3:26 p.m.
I'm reading through all of the documentation at https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and
am a bit overwhelmed with all of the different options for installing oVirt.
My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to manage VMs on multiple
physical servers from 1 interface, and be able to deploy new VMs (or delete VMs) as
necessary. Ideally, it would be great if I could move a VM from 1 host to a different host
as well, particularly in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad HDD, bad processor,
etc...)
I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between an oVirt Node and the oVirt
Engine, and how the engine differs from the Manager.
I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I further think I understand the
Engine to be essentially synonymous with a vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
If so, then what's the difference between the `self-hosted` vs the `stand-alone`
engines?
oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM and 2CPUs.
oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is that how much RAM that each oVirt
node process requires? In other words, if I have a physical host with 12GB of physical
RAM, will I only be able to allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of that should I
dedicated to the oVirt node processes?
Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing oVirt Node? And then connect
that same node to the Engine, once the Engine is installed?
Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like oVirt Engine and oVirt Node require
different versions of RHEL or CentOS.
I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or CentOS) 8.2, whereas each Node
requires 7.x (although I'll plan to just use the oVirt Node ISO).
I'm also wondering about storage.
I don't really like the idea of using local storage, but a single NFS server would
also be a single point of failure, and Gluster would be too expensive to deploy, so at
this point, I'm leaning towards using local storage.
Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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4:30 p.m.
На 21 юни 2020 г. 23:26:32 GMT+03:00, David White via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
написа:
I'm reading through all of the documentation at
https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit overwhelmed with all of
the different options for installing oVirt.
My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to manage VMs on
multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and be able to deploy new
VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it would be great if I could
move a VM from 1 host to a different host as well, particularly in the
event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad HDD, bad processor, etc...)
I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between an oVirt Node
and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine differs from the Manager.
I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I further
think I understand the Engine to be essentially synonymous with a
vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
Generally speaking they are
interchangeable, but usually the engine is the deamon that is running inside the manager.
Correct, just like in VMware - you can have your Vcenter in a VM on the esxi or you
can host it on a separate physical server.
If so, then what's the difference between the `self-hosted` vs
the
`stand-alone` engines?
Self hosted -> the manager is managing the host that is
hosting it , while standalone is on a non-managed location - like standalone KVM VM,
VMware VM or physical server.
oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM and 2CPUs.
oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is that how much
RAM that each oVirt node process requires? In other words, if I have a
physical host with 12GB of physical RAM, will I only be able to
allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of that should I dedicated
to the oVirt node processes?
oVirt Node -> a kind of ready to go appliance that has only 1 purpose - Hosting
VMs. It has an advantage that you can easily rollback updates. Drawback - hard to
customize (for example custom drivers).
It will be nice to have as much memory as possible, but depends on the ammount and
type of VMs you plan to host on it.
Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing oVirt Node?
And then connect that same node to the Engine, once the Engine is
installed?
That's what the Hosted-Engine deployment is doing for you. The
easiest way is to use the cockpit method.
Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like oVirt Engine
and
oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL or CentOS.
I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or CentOS) 8.2,
whereas each Node requires 7.x (although I'll plan to just use the
oVirt Node ISO).
oVirt 4.3 (node, engine) are based on CentOS/EL 7.X
oVirt 4.4 (node, engine) are based on CentOS/EL 8.
oVirt 4.4 still needs some polishing, but keep in mind that migration from 4.3 to 4.4
requires redeploy (real reinstall).
I'm also wondering about storage.
I don't really like the idea of using local storage, but a single NFS
server would also be a single point of failure, and Gluster would be
too expensive to deploy, so at this point, I'm leaning towards using
local storage.
It's up to you.
>Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>David
>
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4:58 p.m.
While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a single user
interface, but with what you listed,
you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using virt-manager
for the interface.
Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are really tiny and I wouldn't
recommend even trying ovirt on such challenged systems.
I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster hyperconverged system, and a
spare available that can take over if one of the hosts dies.
I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM configured though
I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host. CentOS7
was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are now 128GB
24core or more.
ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an oVirt hypervisor/gluster
host, with its cockpit interface you can create and install the
hosted-engine VM for the user and admin web interface. Its very good on
enterprise server hardware with lots of RAM,CPU, and DISKS.
On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
wrote:
I'm reading through all of the documentation at
https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit overwhelmed with all of
the different options for installing oVirt.
My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to manage VMs on
multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and be able to deploy new VMs
(or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it would be great if I could move a
VM from 1 host to a different host as well, particularly in the event that
1 host becomes degraded (bad HDD, bad processor, etc...)
I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between an oVirt Node and
the oVirt Engine, and how the engine differs from the Manager.
I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I further think I
understand the Engine to be essentially synonymous with a vCenter VM for
ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
If so, then what's the difference between the `self-hosted` vs the
`stand-alone` engines?
oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM and 2CPUs.
oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is that how much RAM
that each oVirt node process requires? In other words, if I have a physical
host with 12GB of physical RAM, will I only be able to allocate 10GB of
that to guest VMs? How much of that should I dedicated to the oVirt node
processes?
Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing oVirt Node? And
then connect that same node to the Engine, once the Engine is installed?
Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like oVirt Engine and
oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL or CentOS.
I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or CentOS) 8.2,
whereas each Node requires 7.x (although I'll plan to just use the oVirt
Node ISO).
I'm also wondering about storage.
I don't really like the idea of using local storage, but a single NFS
server would also be a single point of failure, and Gluster would be too
expensive to deploy, so at this point, I'm leaning towards using local
storage.
Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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3:06 a.m.
Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
They were both very helpful.
I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM configured
though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host. CentOS7 was OK with 1,
CentOS6 maybe 512K.
The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit, I'm trying to figure out how much RAM I
would need to reserve for the host OS (or oVirt Node).
I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum of 2GB, so perhaps that would suffice?
And then as you noted, I would need to plan to give the engine 16GB.
My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are now
128GB 24core or more.
But this is the total amount of physical RAM in your systems, correct? Not the amount that
you've reserved for your host OS?I've spec'd out some hardware, and am
probably looking at purchasing two PowerEdge R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and
32 cores.
While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a single
user interface, but with what you listed,
you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using virt-manager for the
interface.
Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with virt-manager, and can you take snapshots?
If those two features aren't supported by virt-manager, then that would almost
certainly be a deal breaker.
Come to think of it, if I decided to use local storage on each of the physical hosts,
would I be able to migrate VMs?
Or do I *have* to use a Gluster or NFS store for that?
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger <edwberger(a)gmail.com> wrote:
While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a single
user interface, but with what you listed,
you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using virt-manager for the
interface.
>
Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are really tiny and I
wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on such challenged systems.
I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster hyperconverged system, and a spare
available that can take over if one of the hosts dies.
I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM configured
though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host. CentOS7 was OK with 1,
CentOS6 maybe 512K.
The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
>
My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are now
128GB 24core or more.
>
ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an oVirt
hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit interface you can create and install the
hosted-engine VM for the user and admin web interface. Its very good on enterprise server
hardware with lots of RAM,CPU, and DISKS.
On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via Users
<users(a)ovirt.org> wrote:
> I'm reading through all of the documentation at
https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit overwhelmed with all of the different
options for installing oVirt.
>
> My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to
manage VMs on multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and be able to deploy new VMs
(or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it would be great if I could move a VM from 1 host
to a different host as well, particularly in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad
HDD, bad processor, etc...)
>
> I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between an
oVirt Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine differs from the Manager.
>
> I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I
further think I understand the Engine to be essentially synonymous with a vCenter VM for
ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
>
> If so, then what's the difference between the `self-hosted`
vs the `stand-alone` engines?
>
> oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM and
2CPUs.
> oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
> Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is that how much RAM that each
oVirt node process requires? In other words, if I have a physical host with 12GB of
physical RAM, will I only be able to allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of that
should I dedicated to the oVirt node processes?
>
> Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing oVirt
Node? And then connect that same node to the Engine, once the Engine is installed?
>
> Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like oVirt
Engine and oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL or CentOS.
> I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or CentOS) 8.2, whereas each
Node requires 7.x (although I'll plan to just use the oVirt Node ISO).
>
> I'm also wondering about storage.
> I don't really like the idea of using local storage, but a single NFS server
would also be a single point of failure, and Gluster would be too expensive to deploy, so
at this point, I'm leaning towards using local storage.
>
> Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
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>
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5:31 a.m.
На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
написа:
Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
They were both very helpful.
> I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM configured
though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host.
CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit, I'm trying to figure out
how much RAM I would need to reserve for the host OS (or oVirt Node).
I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum of 2GB, so perhaps
that would suffice?
And then as you noted, I would need to plan to give the engine 16GB.
I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more than 20 VMs, the larger the setup -
the more ram for the engine is needed.
> My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are
now
128GB 24core or more.
But this is the total amount of physical RAM in your systems, correct?
