>         There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>         A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added =
to the
>>>>>>      New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>         Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch =
software
>>>>>>      defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>         oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>         The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
>>>>>>      administration tasks.
>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>         Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check out =
the
>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: =
https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ =
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> [2] =
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt
>>>>>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION =
R&D
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users@ovirt.org
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Users mailing list
>>>> Users@ovirt.org
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
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class=3D"">Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and =
will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, =
but I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for primary work. Please =
prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
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class=3D"">From:</b> FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a =
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class=3D"">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>></font></span><br class=3D"">
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<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><br =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Will the right click dialog be available in =
the final release? Because,<br class=3D"">currently in 4.2 we need to go =
at the up right corner to interact with<br class=3D"">object (migrate, =
maintenance...)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote>Short answer: =
No, we removed it on purpose.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Long answer: =
No, here are the reasons why:<br class=3D"">- We are attempting to get =
the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100%<br class=3D"">there =
yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile =
devices<br class=3D"">don't have a right click, so hiding functionality =
in there would make no<br class=3D"">sense.<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: =
FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Please don't put mobile usage =
over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" =
situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to =
do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both =
options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something =
should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a =
Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility =
and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">So I beg you to consider well before =
remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real =
management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Right click is always on popular =
on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C3C1320D715BCB157520C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for different proposes. Fernando On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:

As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).

We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.

Thanks for the feedback! Oved

On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic@onholyground.com <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:

Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!

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------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani@upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>

On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:

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Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because, currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with object (migrate, maintenance...)

Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.

Long answer: No, here are the reasons why: - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100% there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no sense. Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.

So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff. Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.

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- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you can do things like copy from the menu. - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface. We traded an extra click for some mouse travel - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only available in the right click menu.

Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is certainly possible we will put it back.

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that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better than before.

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On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote: > The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of > the First > Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017 > > > This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to > be used > in production. > > Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask > questions and interact with developers and users.All issues > or bugs > should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2]. > > This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This > release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one > thousand > bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity > fixes, on > top of oVirt 4.1 series. > > > What's new in oVirt 4.2.0? > >   * >         The Administration Portalhas been completely > redesigned using >      Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web > application design. >      It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for > an improved >      user experience. >      * >         There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users. >      * >         A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been > added to the >      New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal. >      * >         Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open > vSwitch software >      defined networking (SDN). >      * >         oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU. >      * >         The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common >      administration tasks. >      * >         Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs. > > For more information about these and other features, check > out the > oVirt 4.2.0 blog post > <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/ > <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>. > > > This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for: > > * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later > > * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later > > > This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le > architectures for: > > * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later > > * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later > > * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only) > > > See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade > instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed. > > > Notes: > > - oVirt Appliance is already available. > > - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon. > > > Additional Resources: > > * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights: > http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ > <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/> > <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ > <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>> > > * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: > https://twitter.com/ovirt > > * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog: > http://www.ovirt.org/blog/ > > > [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ > <https://www.ovirt.org/community/> > <https://www.ovirt.org/community/ > <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>> > > [2] > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt > <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt> > <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt > <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>> > > [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ > <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/> > <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ > <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>> > > [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ > <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/> > <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ > <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>> > > > SANDRO BONAZZOLA > > ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG > VIRTUALIZATION R&D > > Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/> > > <https://red.ht/sig> > TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted> > > <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/ > <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>