Not the amount that you've reserved for your host OS?I've spec'd out
some hardware, and am probably looking at purchasing two PowerEdge
R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32 cores.
> While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a single
user interface, but with what you listed,
> you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using
virt-manager for the interface.
Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with virt-manager, and can
you take snapshots?
If those two features aren't supported by virt-manager, then that would
almost certainly be a deal breaker.
The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that option a long time ago, yet
it's some manual work to do it.
Come to think of it, if I decided to use local storage on each of the
physical hosts, would I be able to migrate VMs?
Or do I *have* to use a Gluster or NFS store for that?
For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN, Gluster, CEPH, NFS,
iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a little bit experimental).
>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger <edwberger(a)gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a single
>user interface, but with what you listed,
>> you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using
>virt-manager for the interface.
>>
>
>> Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are really tiny and I
>wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on such challenged systems.
>> I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster hyperconverged system,
>and a spare available that can take over if one of the hosts dies.
>>
>
>> I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM configured
>though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
>> For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host.
>CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
>> The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
>>
>
>> My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are now
>128GB 24core or more.
>>
>
>> ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an oVirt
>hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit interface you can create and
>install the hosted-engine VM for the user and admin web interface. Its
>very good on enterprise server hardware with lots of RAM,CPU, and
>DISKS.
>>
>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via Users
><users(a)ovirt.org> wrote:
>>
>
>> > I'm reading through all of the documentation at
>https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit overwhelmed with all of
>the different options for installing oVirt.
>> >
>
>> > My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to manage VMs
>on multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and be able to deploy
>new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it would be great if I
>could move a VM from 1 host to a different host as well, particularly
>in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad HDD, bad processor,
>etc...)
>> >
>
>> > I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between an oVirt
>Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine differs from the Manager.
>> >
>
>> > I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I further
>think I understand the Engine to be essentially synonymous with a
>vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
>> >
>
>> > If so, then what's the difference between the `self-hosted` vs the
>`stand-alone` engines?
>> >
>
>> > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM and
>2CPUs.
>> > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
>> > Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is that how
>much RAM that each oVirt node process requires? In other words, if I
>have a physical host with 12GB of physical RAM, will I only be able to
>allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of that should I dedicated
>to the oVirt node processes?
>> >
>
>> > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing oVirt
>Node? And then connect that same node to the Engine, once the Engine is
>installed?
>> >
>
>> > Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like oVirt Engine
>and oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL or CentOS.
>> > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or CentOS)
>8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x (although I'll plan to just use the
>oVirt Node ISO).
>> >
>
>> > I'm also wondering about storage.
>> > I don't really like the idea of using local storage, but a single
>NFS server would also be a single point of failure, and Gluster would
>be too expensive to deploy, so at this point, I'm leaning towards using
>local storage.
>> >
>
>> > Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>
>> > Thanks,
>> > David
>> >
>
>> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>> >
>
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10:50 a.m.
For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN, Gluster,
CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a little bit experimental).
Sounds like I'll be using NFS or Gluster after all.
Thank you.
The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that option a
long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
Yeah, this environment that
I'm building is expected to grow over time (although that growth could go slowly), so
I'm trying to architect things properly now to make future growth easier to deal with.
I'm also trying to balance availability concerns with budget constraints starting
out.
Given that NFS would also be a single point of failure, I'll probably go with Gluster,
as long as I can fit the storage requirements into the overall budget.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Monday, June 22, 2020 6:31 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
wrote:
На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White via
Usersusers(a)ovirt.org написа:
> Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
> They were both very helpful.
>
> > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM
configured
> > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host.
> > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
>
> Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit, I'm trying to
figure out
> how much RAM I would need to reserve for the host OS (or oVirt Node).
> I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum of 2GB, so perhaps
> that would suffice?
> And then as you noted, I would need to plan to give the engine 16GB.
I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more than 20 VMs, the
larger the setup - the more ram for the engine is needed.
> > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most
are now
> > 128GB 24core or more.
>
> But this is the total amount of physical RAM in your systems,
correct?
> Not the amount that you've reserved for your host OS?I've spec'd out
> some hardware, and am probably looking at purchasing two PowerEdge
> R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32 cores.
>
> > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning
a single
> > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using
> > virt-manager for the interface.
>
> Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with virt-manager,
and can
> you take snapshots?
> If those two features aren't supported by virt-manager, then that would
> almost certainly be a deal breaker.
The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that option a
long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
>
> Come to think of it, if I decided to use local storage on each
of the
> physical hosts, would I be able to migrate VMs?
> Or do I have to use a Gluster or NFS store for that?
For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN, Gluster,
CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a little bit experimental).
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger edwberger(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning
a single
> > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using
> > virt-manager for the interface.
>
> > Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are really tiny
and I
> > wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on such challenged systems.
> > I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster hyperconverged system,
> > and a spare available that can take over if one of the hosts dies.
>
> > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM
configured
> > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host.
> > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
>
> > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most
are now
> > 128GB 24core or more.
>
> > ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an oVirt
> > hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit interface you can create and
> > install the hosted-engine VM for the user and admin web interface. Its
> > very good on enterprise server hardware with lots of RAM,CPU, and
> > DISKS.
>
> > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via Users
> > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>
> > > I'm reading through all of the documentation at
> > > https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit overwhelmed with all of
> > > the different options for installing oVirt.
> >
> > >
>
> > > > My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to manage
VMs
> > > > on multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and be able to deploy
> > > > new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it would be great if I
> > > > could move a VM from 1 host to a different host as well, particularly
> > > > in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad HDD, bad processor,
> > > > etc...)
> >
> > >
>
> > > > I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between an oVirt
> > > > Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine differs from the
Manager.
> >
> > >
>
> > > > I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I further
> > > > think I understand the Engine to be essentially synonymous with a
> > > > vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
> >
> > >
>
> > > > If so, then what's the difference between the `self-hosted` vs
the
> > > > `stand-alone` engines?
> >
> > >
>
> > > > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM and
> > > > 2CPUs.
> >
> > > > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
> > > > Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is that how
> > > > much RAM that each oVirt node process requires? In other words, if I
> > > > have a physical host with 12GB of physical RAM, will I only be able
to
> > > > allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of that should I
dedicated
> > > > to the oVirt node processes?
> >
> > >
>
> > > > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing oVirt
> > > > Node? And then connect that same node to the Engine, once the Engine
is
> > > > installed?
> >
> > >
>
> > > > Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like oVirt Engine
> > > > and oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL or CentOS.
> >
> > > > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or CentOS)
> > > > 8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x (although I'll plan to just
use the
> > > > oVirt Node ISO).
> >
> > >
>
> > > > I'm also wondering about storage.
> > > > I don't really like the idea of using local storage, but a single
> > > > NFS server would also be a single point of failure, and Gluster would
> > > > be too expensive to deploy, so at this point, I'm leaning towards
using
> > > > local storage.
> >
> > >
>
> > > > Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > David
>
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12:02 p.m.
Hey David,
keep in mind that you need some big NICs.
I started my oVirt lab with 1 Gbit NIC and later added 4 dual-port 1 Gbit NICs and I
had to create multiple gluster volumes and multiple storage domains.
Yet, windows VMs cannot use software raid for boot devices, thus it's a pain in
the @$$.
I think that optimal is to have several 10Gbit NICs (at least 1 for gluster and 1 for
oVirt live migration).
Also, NVMEs can be used as lvm cache for spinning disks.
Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov
На 22 юни 2020 г. 18:50:01 GMT+03:00, David White <dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com>
написа:
>> For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN, Gluster,
>CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a little
>bit experimental).
>
>Sounds like I'll be using NFS or Gluster after all.
>Thank you.
>
>> The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that option a
>long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
>Yeah, this environment that I'm building is expected to grow over time
>(although that growth could go slowly), so I'm trying to architect
>things properly now to make future growth easier to deal with. I'm also
>trying to balance availability concerns with budget constraints
>starting out.
>
>Given that NFS would also be a single point of failure, I'll probably
>go with Gluster, as long as I can fit the storage requirements into the
>overall budget.
>
>
>Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>On Monday, June 22, 2020 6:31 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
><users(a)ovirt.org> wrote:
>
>> На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White via
>Usersusers(a)ovirt.org написа:
>>
>
>> > Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
>> > They were both very helpful.
>> >
>
>> > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM configured
>> > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
>> > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host.
>> > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
>> > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
>> >
>
>> > Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit, I'm trying to figure
>out
>> > how much RAM I would need to reserve for the host OS (or oVirt
>Node).
>> > I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum of 2GB, so perhaps
>> > that would suffice?
>> > And then as you noted, I would need to plan to give the engine
>16GB.
>>
>
>> I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more than 20 VMs, the
>larger the setup - the more ram for the engine is needed.
>>
>
>> > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are
>now
>> > > 128GB 24core or more.