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--------------C3C1320D715BCB157520C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <p>Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for different proposes.</p> <p>Fernando<br> </p> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAJ_kCt6q9Q+B-1qVgrUdZwOOeTkuWwLiYUs1bGpeyYoZhpo9HA@mail.gmail.com"> <div dir="auto">As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).  <div dir="auto"><br> <div dir="auto">We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand. </div> <div dir="auto"><br> </div> <div dir="auto">Thanks for the feedback!</div> <div dir="auto">Oved </div> </div> </div> <div class="gmail_extra"><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">budic@onholyground.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile! <div><br> </div> <div><br> <div> <blockquote type="cite"> <hr style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:0 0 0 0;margin:10px 0 5px 0"><span id="m_-768768173616435518RwhHeaderAttributes"><font style="font:13.0px Helvetica;color:#000000" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="4"><b>From:</b> FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>></font></span><br> <span><font style="font:13.0px Helvetica;color:#000000" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="4"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing</font></span><br> <span><font style="font:13.0px Helvetica;color:#000000" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="4"><b>Date:</b> October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT</font></span><br> <span><font style="font:13.0px Helvetica;color:#000000" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="4"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">users@ovirt.org</a></font></span><br> <br class="m_-768768173616435518Apple-interchange-newline"> <div><br style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <span style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:</span><br style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because,<br> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with<br> object (migrate, maintenance...)<br> <br> </blockquote> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br> <br> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100%<br> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices<br> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no<br> sense.<br> </blockquote> <span style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.</span><br style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <br style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <span style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff.</span><br style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <span style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you<br> can do things like copy from the menu.<br> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as<br> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface.<br> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel<br> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its<br> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only<br> available in the right click menu.<br> <br> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For<br> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is<br> certainly possible we will put it back.<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better<br> than before.<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite">On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite">The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the First<br> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017<br> <br> <br> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be used<br> in production.<br> <br> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask<br> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or bugs<br> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].<br> <br> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This<br> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand<br> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on<br> top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br> <br> <br> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br> <br>   *<br>         The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using<br>      Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application design.<br>      It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an improved<br>      user experience.<br>      *<br>         There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.<br>      *<br>         A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the<br>      New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.<br>      *<br>         Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software<br>      defined networking (SDN).<br>      *<br>         oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.<br>      *<br>         The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common<br>      administration tasks.<br>      *<br>         Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br> <br> For more information about these and other features, check out the<br> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br> <<a href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/<wbr>09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/</a>>.<br> <br> <br> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:<br> <br> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br> <br> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br> <br> <br> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le<br> architectures for:<br> <br> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br> <br> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br> <br> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)<br> <br> <br> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade<br> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.<br> <br> <br> Notes:<br> <br> - oVirt Appliance is already available.<br> <br> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.<br> <br> <br> Additional Resources:<br> <br> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:<br> <a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a><br> <<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a>><br> <br> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ovirt" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/ovirt</a><br> <br> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:<br> <a href="http://www.ovirt.org/blog/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/blog/</a><br> <br> <br> [1] <a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>community/</a> <<a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>community/</a>><br> <br> [2] <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/<wbr>enter_bug.cgi?classification=<wbr>oVirt</a><br> <<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/<wbr>enter_bug.cgi?classification=<wbr>oVirt</a>><br> <br> [3] <a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a><br> <<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a>><br> <br> [4] <a href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://resources.ovirt.org/<wbr>pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a><br> <<a href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://resources.ovirt.org/<wbr>pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a>><br> <br> <br> SANDRO BONAZZOLA<br> <br> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D<br> <br> Red Hat EMEA <<a href="https://www.redhat.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.redhat.com/</a>><br> <br> <<a href="https://red.ht/sig" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://red.ht/sig</a>><br> TRIED. 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> This is UXD guideline around web applications.
>=20
> Some will like it more, and some won't understand why they don't see =
the browser menu they expect when they right click.=20
>=20
> There is no "one size fits all here", but that's the guideline we =
followed.=20

That=E2=80=99s very true. I haven=E2=80=99t read the paternfly =
guidelines, but is there an option for a modifier click? Or I might =
suggest that the machine icon could be overloaded with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=
=80=9D right click menu on click for that little bit of extra =
functionality?







> On Oct 31, 2017 8:01 PM, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" =
<fernando.frediani@upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> wrote:
> Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for =
different proposes.
>=20
> Fernando
>=20
> On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. =
You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't =
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline =
(patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).=20=

>>=20
>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high =
demand.=20
>>=20
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Oved=20
>>=20
>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic@onholyground.com =
<mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will =
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but =
I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize =
ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
>>=20
>>=20
>>> From: FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani@upx.com =
<mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is =
now available for testing
>>> Date: October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>>> To: users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? =
Because,
>>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact =
with
>>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>>>=20
>>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>>>=20
>>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while =
its not 100%
>>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. =
Mobile devices
>>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would =
make no
>>>> sense.
>>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage =
is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation =
nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their =
large environments. If having both options where you can switch between =
then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. =
We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need =
that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime =
anywhere.
>>>=20
>>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty =
useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend =
or buzz stuff.
>>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be =
for quite a while.
>>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours =
and you
>>>> can do things like copy from the menu.
>>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the =
buttons/kebab menu
>>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used =
actions as
>>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the =
interface.
>>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu =
because its
>>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was =
only
>>>> available in the right click menu.
>>>>=20
>>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or =
not. For
>>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it =
back, it is
>>>> certainly possible we will put it back.
>>>>=20
>>>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and =
better
>>>>>> than before.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of =
the First
>>>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be =
used
>>>>>>>> in production.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>>>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or =
bugs
>>>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. =
This
>>>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one =
thousand
>>>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity =
fixes, on
>>>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>   *
>>>>>>>>         The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned =
using
>>>>>>>>      Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application =
design.
>>>>>>>>      It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an =
improved
>>>>>>>>      user experience.
>>>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>>>         There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>>>         A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been =
added to the
>>>>>>>>      New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>>>         Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch =
software
>>>>>>>>      defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>>>         oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>>>         The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
>>>>>>>>      administration tasks.
>>>>>>>>      *
>>>>>>>>         Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check out =
the
>>>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/ =
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ =
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ =
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: =
https://twitter.com/ovirt <https://twitter.com/ovirt>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/ <http://www.ovirt.org/blog/>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ =
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/ =
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> [2] =
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt =
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt>
>>>>>>>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt=
 <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt>>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ =
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ =
<http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ =
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ =
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG =
VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/ =
<https://www.redhat.com/>>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig <https://red.ht/sig>>
>>>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted =
<https://redhat.com/trusted>>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/ =
<http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>>
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =
<http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =
<http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>>=20
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Users mailing list
>>>> Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =
<http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Users mailing list
>>> Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =
<http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =
<http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
>>=20
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class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">This is UXD guideline around web =
applications.<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto"=
 class=3D"">Some will like it more, and some won't understand why they =
don't see the browser menu they expect when they right =
click. </div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">There is no "one size fits all here", but that's =
the guideline we =
followed. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div>That=E2=80=99s very true. I haven=E2=80=99t read the =
paternfly guidelines, but is there an option for a modifier click? Or I =
might suggest that the machine icon could be overloaded with the =
=E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D right click menu on click for that little bit of =
extra functionality?<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2017 8:01 =
PM, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <<a href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" =
class=3D"">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>> wrote:<br =
type=3D"attribution" class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><p =
class=3D"">Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of =
them
      for different proposes.</p><p class=3D"">Fernando<br class=3D"">
    </p>
    <br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"m_-2380968059041718298moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/2017 =
15:57, Oved Ourfali
      wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
      <div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">As mentioned earlier, this is one =
motivation but
        not the only one. You see right click less and less in web
        applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience.
        This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework
        we heavily use throughout the application). 
        <div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          <div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">We will however consider bringing =
this back if
            there will be high demand. </div>
          <div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
          <div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Thanks for the feedback!</div>
          <div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Oved </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell
          Budic" <<a href=3D"mailto:budic@onholyground.com" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">budic@onholyground.com</a>>
          wrote:<br type=3D"attribution" class=3D"">
          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" =
class=3D"">Agreed.
              I use the right click functionality all the time and will
              miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile
              interface, but I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for =
primary work.
              Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
              <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
              </div>
              <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
                <div class=3D"">
                  <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
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class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b>
                        FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>></font></span><br class=3D"">
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face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re:
                        [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
                        Release is now available for =
testing</font></span><br class=3D"">
                    <span class=3D""><font style=3D"font-style: normal; =
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face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Date:</b> October
                        31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT</font></span><br =
class=3D"">
                    <span class=3D""><font style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; =
font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">users@ovirt.org</a></font></span><br class=3D"">
                    <br =
class=3D"m_-2380968059041718298m_-768768173616435518Apple-interchange-newl=
ine">
                    <div class=3D""><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
                      <span =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">On
                        31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels =
wrote:</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
                      <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
                        <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
                          Will the right click dialog be available in
                          the final release? Because,<br class=3D"">
                          currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right
                          corner to interact with<br class=3D"">
                          object (migrate, maintenance...)<br class=3D"">
                          <br class=3D"">
                        </blockquote>
                        Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br =
class=3D"">
                        <br class=3D"">
                        Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br =
class=3D"">
                        - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile
                        friendly, and while its not 100%<br class=3D"">
                        there yet, it is actually quite useable on a
                        mobile device now. Mobile devices<br class=3D"">
                        don't have a right click, so hiding
                        functionality in there would make no<br =
class=3D"">
                        sense.<br class=3D"">
                      </blockquote>
                      <span =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">Please
                        don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While
                        mobile usage is nice to have in "certain"
                        situations. In real day by day operation nobody
                        uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
                        manage their large environments. If having both
                        options where you can switch between then is
                        nice, but if something should prevail should
                        always be Desktop. We are not talking about a
                        Stock Trading interface or something you need
                        that level or flexibility and mobility to do
                        static things anytime anywhere.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
                      <br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
                      <span =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">So
                        I beg you to consider well before remove things
                        which are pretty useful for a day by day and
                        real management usage because of a new trend or
                        buzz stuff.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
                      <span =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">Right
                        click is always on popular on Desktop
                        enviroments and will be for quite a =
while.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">
                      <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;te=
xt-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px" class=3D"">-
                        You can now right click and get the browsers
                        menu instead of ours and you<br class=3D"">
                        can do things like copy from the menu.<br =
class=3D"">
                        - We replicated all the functionality from the
                        menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br class=3D"">
                        available on the right. Our goal was to have all
                        the commonly used actions as<br class=3D"">
                        a button, and less often used actions in the
                        kebab to declutter the interface.<br class=3D"">
                        We traded an extra click for some mouse =
travel<br class=3D"">
                        - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a
                        right click menu because its<br class=3D"">
                        a web interface, and they couldn't find some
                        functionality that was only<br class=3D"">
                        available in the right click menu.<br class=3D"">
                        <br class=3D"">
                        Now that being said, we are still debating if it
                        was a good move or not. For<br class=3D"">
                        now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of
                        people want it back, it is<br class=3D"">
                        certainly possible we will put it back.<br =
class=3D"">
                        <br class=3D"">
                        <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
                          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">that is =
something you
                            are interested in. Its also much faster and
                            better<br class=3D"">
                            than before.<br class=3D"">
                            <br class=3D"">
                            <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On =
31/10/2017 10:13,
                              Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br class=3D"">
                              <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">The =
oVirt Project
                                is pleased to announce the availability
                                of the First<br class=3D"">
                                Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of
                                October 31st, 2017<br class=3D"">
                                <br class=3D"">
                                <br class=3D"">
                                This is pre-release software. This
                                pre-release should not to be used<br =
class=3D"">
                                in production.<br class=3D"">
                                <br class=3D"">
                                Please take a look at our community
                                page[1] to learn how to ask<br class=3D"">=