>> >
>
>> > But this is the total amount of physical RAM in your systems,
>correct?
>> > Not the amount that you've reserved for your host OS?I've
spec'd
>out
>> > some hardware, and am probably looking at purchasing two PowerEdge
>> > R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32 cores.
>> >
>
>> > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a
>single
>> > > user interface, but with what you listed,
>> > > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using
>> > > virt-manager for the interface.
>> >
>
>> > Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with virt-manager, and
>can
>> > you take snapshots?
>> > If those two features aren't supported by virt-manager, then that
>would
>> > almost certainly be a deal breaker.
>>
>
>> The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that option a
>long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
>>
>
>> > Come to think of it, if I decided to use local storage on each of
>the
>> > physical hosts, would I be able to migrate VMs?
>> > Or do I have to use a Gluster or NFS store for that?
>>
>
>> For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN, Gluster,
>CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a little
>bit experimental).
>>
>
>> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger edwberger(a)gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> >
>
>> > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a
>single
>> > > user interface, but with what you listed,
>> > > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using
>> > > virt-manager for the interface.
>> >
>
>> > > Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are really tiny and I
>> > > wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on such challenged systems.
>> > > I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster hyperconverged
>system,
>> > > and a spare available that can take over if one of the hosts
>dies.
>> >
>
>> > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM configured
>> > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
>> > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host.
>> > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
>> > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
>> >
>
>> > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are
>now
>> > > 128GB 24core or more.
>> >
>
>> > > ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an oVirt
>> > > hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit interface you can
>create and
>> > > install the hosted-engine VM for the user and admin web
>interface. Its
>> > > very good on enterprise server hardware with lots of RAM,CPU, and
>> > > DISKS.
>> >
>
>> > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via Users
>> > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>> >
>
>> > > > I'm reading through all of the documentation at
>> > > > https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit overwhelmed with
>all of
>> > > > the different options for installing oVirt.
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to
manage
>VMs
>> > > > on multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and be able to
>deploy
>> > > > new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it would be
>great if I
>> > > > could move a VM from 1 host to a different host as well,
>particularly
>> > > > in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad HDD, bad
>processor,
>> > > > etc...)
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between an
>oVirt
>> > > > Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine differs from the
>Manager.
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I
>further
>> > > > think I understand the Engine to be essentially synonymous with
>a
>> > > > vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > If so, then what's the difference between the `self-hosted`
vs
>the
>> > > > `stand-alone` engines?
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM and
>> > > > 2CPUs.
>> > >
>
>> > > > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
>> > > > Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is that
>how
>> > > > much RAM that each oVirt node process requires? In other words,
>if I
>> > > > have a physical host with 12GB of physical RAM, will I only be
>able to
>> > > > allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of that should I
>dedicated
>> > > > to the oVirt node processes?
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing oVirt
>> > > > Node? And then connect that same node to the Engine, once the
>Engine is
>> > > > installed?
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like oVirt
>Engine
>> > > > and oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL or CentOS.
>> > >
>
>> > > > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or
>CentOS)
>> > > > 8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x (although I'll plan to
just
>use the
>> > > > oVirt Node ISO).
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > I'm also wondering about storage.
>> > > > I don't really like the idea of using local storage, but a
>single
>> > > > NFS server would also be a single point of failure, and Gluster
>would
>> > > > be too expensive to deploy, so at this point, I'm leaning
>towards using
>> > > > local storage.
>> > >
>
>> > > >
>
>> >
>
>> > > > Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > David
>> >
>
>> > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
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3:05 p.m.
Thanks.
I've only been considering SSD drives for storage, as that is what I currently have in
the cloud.
I think I've seen some things in the documents about oVirt and gluster
hyperconverged.
Is it possible to run oVirt and Gluster together on the same hardware? So 3 physical hosts
would run CentOS or something, and I would install oVirt Node + Gluster onto the same base
host OS? If so, then I could probably make that fit into my budget.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Monday, June 22, 2020 1:02 PM, Strahil Nikolov via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
wrote:
Hey David,
keep in mind that you need some big NICs.
I started my oVirt lab with 1 Gbit NIC and later added 4 dual-port 1 Gbit NICs and I had
to create multiple gluster volumes and multiple storage domains.
Yet, windows VMs cannot use software raid for boot devices, thus it's a pain in the
@$$.
I think that optimal is to have several 10Gbit NICs (at least 1 for gluster and 1 for
oVirt live migration).
Also, NVMEs can be used as lvm cache for spinning disks.
Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov
На 22 юни 2020 г. 18:50:01 GMT+03:00, David White
dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com написа:
> > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN,
Gluster,
> > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a little
> > bit experimental).
>
> Sounds like I'll be using NFS or Gluster after all.
> Thank you.
>
> > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that
option a
> > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
> > Yeah, this environment that I'm building is expected to grow over time
> > (although that growth could go slowly), so I'm trying to architect
> > things properly now to make future growth easier to deal with. I'm also
> > trying to balance availability concerns with budget constraints
> > starting out.
>
> Given that NFS would also be a single point of failure, I'll
probably
> go with Gluster, as long as I can fit the storage requirements into the
> overall budget.
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 6:31 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
> users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>
> > На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White via
> > Usersusers(a)ovirt.org написа:
>
> > > Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
> > > They were both very helpful.
>
> > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants
16GB RAM configured
> > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host.
> > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
>
> > > Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit, I'm
trying to figure
> > > out
> >
> > > how much RAM I would need to reserve for the host OS
(or oVirt
> > > Node).
> >
> > > I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum of
2GB, so perhaps
> > > that would suffice?
> > > And then as you noted, I would need to plan to give the engine
> > > 16GB.
>
> > I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more than 20
VMs, the
> > larger the setup - the more ram for the engine is needed.
>
> > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core,
but most are
> > > > now
> >
> > > > 128GB 24core or more.
>
> > > But this is the total amount of physical RAM in your
systems,
> > > correct?
> >
> > > Not the amount that you've reserved for your host
OS?I've spec'd
> > > out
> >
> > > some hardware, and am probably looking at purchasing
two PowerEdge
> > > R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32 cores.
>
> > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do
concerning a
> > > > single
> >
> > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > > > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using
> > > > virt-manager for the interface.
>
> > > Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with
virt-manager, and
> > > can
> >
> > > you take snapshots?
> > > If those two features aren't supported by virt-manager, then that
> > > would
> >
> > > almost certainly be a deal breaker.
>
> > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that
option a
> > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
>
> > > Come to think of it, if I decided to use local storage
on each of
> > > the
> >
> > > physical hosts, would I be able to migrate VMs?
> > > Or do I have to use a Gluster or NFS store for that?
>
> > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN,
Gluster,
> > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a little
> > bit experimental).
>
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger edwberger(a)gmail.com
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do
concerning a
> > > > single
> >
> > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > > > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and using
> > > > virt-manager for the interface.
>
> > > > Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are
really tiny and I
> > > > wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on such challenged systems.
> > > > I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster hyperconverged
> > > > system,
> >
> > > > and a spare available that can take over if one
of the hosts
> > > > dies.
> >
> > >
>
> > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants
16GB RAM configured
> > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a host.
> > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
>
> > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core,
but most are
> > > > now
> >
> > > > 128GB 24core or more.
>
> > > > > ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an oVirt
> > > > > hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit interface you can
> > > > > create and
> >
> > > > > install the hosted-engine VM for the user and admin web
> > > > > interface. Its
> >
> > > > > very good on enterprise server hardware with lots of RAM,CPU,
and
> > > > > DISKS.
>
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via Users
> > > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>
> > > > > > I'm reading through all of the documentation at
> > > > > > https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit overwhelmed
with
> > > > > > all of
> >
> > > > > > the different options for installing oVirt.
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to
manage
> > > > > > VMs
> >
> > > > > > on multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and be able
to
> > > > > > deploy
> >
> > > > > > new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it would be
> > > > > > great if I
> >
> > > > > > could move a VM from 1 host to a different host as well,
> > > > > > particularly
> >
> > > > > > in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad HDD, bad
> > > > > > processor,
> >
> > > > > > etc...)
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between
an
> > > > > > oVirt
> >
> > > > > > Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine differs from
the
> > > > > > Manager.
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I
> > > > > > further
> >
> > > > > > think I understand the Engine to be essentially synonymous
with
> > > > > > a
> >
> > > > > > vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > If so, then what's the difference between the
`self-hosted` vs
> > > > > > the
> >
> > > > > > `stand-alone` engines?
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM
and
> > > > > > 2CPUs.
>
> > > > > > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
> > > > > > Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is
that
> > > > > > how
> >
> > > > > > much RAM that each oVirt node process requires? In other
words,
> > > > > > if I
> >
> > > > > > have a physical host with 12GB of physical RAM, will I only
be
> > > > > > able to
> >
> > > > > > allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of that should
I
> > > > > > dedicated
> >
> > > > > > to the oVirt node processes?