                                questions and interact with developers
                                and users.All issues or bugs<br =
class=3D"">
                                should be reported via oVirt
                                Bugzilla[2].<br class=3D"">
                                <br class=3D"">
                                This update is the first beta release of
                                the 4.2.0 version. This<br class=3D"">
                                release brings more than 230
                                enhancements and more than one =
thousand<br class=3D"">
                                bug fixes, including more than 380 high
                                or urgent severity fixes, on<br =
class=3D"">
                                top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br class=3D"">
                                <br class=3D"">
                                <br class=3D"">
                                What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br class=3D"">
                                <br class=3D"">
                                  *<br class=3D"">
                                =
        The Administration =
Portalhas
                                been completely redesigned using<br =
class=3D"">
                                =
     Patternfly, a widely adopted
                                standard in web application design.<br =
class=3D"">
                                     It now =
features a cleaner, more
                                intuitive design, for an improved<br =
class=3D"">
                                     user =
experience.<br class=3D"">
                                     *<br =
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                                =
        There is an all-new VM =
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                                non-admin users.<br class=3D"">
                                     *<br =
class=3D"">
                                =
        A new High Performance =
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                                     *<br =
class=3D"">
                                =
        Open Virtual Network =
(OVN)adds
                                support for Open vSwitch software<br =
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                                     defined =
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                                     *<br =
class=3D"">
                                =
        oVirt now supports =
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                                     *<br =
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                                =
        The =
ovirt-ansible-rolespackage
                                helps users with common<br class=3D"">
                                =
     administration tasks.<br class=3D"">
                                     *<br =
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                                =
        Virt-v2vnow supports
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                                <br class=3D"">
                                For more information about these and
                                other features, check out the<br =
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                                oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br class=3D"">
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On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:

As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).

Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses. I'd argue that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal. Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list. -- Robert Story <http://www.isi.edu/~rstory> USC Information Sciences Institute <http://www.isi.edu/>

Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now = available for testing Date: November 1, 2017 at 11:21:52 AM CDT To: Robert Story Cc: FERNANDO FREDIANI; users =20 =20 I'd argue that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal. =20 What are people's opinions on an "actions" button on the far right of =

--Apple-Mail=_54F19E89-C4A5-4944-8B05-017271A221DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Greg Sheremeta <gshereme@redhat.com> the tables?

See #6 here: = http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/content-views/table-view/#/desig= n = <http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/content-views/table-view/#/desi= gn> =20 Would that be an adequate substitute for right-clicking?

Mostly, but I=E2=80=99d prefer the options to be available on the left = by the name of the VM, as that=E2=80=99s what I=E2=80=99m likely sorting = on and where I=E2=80=99m going to find it easier to be sure I=E2=80=99ve = got the right one when I select an action on a row that might not be = highlighted yet. --Apple-Mail=_54F19E89-C4A5-4944-8B05-017271A221DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><b = style=3D"font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">From:</b><span style=3D"font-size: = 13px;" class=3D""> Greg Sheremeta <<a = href=3D"mailto:gshereme@redhat.com" = class=3D"">gshereme@redhat.com</a>></span><br = class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""> <span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 13.0px = Helvetica; color: #000000" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: = [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for = testing</font></span><br class=3D""> <span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 13.0px = Helvetica; color: #000000" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Date:</b> November = 1, 2017 at 11:21:52 AM CDT</font></span><br class=3D""> <span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 13.0px = Helvetica; color: #000000" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> Robert = Story</font></span><br class=3D""> <span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 13.0px = Helvetica; color: #000000" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b> FERNANDO = FREDIANI; users</font></span><br class=3D""> <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid = rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I'd argue<br class=3D""> that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more<br = class=3D""> technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.<br = class=3D""></blockquote><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">What are people's opinions on an "actions" button on the far = right of the tables?</div><div class=3D"">See #6 here:</div><div = class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/content-views/table-view= /#/design" = class=3D"">http://www.patternfly.org/pattern-library/content-views/table-v= iew/#/design</a><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Would that be an adequate substitute = for right-clicking?</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"">Mostly, but I=E2=80=99d prefer the options to = be available on the left by the name of the VM, as that=E2=80=99s what = I=E2=80=99m likely sorting on and where I=E2=80=99m going to find it = easier to be sure I=E2=80=99ve got the right one when I select an action = on a row that might not be highlighted yet.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_54F19E89-C4A5-4944-8B05-017271A221DF--

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Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and that is not the case.

Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be considered masses in that sense.

Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse ;-)

In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-) Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it comfortable to have. I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are just on top and not far away from the email list). Y.

Fernando

On 01/11/2017 13:25, Robert Story wrote:

...

On Tue 2017-10-31 19:57:32+0200 Oved wrote:

...

As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).

Their user guideline is probably based on UI for the masses. I'd argue that oVirt, particularly the admin portal, is for a much more technical audience. I think right-click should stay for admin portal.

Users are more likely to be less technical. I'd care much less if everything in the user portal had its own button or was in a menu list.

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------920C89EE494C3BE6476493E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well. Keep up the good work. Fernando On 07/11/2017 16:45, Greg Sheremeta wrote:

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com <mailto:ykaul@redhat.com>> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani@upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> wrote:

Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and that is not the case.

Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be considered masses in that sense.

Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse ;-)

In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)

Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it comfortable to have. I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are just on top and not far away from the email list). Y.

Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!

After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team, we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be merged in the next week.