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing
oVirt
> > > > > > Node? And then connect that same node to the Engine, once
the
> > > > > > Engine is
> >
> > > > > > installed?
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like
oVirt
> > > > > > Engine
> >
> > > > > > and oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL or
CentOS.
>
> > > > > > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or
> > > > > > CentOS)
> >
> > > > > > 8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x (although I'll plan
to just
> > > > > > use the
> >
> > > > > > oVirt Node ISO).
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > I'm also wondering about storage.
> > > > > > I don't really like the idea of using local storage, but
a
> > > > > > single
> >
> > > > > > NFS server would also be a single point of failure, and
Gluster
> > > > > > would
> >
> > > > > > be too expensive to deploy, so at this point, I'm
leaning
> > > > > > towards using
> >
> > > > > > local storage.
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > David
>
> > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
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3:41 p.m.
Yes this is the point of hyperconverged. You only need three hosts to setup
a proper hci cluster. I would recommend ssds for gluster storage. You could
get away with non raid to save money since you can do replica three with
gluster meaning your data is fully replicated across all three hosts.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:17 PM David White via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
wrote:
Thanks.
I've only been considering SSD drives for storage, as that is what I
currently have in the cloud.
I think I've seen some things in the documents about oVirt and gluster
hyperconverged.
Is it possible to run oVirt and Gluster together on the same hardware? So
3 physical hosts would run CentOS or something, and I would install oVirt
Node + Gluster onto the same base host OS? If so, then I could probably
make that fit into my budget.
Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Monday, June 22, 2020 1:02 PM, Strahil Nikolov via Users <
users(a)ovirt.org> wrote:
> Hey David,
>
> keep in mind that you need some big NICs.
> I started my oVirt lab with 1 Gbit NIC and later added 4 dual-port 1
Gbit NICs and I had to create multiple gluster volumes and multiple storage
domains.
> Yet, windows VMs cannot use software raid for boot devices, thus it's a
pain in the @$$.
> I think that optimal is to have several 10Gbit NICs (at least 1 for
gluster and 1 for oVirt live migration).
> Also, NVMEs can be used as lvm cache for spinning disks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Strahil Nikolov
>
> На 22 юни 2020 г. 18:50:01 GMT+03:00, David White
dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com написа:
>
> > > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN, Gluster,
> > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a
little
> > > bit experimental).
> >
> > Sounds like I'll be using NFS or Gluster after all.
> > Thank you.
> >
> > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that option a
> > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
> > > Yeah, this environment that I'm building is expected to grow over
time
> > > (although that growth could go slowly), so I'm trying to architect
> > > things properly now to make future growth easier to deal with. I'm
also
> > > trying to balance availability concerns with budget constraints
> > > starting out.
> >
> > Given that NFS would also be a single point of failure, I'll probably
> > go with Gluster, as long as I can fit the storage requirements into the
> > overall budget.
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > On Monday, June 22, 2020 6:31 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
> > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> >
> > > На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White via
> > > Usersusers(a)ovirt.org написа:
> >
> > > > Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
> > > > They were both very helpful.
> >
> > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM
configured
> > > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a
host.
> > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
> >
> > > > Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit, I'm trying to figure
> > > > out
> > >
> > > > how much RAM I would need to reserve for the host OS (or oVirt
> > > > Node).
> > >
> > > > I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum of 2GB, so perhaps
> > > > that would suffice?
> > > > And then as you noted, I would need to plan to give the engine
> > > > 16GB.
> >
> > > I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more than 20 VMs, the
> > > larger the setup - the more ram for the engine is needed.
> >
> > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are
> > > > > now
> > >
> > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
> >
> > > > But this is the total amount of physical RAM in your systems,
> > > > correct?
> > >
> > > > Not the amount that you've reserved for your host OS?I've
spec'd
> > > > out
> > >
> > > > some hardware, and am probably looking at purchasing two PowerEdge
> > > > R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32 cores.
> >
> > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a
> > > > > single
> > >
> > > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > > > > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and
using
> > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
> >
> > > > Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with virt-manager, and
> > > > can
> > >
> > > > you take snapshots?
> > > > If those two features aren't supported by virt-manager, then
that
> > > > would
> > >
> > > > almost certainly be a deal breaker.
> >
> > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that option a
> > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
> >
> > > > Come to think of it, if I decided to use local storage on each of
> > > > the
> > >
> > > > physical hosts, would I be able to migrate VMs?
> > > > Or do I have to use a Gluster or NFS store for that?
> >
> > > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN, Gluster,
> > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a
little
> > > bit experimental).
> >
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger
edwberger(a)gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do concerning a
> > > > > single
> > >
> > > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > > > > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and
using
> > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
> >
> > > > > Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are really tiny and I
> > > > > wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on such challenged
systems.
> > > > > I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster hyperconverged
> > > > > system,
> > >
> > > > > and a spare available that can take over if one of the hosts
> > > > > dies.
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB RAM
configured
> > > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a
host.
> > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS versions.
> >
> > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core, but most are
> > > > > now
> > >
> > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
> >
> > > > > ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an oVirt
> > > > > hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit interface you can
> > > > > create and
> > >
> > > > > install the hosted-engine VM for the user and admin web
> > > > > interface. Its
> > >
> > > > > very good on enterprise server hardware with lots of RAM,CPU,
and
> > > > > DISKS.
> >
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via Users
> > > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> >
> > > > > > I'm reading through all of the documentation at
> > > > > > https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit overwhelmed
with
> > > > > > all of
> > >
> > > > > > the different options for installing oVirt.
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > My particular use case is that I'm looking for a way to
manage
> > > > > > VMs
> > >
> > > > > > on multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and be able
to
> > > > > > deploy
> > >
> > > > > > new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it would be
> > > > > > great if I
> > >
> > > > > > could move a VM from 1 host to a different host as well,
> > > > > > particularly
> > >
> > > > > > in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad HDD, bad
> > > > > > processor,
> > >
> > > > > > etc...)
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between
an
> > > > > > oVirt
> > >
> > > > > > Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine differs from
the
> > > > > > Manager.
> > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same thing. I
> > > > > > further
> > >
> > > > > > think I understand the Engine to be essentially synonymous
with
> > > > > > a
> > >
> > > > > > vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > If so, then what's the difference between the
`self-hosted` vs
> > > > > > the
> > >
> > > > > > `stand-alone` engines?
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of 4GB RAM
and
> > > > > > 2CPUs.
> >
> > > > > > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB RAM.
> > > > > > Is this a requirement just for the physical host, or is
that
> > > > > > how
> > >
> > > > > > much RAM that each oVirt node process requires? In other
words,
> > > > > > if I
> > >
> > > > > > have a physical host with 12GB of physical RAM, will I only
be
> > > > > > able to
> > >
> > > > > > allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of that should
I
> > > > > > dedicated
> > >
> > > > > > to the oVirt node processes?
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an existing
oVirt
> > > > > > Node? And then connect that same node to the Engine, once
the
> > > > > > Engine is
> > >
> > > > > > installed?
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Reading through the documentation, it also sounds like
oVirt
> > > > > > Engine
> > >
> > > > > > and oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL or
CentOS.
> >
> > > > > > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires RHEL (or
> > > > > > CentOS)
> > >
> > > > > > 8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x (although I'll plan
to just
> > > > > > use the
> > >
> > > > > > oVirt Node ISO).
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > I'm also wondering about storage.
> > > > > > I don't really like the idea of using local storage,
but a
> > > > > > single
> > >
> > > > > > NFS server would also be a single point of failure, and
Gluster
> > > > > > would
> > >
> > > > > > be too expensive to deploy, so at this point, I'm
leaning
> > > > > > towards using
> > >
> > > > > > local storage.
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Any advice or clarity would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > David
> >
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7:25 a.m.
Thanks again for explaining all of this to me.
Much appreciated.
Regarding the hyperconverged environment,
reviewing https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/gluster-hyperconverged/chap...,
it appears to state that you need, exactly, 3 physical servers.
Is it possible to run a hyperconverged environment with more than 3 physical servers?
Because of the way that the gluster triple-redundancy works, I knew that I would need to
size all 3 physical servers' SSD drives to store 100% of the data, but there's a
possibility that 1 particular (future) customer is going to need about 10TB of disk
space.
For that reason, I'm thinking about what it would look like to have 4 or even 5
physical servers in order to increase the total amount of disk space made available to
oVirt as a whole. And then from there, I would of course setup a number of virtual disks
that I would attach back to that customer's VM.
So to recap, if I were to have a 5-node Gluster Hyperconverged environment, I'm hoping
that the data would still only be required to replicate across 3 nodes. Does this make
sense? Is this how data replication works? Almost like a RAID -- add more drives, and the
RAID gets expanded?
Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 4:41 PM, Jayme <jaymef(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes this is the point of hyperconverged. You only need three hosts to
setup a proper hci cluster. I would recommend ssds for gluster storage. You could get away
with non raid to save money since you can do replica three with gluster meaning your data
is fully replicated across all three hosts.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:17 PM David White via Users
<users(a)ovirt.org> wrote:
> Thanks.
> I've only been considering SSD drives for storage, as that is what I currently
have in the cloud.
>
> I think I've seen some things in the documents about oVirt
and gluster hyperconverged.
> Is it possible to run oVirt and Gluster together on the same hardware? So 3 physical
hosts would run CentOS or something, and I would install oVirt Node + Gluster onto the
same base host OS? If so, then I could probably make that fit into my budget.
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 1:02 PM, Strahil Nikolov via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
wrote:
>
> > Hey David,
> >
>
> > keep in mind that you need some big NICs.
> > I started my oVirt lab with 1 Gbit NIC and later added 4 dual-port 1 Gbit NICs
and I had to create multiple gluster volumes and multiple storage domains.
> > Yet, windows VMs cannot use software raid for boot devices, thus it's a
pain in the @$$.
> > I think that optimal is to have several 10Gbit NICs (at least 1 for gluster and
1 for oVirt live migration).
> > Also, NVMEs can be used as lvm cache for spinning disks.
> >
>
> > Best Regards,
> > Strahil Nikolov
> >
>
> > На 22 юни 2020 г. 18:50:01 GMT+03:00, David White
dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com написа:
> >
>
> > > > For migration between hosts you need a shared
storage. SAN, Gluster,
> > > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a
little
> > > > bit experimental).
> > >
>
> > > Sounds like I'll be using NFS or Gluster after
all.
> > > Thank you.
> > >
>
> > > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu
has that option a
> > > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
> > > > Yeah, this environment that I'm building is expected to grow over
time
> > > > (although that growth could go slowly), so I'm trying to
architect
> > > > things properly now to make future growth easier to deal with.
I'm also
> > > > trying to balance availability concerns with budget constraints
> > > > starting out.
> > >
>
> > > Given that NFS would also be a single point of
failure, I'll probably
> > > go with Gluster, as long as I can fit the storage requirements into the
> > > overall budget.
> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > On Monday, June 22, 2020 6:31 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
> > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White
via
> > > > Usersusers(a)ovirt.org написа:
> > >
>
> > > > > Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
> > > > > They were both very helpful.
> > >
>
> > > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM
wants 16GB RAM configured
> > > > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> > > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a
host.
> > > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS
versions.
> > >
>
> > > > > Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit,
I'm trying to figure
> > > > > out
> > > >
>
> > > > > how much RAM I would need to reserve for the
host OS (or oVirt
> > > > > Node).
> > > >
>
> > > > > I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a
minimum of 2GB, so perhaps
> > > > > that would suffice?
> > > > > And then as you noted, I would need to plan to give the engine
> > > > > 16GB.
> > >
>
> > > > I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more
than 20 VMs, the
> > > > larger the setup - the more ram for the engine is needed.
> > >
>
> > > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly
48GB 16core, but most are
> > > > > > now
> > > >
>
> > > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
> > >
>
> > > > > But this is the total amount of physical RAM
in your systems,
> > > > > correct?
> > > >
>
> > > > > Not the amount that you've reserved for
your host OS?I've spec'd
> > > > > out
> > > >
>
> > > > > some hardware, and am probably looking at
purchasing two PowerEdge
> > > > > R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32 cores.
> > >
>
> > > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like
it to do concerning a
> > > > > > single
> > > >
>
> > > > > > user interface, but with what you
listed,
> > > > > > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and
using
> > > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
> > >
>
> > > > > Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another
with virt-manager, and
> > > > > can
> > > >
>
> > > > > you take snapshots?
> > > > > If those two features aren't supported by virt-manager, then
that
> > > > > would
> > > >
>
> > > > > almost certainly be a deal breaker.
> > >
>
> > > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu
has that option a
> > > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
> > >
>
> > > > > Come to think of it, if I decided to use
local storage on each of
> > > > > the
> > > >
>
> > > > > physical hosts, would I be able to migrate
VMs?
> > > > > Or do I have to use a Gluster or NFS store for that?
> > >
>
> > > > For migration between hosts you need a shared
storage. SAN, Gluster,
> > > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH is a
little
> > > > bit experimental).
> > >
>
> > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger
edwberger(a)gmail.com
> > > > > wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like
it to do concerning a
> > > > > > single
> > > >
>
> > > > > > user interface, but with what you
listed,
> > > > > > you're probably better off with just plain KVM/qemu and
using
> > > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
> > >
>
> > > > > > Those memory/cpu requirements you
listed are really tiny and I
> > > > > > wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on such challenged
systems.
> > > > > > I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster
hyperconverged
> > > > > > system,
> > > >
>
> > > > > > and a spare available that can take
over if one of the hosts
> > > > > > dies.
> > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM
wants 16GB RAM configured
> > > > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
> > > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least 2GB for a
host.
> > > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS
versions.
> > >
>
> > > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly
48GB 16core, but most are
> > > > > > now
> > > >
>
> > > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
> > >
>
> > > > > > > ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an oVirt
> > > > > > > hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit interface you
can
> > > > > > > create and
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > install the hosted-engine VM for the user and admin
web
> > > > > > > interface. Its
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > very good on enterprise server hardware with lots of
RAM,CPU, and
> > > > > > > DISKS.
> > >
>
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via Users
> > > > > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > I'm reading through all of the documentation
at
> > > > > > > > https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a bit
overwhelmed with
> > > > > > > > all of
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > the different options for installing oVirt.
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > My particular use case is that I'm looking for
a way to manage
> > > > > > > > VMs
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > on multiple physical servers from 1 interface, and
be able to
> > > > > > > > deploy
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally, it
would be
> > > > > > > > great if I
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > could move a VM from 1 host to a different host as
well,
> > > > > > > > particularly
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad
HDD, bad
> > > > > > > > processor,
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > etc...)
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out what the difference
is between an
> > > > > > > > oVirt
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine
differs from the
> > > > > > > > Manager.
> > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`. Same
thing. I
> > > > > > > > further
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > think I understand the Engine to be essentially
synonymous with
> > > > > > > > a
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > If so, then what's the difference between the
`self-hosted` vs
> > > > > > > > the
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > `stand-alone` engines?
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum of
4GB RAM and
> > > > > > > > 2CPUs.
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only 2GB
RAM.
> > > > > > > > Is this a requirement just for the physical host,
or is that
> > > > > > > > how
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > much RAM that each oVirt node process requires? In
other words,
> > > > > > > > if I
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > have a physical host with 12GB of physical RAM,
will I only be
> > > > > > > > able to
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much of
that should I
> > > > > > > > dedicated
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > to the oVirt node processes?
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto an
existing oVirt
> > > > > > > > Node? And then connect that same node to the
Engine, once the
> > > > > > > > Engine is
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > installed?
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > Reading through the documentation, it also sounds
like oVirt
> > > > > > > > Engine
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > and oVirt Node require different versions of RHEL
or CentOS.
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0 requires
RHEL (or
> > > > > > > > CentOS)
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > 8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x (although
I'll plan to just
> > > > > > > > use the
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > oVirt Node ISO).
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > I'm also wondering about storage.
> > > > > > > > I don't really like the idea of using local
storage, but a
> > > > > > > > single
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > NFS server would also be a single point of
failure, and Gluster
> > > > > > > > would
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > be too expensive to deploy, so at this point,
I'm leaning
> > > > > > > > towards using
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > > local storage.
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > Any advice or clarity would be greatly
appreciated.
> > >
>
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > David
> > >
>
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8:57 a.m.
Hi David,
it's a little bit different.
Ovirt supports 'replica 3' (3 directories hsot the same content) or
'replica 3 arbiter 1' (2 directories host same data, third directory contains
metadata to prevent split brain situations) volumes.
If you have 'replica 3' it is smart to keep the data on separate hosts, although
you can keep it on the same host (but then you should use no replica and oVirt's
Single node setup).
When you extend , yoou need to add bricks (fancy name for a directory) in the x3 count.
If you wish that you want to use 5 nodes, you can go with 'replica 3 arbiter 1'
volume, where ServerA & ServerB host data and ServerC host only metadata (arbiter).
Then you can extend and for example ServerC can host again metadata while ServerD &
ServerE host data for the second replica set.
You can even use only 3 servers for Gluster , while much more systems as ovirt nodes (CPU
& RAM) to host VMs.
In case of a 4 node setup - 3 hosts have the gluster data and the 4th - is not part of ths
gluster, just hosting VMs.
Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov
На 19 юли 2020 г. 15:25:10 GMT+03:00, David White via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
написа:
>Thanks again for explaining all of this to me.
>Much appreciated.