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Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and that is not the case.<br> <br> Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be considered masses in that sense.<br> <br> Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse ;-)</blockquote> <div><br> </div> </span> <div>In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it comfortable to have. </div> <div>I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are just on top and not far away from the email list).</div> <span class="m_1210175037987748530gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <div>Y.</div> </font></span></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!</div> <div><br> </div> <div>After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team, we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be merged in the next week.</div> <div><br> </div> <div><img src="cid:part3.B7330127.56F01EDA@upx.com" alt="Inline image 1" style="margin-right:0px" class="" height="183" width="258"><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Best wishes,</div> <div>Greg</div> <div><br> </div> </div> -- <br> <div class="m_1210175037987748530gmail_signature"> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:overpass,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-size:14px;text-transform:uppercase"><span>GREG</span> <span>SHEREMETA</span></p> <p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:overpass,sans-serif;font-size:10px;margin:0px 0px 4px;text-transform:uppercase"><span>SENIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER - TEAM LEAD - RHV UX</span><span style="color:rgb(170,170,170);margin:0px"></span></p> <p style="font-family:overpass,sans-serif;margin:0px;font-size:10px;color:rgb(153,153,153)"><a 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The patch [1] is merged (thanks Alexander), and thus the next 4.2 build will have the menu. Best wishes, Greg [1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/83729/ On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:07 AM, Oved Ourfali <oourfali@redhat.com> wrote:

Thanks for the feedback!

Note that the right click added will contain the buttons that are at the upper panel, as those are expected to be the ones used mostly. It will only contain single buttons (not menus), as currently there is no representation of sub menus on right click in bootstrap. It will not contain the buttons that appear when you press the three dots. If one of these buttons is widely used, it should move to the action panel (requires code change), and then it will also be automatically added to the context menu (no code change needed).

Cheers, Oved

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:32 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI < fernando.frediani@upx.com> wrote:

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Fantastic Greg and thanks for the feedback about this as well.

Keep up the good work.

Fernando

On 07/11/2017 16:45, Greg Sheremeta wrote:

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, FERNANDO FREDIANI < fernando.frediani@upx.com> wrote:

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Agreed. Otherwise it would apply 'one size fits all' as mentioned and that is not the case.

Applying guidelines is something very good to do, by removing stuff that may only be 'recent trend' or 'buzz stuff' considering the audience that will use it is even better practice. I don't think oVirt Admins can be considered masses in that sense.

Has anyone seen a NOC or Operating Center using Tablets or Mobile Phones to manage their infrastructure ? No, they use Desktops/Laptops and a Mouse ;-)

In all the cool television show they have a tablet ;-)

Seriously though, today more and more laptops have a touch-sensitive screen. And a long press is equal to right click and I do find it comfortable to have. I didn't know GMail had a right click-menu, but since I've learned about it, I've been using it and finding it handy (even though the buttons are just on top and not far away from the email list). Y.

Everyone: thanks for the feedback so far!

After some team discussion and consultation with the PatternFly team, we're going to re-add a right-click menu for the grids. A patch should be merged in the next week.

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I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks. I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more stable, clean and useful. The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those futures are the secondary tasks for me. For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices they can use mOvirt app. I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main advertised futures to make them stable. as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger: - please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution - one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in the first point, not the right click one:). - hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman. - strong solution with a multirail HA storage - move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up - scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api - reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6) Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there half-solved problems. Greetings from Potsdam, Arman. PS an Ovirt user since 3.x 8hosts >50Vms 4hosts > 6VMS 10G,IB,RDMA. looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand. On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.slezka@slu.cz> wrote:

On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:

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As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).

We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.

I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI. This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.

Cheers, Jiri

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Thanks for the feedback! Oved

On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic@onholyground.com <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:

Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!

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On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:

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Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because, currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with object (migrate, maintenance...)

Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.

Long answer: No, here are the reasons why: - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100% there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no sense. Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.

So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff. Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.

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- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you can do things like copy from the menu. - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface. We traded an extra click for some mouse travel - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only available in the right click menu.

Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is certainly possible we will put it back.

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that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and better than before.

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On Nov 3, 2017 13:48, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <fernando.frediani@upx.com> wrote: +1 for complete diskless hosts -1 for mobile usability over desktop :-) That was mentioned as one motivation, but as I've explained earlier it is definitely not the main one. Regards, Oved Regards Fernando On 02/11/2017 20:46, Arman Khalatyan wrote:

I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.

I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more stable, clean and useful. The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those futures are the secondary tasks for me. For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices they can use mOvirt app. I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main advertised futures to make them stable. as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger: - please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution - one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in the first point, not the right click one:). - hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman. - strong solution with a multirail HA storage - move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up - scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api - reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6) Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there half-solved problems.

Greetings from Potsdam, Arman.