>
>Regarding the hyperconverged environment,
>reviewing https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/gluster-hyperconverged/chap-Deploying_Hyperconverged.html,
>it appears to state that you need, exactly, 3 physical servers.
>
>Is it possible to run a hyperconverged environment with more than 3
>physical servers?
>Because of the way that the gluster triple-redundancy works, I knew
>that I would need to size all 3 physical servers' SSD drives to store
>100% of the data, but there's a possibility that 1 particular (future)
>customer is going to need about 10TB of disk space.
>
>For that reason, I'm thinking about what it would look like to have 4
>or even 5 physical servers in order to increase the total amount of
>disk space made available to oVirt as a whole. And then from there, I
>would of course setup a number of virtual disks that I would attach
>back to that customer's VM.
>
>So to recap, if I were to have a 5-node Gluster Hyperconverged
>environment, I'm hoping that the data would still only be required to
>replicate across 3 nodes. Does this make sense? Is this how data
>replication works? Almost like a RAID -- add more drives, and the RAID
>gets expanded?
>
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>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 4:41 PM, Jayme <jaymef(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes this is the point of hyperconverged. You only need three hosts to
>setup a proper hci cluster. I would recommend ssds for gluster storage.
>You could get away with non raid to save money since you can do replica
>three with gluster meaning your data is fully replicated across all
>three hosts.
>>
>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:17 PM David White via Users
><users(a)ovirt.org> wrote:
>>
>
>> > Thanks.
>> > I've only been considering SSD drives for storage, as that is what
>I currently have in the cloud.
>> >
>
>> > I think I've seen some things in the documents about oVirt and
>gluster hyperconverged.
>> > Is it possible to run oVirt and Gluster together on the same
>hardware? So 3 physical hosts would run CentOS or something, and I
>would install oVirt Node + Gluster onto the same base host OS? If so,
>then I could probably make that fit into my budget.
>> >
>
>> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>> >
>
>> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> > On Monday, June 22, 2020 1:02 PM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
><users(a)ovirt.org> wrote:
>> >
>
>> > > Hey David,
>> > >
>> >
>
>> > > keep in mind that you need some big NICs.
>> > > I started my oVirt lab with 1 Gbit NIC and later added 4
>dual-port 1 Gbit NICs and I had to create multiple gluster volumes and
>multiple storage domains.
>> > > Yet, windows VMs cannot use software raid for boot devices, thus
>it's a pain in the @$$.
>> > > I think that optimal is to have several 10Gbit NICs (at least 1
>for gluster and 1 for oVirt live migration).
>> > > Also, NVMEs can be used as lvm cache for spinning disks.
>> > >
>> >
>
>> > > Best Regards,
>> > > Strahil Nikolov
>> > >
>> >
>
>> > > На 22 юни 2020 г. 18:50:01 GMT+03:00, David White
>dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com написа:
>> > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN,
>Gluster,
>> > > > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH
>is a little
>> > > > > bit experimental).
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > Sounds like I'll be using NFS or Gluster after all.
>> > > > Thank you.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that
>option a
>> > > > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
>> > > > > Yeah, this environment that I'm building is expected to
grow
>over time
>> > > > > (although that growth could go slowly), so I'm trying to
>architect
>> > > > > things properly now to make future growth easier to deal
>with. I'm also
>> > > > > trying to balance availability concerns with budget
>constraints
>> > > > > starting out.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > Given that NFS would also be a single point of failure, I'll
>probably
>> > > > go with Gluster, as long as I can fit the storage requirements
>into the
>> > > > overall budget.
>> > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> > > > On Monday, June 22, 2020 6:31 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
>> > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White via
>> > > > > Usersusers(a)ovirt.org написа:
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
>> > > > > > They were both very helpful.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB
RAM
>configured
>> > > > > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
>> > > > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least
2GB for
>a host.
>> > > > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
>> > > > > > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS
>versions.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit, I'm
trying to
>figure
>> > > > > > out
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > how much RAM I would need to reserve for the host OS
(or
>oVirt
>> > > > > > Node).
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum of 2GB,
so
>perhaps
>> > > > > > that would suffice?
>> > > > > > And then as you noted, I would need to plan to give the
>engine
>> > > > > > 16GB.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more than 20
>VMs, the
>> > > > > larger the setup - the more ram for the engine is needed.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core,
but
>most are
>> > > > > > > now
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > But this is the total amount of physical RAM in your
>systems,
>> > > > > > correct?
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > Not the amount that you've reserved for your host
OS?I've
>spec'd
>> > > > > > out
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > some hardware, and am probably looking at purchasing
two
>PowerEdge
>> > > > > > R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32 cores.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do
>concerning a
>> > > > > > > single
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
>> > > > > > > you're probably better off with just plain
KVM/qemu and
>using
>> > > > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with
>virt-manager, and
>> > > > > > can
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > you take snapshots?
>> > > > > > If those two features aren't supported by
virt-manager,
>then that
>> > > > > > would
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > almost certainly be a deal breaker.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has that
>option a
>> > > > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > Come to think of it, if I decided to use local storage
on
>each of
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > physical hosts, would I be able to migrate VMs?
>> > > > > > Or do I have to use a Gluster or NFS store for that?
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage. SAN,
>Gluster,
>> > > > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported (CEPH
>is a little
>> > > > > bit experimental).
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> > > > > > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger
>edwberger(a)gmail.com
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to do
>concerning a
>> > > > > > > single
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
>> > > > > > > you're probably better off with just plain
KVM/qemu and
>using
>> > > > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are really
tiny
>and I
>> > > > > > > wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on such
challenged
>systems.
>> > > > > > > I would specify at least 3 hosts for a gluster
>hyperconverged
>> > > > > > > system,
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > and a spare available that can take over if one of
the
>hosts
>> > > > > > > dies.
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants 16GB
RAM
>configured
>> > > > > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB RAM.
>> > > > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at least
2GB for
>a host.
>> > > > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
>> > > > > > > The tendency is always increasing with updated OS
>versions.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB 16core,
but
>most are
>> > > > > > > now
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for an
oVirt
>> > > > > > > hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit interface
you
>can
>> > > > > > > create and
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > install the hosted-engine VM for the user and admin
web
>> > > > > > > interface. Its
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > very good on enterprise server hardware with lots
of
>RAM,CPU, and
>> > > > > > > DISKS.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White via
Users
>> > > > > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > I'm reading through all of the
documentation at
>> > > > > > > > https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am a
bit
>overwhelmed with
>> > > > > > > > all of
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > the different options for installing oVirt.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > My particular use case is that I'm looking
for a way to
>manage
>> > > > > > > > VMs
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > on multiple physical servers from 1 interface,
and be
>able to
>> > > > > > > > deploy
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary. Ideally,
it would
>be
>> > > > > > > > great if I
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > could move a VM from 1 host to a different
host as
>well,
>> > > > > > > > particularly
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > in the event that 1 host becomes degraded (bad
HDD, bad
>> > > > > > > > processor,
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > etc...)
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out what the
difference is between
>an
>> > > > > > > > oVirt
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the engine
differs
>from the
>> > > > > > > > Manager.
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > I get the feeling that `Engine` = `Manager`.
Same
>thing. I
>> > > > > > > > further
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > think I understand the Engine to be
essentially
>synonymous with
>> > > > > > > > a
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this correct?
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > If so, then what's the difference between
the
>`self-hosted` vs
>> > > > > > > > the
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > `stand-alone` engines?
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a minimum
of 4GB
>RAM and
>> > > > > > > > 2CPUs.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require only
2GB RAM.
>> > > > > > > > Is this a requirement just for the physical
host, or is
>that
>> > > > > > > > how
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > much RAM that each oVirt node process
requires? In
>other words,
>> > > > > > > > if I
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > have a physical host with 12GB of physical
RAM, will I
>only be
>> > > > > > > > able to
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How much
of that
>should I
>> > > > > > > > dedicated
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > to the oVirt node processes?
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM onto
an
>existing oVirt
>> > > > > > > > Node? And then connect that same node to the
Engine,
>once the
>> > > > > > > > Engine is
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > installed?
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > Reading through the documentation, it also
sounds like
>oVirt
>> > > > > > > > Engine
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > and oVirt Node require different versions of
RHEL or
>CentOS.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0
requires RHEL
>(or
>> > > > > > > > CentOS)
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > 8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x (although
I'll plan
>to just
>> > > > > > > > use the
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > oVirt Node ISO).
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > I'm also wondering about storage.
>> > > > > > > > I don't really like the idea of using
local storage,
>but a
>> > > > > > > > single
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > NFS server would also be a single point of
failure, and
>Gluster
>> > > > > > > > would
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > be too expensive to deploy, so at this point,
I'm
>leaning
>> > > > > > > > towards using
>> > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > local storage.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > >
>> >
>
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > Any advice or clarity would be greatly
appreciated.
>> > > >
>> >
>
>> > > > > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > > > > David
>> > > >
>> >
>
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1:09 p.m.
Thank you.
So to make sure I understand what you're saying, it sounds like if I need 4 nodes (or
more), I should NOT do a "hyperconverged" installation, but should instead
prepare Gluster separately from the oVirt Manager installation. Do I understand this
correctly?
If that is the case, can I still use some of the servers for dual purposes (Gluster +
oVirt Manager)? I'm most likely going to need more servers for the storage than I will
need for the RAM & CPU, which is a little bit opposite of what you wrote (using 3
servers for Gluster and adding additional nodes for RAM & CPU).
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On Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:57 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
wrote:
Hi David,
it's a little bit different.
Ovirt supports 'replica 3' (3 directories hsot the same
content) or 'replica 3 arbiter 1' (2 directories host same data, third directory
contains metadata to prevent split brain situations) volumes.
If you have 'replica 3' it is smart to keep the data on
separate hosts, although you can keep it on the same host (but then you should use no
replica and oVirt's Single node setup).
When you extend , yoou need to add bricks (fancy name for a
directory) in the x3 count.
If you wish that you want to use 5 nodes, you can go with
'replica 3 arbiter 1' volume, where ServerA & ServerB host data and ServerC
host only metadata (arbiter). Then you can extend and for example ServerC can host again
metadata while ServerD & ServerE host data for the second replica set.
You can even use only 3 servers for Gluster , while much more systems
as ovirt nodes (CPU & RAM) to host VMs.
In case of a 4 node setup - 3 hosts have the gluster data and the 4th - is not part of
ths gluster, just hosting VMs.
Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov
На 19 юли 2020 г. 15:25:10 GMT+03:00, David White via Users
users(a)ovirt.org написа:
> Thanks again for explaining all of this to me.
> Much appreciated.
> Regarding the hyperconverged environment,
>
reviewing https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/gluster-hyperconverged/chap...,
> it appears to state that you need, exactly, 3 physical servers.
> Is it possible to run a hyperconverged environment with more than 3
> physical servers?
> Because of the way that the gluster triple-redundancy works, I knew
> that I would need to size all 3 physical servers' SSD drives to store
> 100% of the data, but there's a possibility that 1 particular (future)
> customer is going to need about 10TB of disk space.
> For that reason, I'm thinking about what it would look like to have 4
> or even 5 physical servers in order to increase the total amount of
> disk space made available to oVirt as a whole. And then from there, I
> would of course setup a number of virtual disks that I would attach
> back to that customer's VM.
> So to recap, if I were to have a 5-node Gluster Hyperconverged
> environment, I'm hoping that the data would still only be required to
> replicate across 3 nodes. Does this make sense? Is this how data
> replication works? Almost like a RAID -- add more drives, and the RAID
> gets expanded?
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> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 4:41 PM, Jayme jaymef(a)gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Yes this is the point of hyperconverged. You only need
three hosts to
> > setup a proper hci cluster. I would recommend ssds for gluster storage.
> > You could get away with non raid to save money since you can do replica
> > three with gluster meaning your data is fully replicated across all
> > three hosts.
>
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:17 PM David White via Users
> > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>
> > > Thanks.
> > > I've only been considering SSD drives for storage, as that is what
> > > I currently have in the cloud.
> >
> > >
>
> > > > I think I've seen some things in the documents about oVirt and
> > > > gluster hyperconverged.
> >
> > > > Is it possible to run oVirt and Gluster together on the same
> > > > hardware? So 3 physical hosts would run CentOS or something, and I
> > > > would install oVirt Node + Gluster onto the same base host OS? If so,
> > > > then I could probably make that fit into my budget.
> >
> > >
>
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> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > On Monday, June 22, 2020 1:02 PM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
> > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > Hey David,
>
> > > > > keep in mind that you need some big NICs.
> > > > > I started my oVirt lab with 1 Gbit NIC and later added 4
> > > > > dual-port 1 Gbit NICs and I had to create multiple gluster
volumes and
> > > > > multiple storage domains.
> >
> > > > > Yet, windows VMs cannot use software raid for boot devices, thus
> > > > > it's a pain in the @$$.
> >
> > > > > I think that optimal is to have several 10Gbit NICs (at least 1
> > > > > for gluster and 1 for oVirt live migration).
> >
> > > > > Also, NVMEs can be used as lvm cache for spinning disks.
>
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Strahil Nikolov
>
> > > > > На 22 юни 2020 г. 18:50:01 GMT+03:00, David White
> > > > > dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com написа:
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > > > > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage.
SAN,
> > > > > > > Gluster,
> >
> > > > > > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported
(CEPH
> > > > > > > is a little
> >
> > > > > > > bit experimental).
>
> > > > > > Sounds like I'll be using NFS or Gluster after all.
> > > > > > Thank you.
>
> > > > > > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has
that
> > > > > > > option a
> >
> > > > > > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
> > > > > > > Yeah, this environment that I'm building is
expected to grow
> > > > > > > over time
> >
> > > > > > > (although that growth could go slowly), so I'm
trying to
> > > > > > > architect
> >
> > > > > > > things properly now to make future growth easier to
deal
> > > > > > > with. I'm also
> >
> > > > > > > trying to balance availability concerns with budget
> > > > > > > constraints
> >
> > > > > > > starting out.
>
> > > > > > Given that NFS would also be a single point of failure,
I'll
> > > > > > probably
> >
> > > > > > go with Gluster, as long as I can fit the storage
requirements
> > > > > > into the
> >
> > > > > > overall budget.
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> > > > > > On Monday, June 22, 2020 6:31 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
> > > > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>
> > > > > > > На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White via
> > > > > > > Usersusers(a)ovirt.org написа:
>
> > > > > > > > Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
> > > > > > > > They were both very helpful.
>
> > > > > > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants
16GB RAM
> > > > > > > > > configured
> >
> > > > > > > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB
RAM.
> > > > > > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at
least 2GB for
> > > > > > > > > a host.
> >
> > > > > > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > > > > > > The tendency is always increasing with
updated OS
> > > > > > > > > versions.
> >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit,
I'm trying to
> > > > > > > > figure
> >
> > > > > > > > out
>
> > > > > > > > how much RAM I would need to reserve for the host
OS (or
> > > > > > > > oVirt
> >
> > > > > > > > Node).
>
> > > > > > > > I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum
of 2GB, so
> > > > > > > > perhaps
> >
> > > > > > > > that would suffice?
> > > > > > > > And then as you noted, I would need to plan to
give the
> > > > > > > > engine
> >
> > > > > > > > 16GB.
>
> > > > > > > I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more than
20
> > > > > > > VMs, the
> >
> > > > > > > larger the setup - the more ram for the engine is
needed.
>
> > > > > > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB
16core, but
> > > > > > > > > most are
> >
> > > > > > > > > now
>
> > > > > > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
>
> > > > > > > > But this is the total amount of physical RAM in
your
> > > > > > > > systems,
> >
> > > > > > > > correct?
>
> > > > > > > > Not the amount that you've reserved for your
host OS?I've
> > > > > > > > spec'd
> >
> > > > > > > > out
>
> > > > > > > > some hardware, and am probably looking at
purchasing two
> > > > > > > > PowerEdge
> >
> > > > > > > > R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32
cores.
>
> > > > > > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to
do
> > > > > > > > > concerning a
> >
> > > > > > > > > single
>
> > > > > > > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > > > > > > > > you're probably better off with just
plain KVM/qemu and
> > > > > > > > > using
> >
> > > > > > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
>
> > > > > > > > Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with
> > > > > > > > virt-manager, and
> >
> > > > > > > > can
>
> > > > > > > > you take snapshots?
> > > > > > > > If those two features aren't supported by
virt-manager,
> > > > > > > > then that
> >
> > > > > > > > would
>
> > > > > > > > almost certainly be a deal breaker.
>
> > > > > > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has
that
> > > > > > > option a
> >
> > > > > > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do it.
>
> > > > > > > > Come to think of it, if I decided to use local
storage on
> > > > > > > > each of
> >
> > > > > > > > the
>
> > > > > > > > physical hosts, would I be able to migrate VMs?
> > > > > > > > Or do I have to use a Gluster or NFS store for
that?
>
> > > > > > > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage.
SAN,
> > > > > > > Gluster,
> >
> > > > > > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported
(CEPH
> > > > > > > is a little
> >
> > > > > > > bit experimental).
>
> > > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger
> > > > > > > > edwberger(a)gmail.com
> >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to
do
> > > > > > > > > concerning a
> >
> > > > > > > > > single
>
> > > > > > > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > > > > > > > > you're probably better off with just
plain KVM/qemu and
> > > > > > > > > using
> >
> > > > > > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
>
> > > > > > > > > Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are
really tiny
> > > > > > > > > and I
> >
> > > > > > > > > wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on
such challenged
> > > > > > > > > systems.