PS an Ovirt user since 3.x 8hosts >50Vms 4hosts > 6VMS 10G,IB,RDMA. looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.slezka@slu.cz> wrote:

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On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:

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As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).

We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.

I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI. This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.

Cheers, Jiri

Thanks for the feedback!

...

Oved

On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic@onholyground.com <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:

Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!

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------------- *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani@upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>

On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:

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Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?

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Because, currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with object (migrate, maintenance...)

Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.

Long answer: No, here are the reasons why: - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100% there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no sense.

Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.

So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff. Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.

...

- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you can do things like copy from the menu. - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface. We traded an extra click for some mouse travel - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only available in the right click menu.

Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is certainly possible we will put it back.

that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster

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> and better > than before. > > On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote: >> >>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of >>> the First >>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017 >>> >>> >>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to >>> be used >>> in production. >>> >>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to >>> ask >>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues >>> or bugs >>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2]. >>> >>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. >>> This >>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one >>> thousand >>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity >>> fixes, on >>> top of oVirt 4.1 series. >>> >>> >>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0? >>> >>> * >>> The Administration Portalhas been completely >>> redesigned using >>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application >>> design. >>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an >>> improved >>> user experience. >>> * >>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users. >>> * >>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been >>> added to the >>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal. >>> * >>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open >>> vSwitch software >>> defined networking (SDN). >>> * >>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU. >>> * >>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common >>> administration tasks. >>> * >>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs. >>> >>> For more information about these and other features, check >>> out the >>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post >>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/ >>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>. >>> >>> >>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for: >>> >>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later >>> >>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later >>> >>> >>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le >>> architectures for: >>> >>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later >>> >>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later >>> >>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only) >>> >>> >>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade >>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed. >>> >>> >>> Notes: >>> >>> - oVirt Appliance is already available. >>> >>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon. >>> >>> >>> Additional Resources: >>> >>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights: >>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ >>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/> >>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ >>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>> >>> >>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: >>> https://twitter.com/ovirt >>> >>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog: >>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/ >>> >>> >>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ >>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/> >>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/ >>> <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>> >>> >>> [2] >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oV >>> irt <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oV >>> irt> >>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=o >>> Virt >>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=o >>> Virt>> >>> >>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ >>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/> >>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ >>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>> >>> >>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ >>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/> >>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ >>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>> >>> >>> >>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA >>> >>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG >>> VIRTUALIZATION R&D >>> >>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/> >>> >>> <https://red.ht/sig> >>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted> >>> >>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/ >>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Users mailing list >>> Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org> >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users> >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users> > _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>

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On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Arman Khalatyan <arm2arm@gmail.com> wrote:

I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.

I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more stable, clean and useful. The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those futures are the secondary tasks for me. For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices they can use mOvirt app. I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main advertised futures to make them stable. as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger: - please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution - one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in the first point, not the right click one:).

This is a bit more complex than you assume.

- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.

This makes no sense whatsoever. We'd like to integrate with best of breed projects, not replace them.

- strong solution with a multirail HA storage

I'm not familiar with the term - can you expand on this?

- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up

Boot from SAN for example?

- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api

Again, I assume a separate utility can probably do a better job.

- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)

Metrics are in the works with Elastic and Kibana. DWH is still there.

Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there half-solved problems.

Patches are welcome, of course. Y.

Greetings from Potsdam, Arman.

PS an Ovirt user since 3.x 8hosts >50Vms 4hosts > 6VMS 10G,IB,RDMA. looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.slezka@slu.cz> wrote:

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As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).

We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.

I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI. This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.

Cheers, Jiri

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Thanks for the feedback! Oved

On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic@onholyground.com <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:

Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!

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*From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani@upx.com <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>

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Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? Because, currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact with object (migrate, maintenance...)

Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.

Long answer: No, here are the reasons why: - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100% there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile devices don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make no sense. Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.

So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff. Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.

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- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you can do things like copy from the menu. - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used actions as a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the interface. We traded an extra click for some mouse travel - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu because its a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was only available in the right click menu.

Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or not. For now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, it is certainly possible we will put it back.

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2017-11-03 0:31 GMT+01:00 Nehemiah Dacres <vivacarlie@gmail.com>:

Have you stopped supporting Fedora for new releases? I dont' see it in the list and the most recent fedora in the mirror list on the previous release was 24.

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