> >
> > > > > > > > > I would specify at least 3 hosts for a
gluster
> > > > > > > > > hyperconverged
> >
> > > > > > > > > system,
>
> > > > > > > > > and a spare available that can take over if
one of the
> > > > > > > > > hosts
> >
> > > > > > > > > dies.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM wants
16GB RAM
> > > > > > > > > configured
> >
> > > > > > > > > though I've built older versions with 8GB
RAM.
> > > > > > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at
least 2GB for
> > > > > > > > > a host.
> >
> > > > > > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > > > > > > The tendency is always increasing with
updated OS
> > > > > > > > > versions.
> >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB
16core, but
> > > > > > > > > most are
> >
> > > > > > > > > now
>
> > > > > > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
>
> > > > > > > > > ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for
an oVirt
> > > > > > > > > hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit
interface you
> > > > > > > > > can
> >
> > > > > > > > > create and
>
> > > > > > > > > install the hosted-engine VM for the user and
admin web
> > > > > > > > > interface. Its
>
> > > > > > > > > very good on enterprise server hardware with
lots of
> > > > > > > > > RAM,CPU, and
> >
> > > > > > > > > DISKS.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White
via Users
> > > > > > > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading through all of the
documentation at
> > > > > > > > > > https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and am
a bit
> > > > > > > > > > overwhelmed with
> >
> > > > > > > > > > all of
>
> > > > > > > > > > the different options for installing
oVirt.
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > My particular use case is that I'm
looking for a way to
> > > > > > > > > > manage
> >
> > > > > > > > > > VMs
>
> > > > > > > > > > on multiple physical servers from 1
interface, and be
> > > > > > > > > > able to
> >
> > > > > > > > > > deploy
>
> > > > > > > > > > new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary.
Ideally, it would
> > > > > > > > > > be
> >
> > > > > > > > > > great if I
>
> > > > > > > > > > could move a VM from 1 host to a
different host as
> > > > > > > > > > well,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > particularly
>
> > > > > > > > > > in the event that 1 host becomes
degraded (bad HDD, bad
> > > > > > > > > > processor,
>
> > > > > > > > > > etc...)
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out what the
difference is between
> > > > > > > > > > an
> >
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt
>
> > > > > > > > > > Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the
engine differs
> > > > > > > > > > from the
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Manager.
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > I get the feeling that `Engine` =
`Manager`. Same
> > > > > > > > > > thing. I
> >
> > > > > > > > > > further
>
> > > > > > > > > > think I understand the Engine to be
essentially
> > > > > > > > > > synonymous with
> >
> > > > > > > > > > a
>
> > > > > > > > > > vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this
correct?
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > If so, then what's the difference
between the
> > > > > > > > > > `self-hosted` vs
> >
> > > > > > > > > > the
>
> > > > > > > > > > `stand-alone` engines?
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a
minimum of 4GB
> > > > > > > > > > RAM and
> >
> > > > > > > > > > 2CPUs.
>
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require
only 2GB RAM.
> > > > > > > > > > Is this a requirement just for the
physical host, or is
> > > > > > > > > > that
> >
> > > > > > > > > > how
>
> > > > > > > > > > much RAM that each oVirt node process
requires? In
> > > > > > > > > > other words,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > if I
>
> > > > > > > > > > have a physical host with 12GB of
physical RAM, will I
> > > > > > > > > > only be
> >
> > > > > > > > > > able to
>
> > > > > > > > > > allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How
much of that
> > > > > > > > > > should I
> >
> > > > > > > > > > dedicated
>
> > > > > > > > > > to the oVirt node processes?
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a VM
onto an
> > > > > > > > > > existing oVirt
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Node? And then connect that same node to
the Engine,
> > > > > > > > > > once the
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Engine is
>
> > > > > > > > > > installed?
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > Reading through the documentation, it
also sounds like
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Engine
>
> > > > > > > > > > and oVirt Node require different
versions of RHEL or
> > > > > > > > > > CentOS.
> >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0
requires RHEL
> > > > > > > > > > (or
> >
> > > > > > > > > > CentOS)
>
> > > > > > > > > > 8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x
(although I'll plan
> > > > > > > > > > to just
> >
> > > > > > > > > > use the
>
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt Node ISO).
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm also wondering about storage.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't really like the idea of
using local storage,
> > > > > > > > > > but a
> >
> > > > > > > > > > single
>
> > > > > > > > > > NFS server would also be a single point
of failure, and
> > > > > > > > > > Gluster
> >
> > > > > > > > > > would
>
> > > > > > > > > > be too expensive to deploy, so at this
point, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > leaning
> >
> > > > > > > > > > towards using
>
> > > > > > > > > > local storage.
>
> > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > Any advice or clarity would be greatly
appreciated.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > David
>
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3:18 p.m.
You would setup three servers first in hyperconverged using either replica
3 or replica 3 arbiter 1 then add your fourth host afterward as a compute
only host that can host vms but does not participate in glusterfs storage.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 3:12 PM David White via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
wrote:
Thank you.
So to make sure I understand what you're saying, it sounds like if I need
4 nodes (or more), I should NOT do a "hyperconverged" installation, but
should instead prepare Gluster separately from the oVirt Manager
installation. Do I understand this correctly?
If that is the case, can I still use some of the servers for dual purposes
(Gluster + oVirt Manager)? I'm most likely going to need more servers for
the storage than I will need for the RAM & CPU, which is a little bit
opposite of what you wrote (using 3 servers for Gluster and adding
additional nodes for RAM & CPU).
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On Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:57 AM, Strahil Nikolov via Users <
users(a)ovirt.org> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> it's a little bit different.
>
> Ovirt supports 'replica 3' (3 directories hsot the same content) or
'replica 3 arbiter 1' (2 directories host same data, third directory
contains metadata to prevent split brain situations) volumes.
>
> If you have 'replica 3' it is smart to keep the data on separate hosts,
although you can keep it on the same host (but then you should use no
replica and oVirt's Single node setup).
>
> When you extend , yoou need to add bricks (fancy name for a directory)
in the x3 count.
>
> If you wish that you want to use 5 nodes, you can go with 'replica 3
arbiter 1' volume, where ServerA & ServerB host data and ServerC host only
metadata (arbiter). Then you can extend and for example ServerC can host
again metadata while ServerD & ServerE host data for the second replica set.
>
> You can even use only 3 servers for Gluster , while much more systems as
ovirt nodes (CPU & RAM) to host VMs.
> In case of a 4 node setup - 3 hosts have the gluster data and the 4th -
is not part of ths gluster, just hosting VMs.
>
> Best Regards,
> Strahil Nikolov
>
> На 19 юли 2020 г. 15:25:10 GMT+03:00, David White via Users
users(a)ovirt.org написа:
>
> > Thanks again for explaining all of this to me.
> > Much appreciated.
> > Regarding the hyperconverged environment,
> > reviewing
https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/gluster-hyperconverged/chap-Deploying...
,
> > it appears to state that you need, exactly, 3 physical servers.
> > Is it possible to run a hyperconverged environment with more than 3
> > physical servers?
> > Because of the way that the gluster triple-redundancy works, I knew
> > that I would need to size all 3 physical servers' SSD drives to store
> > 100% of the data, but there's a possibility that 1 particular (future)
> > customer is going to need about 10TB of disk space.
> > For that reason, I'm thinking about what it would look like to have 4
> > or even 5 physical servers in order to increase the total amount of
> > disk space made available to oVirt as a whole. And then from there, I
> > would of course setup a number of virtual disks that I would attach
> > back to that customer's VM.
> > So to recap, if I were to have a 5-node Gluster Hyperconverged
> > environment, I'm hoping that the data would still only be required to
> > replicate across 3 nodes. Does this make sense? Is this how data
> > replication works? Almost like a RAID -- add more drives, and the RAID
> > gets expanded?
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> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 4:41 PM, Jayme jaymef(a)gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Yes this is the point of hyperconverged. You only need three hosts to
> > > setup a proper hci cluster. I would recommend ssds for gluster
storage.
> > > You could get away with non raid to save money since you can do
replica
> > > three with gluster meaning your data is fully replicated across all
> > > three hosts.
> >
> > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:17 PM David White via Users
> > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > I've only been considering SSD drives for storage, as that is
what
> > > > I currently have in the cloud.
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I think I've seen some things in the documents about oVirt and
> > > > gluster hyperconverged.
> > >
> > > > Is it possible to run oVirt and Gluster together on the same
> > > > hardware? So 3 physical hosts would run CentOS or something, and I
> > > > would install oVirt Node + Gluster onto the same base host OS? If
so,
> > > > then I could probably make that fit into my budget.
> > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > On Monday, June 22, 2020 1:02 PM, Strahil Nikolov via Users
> > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Hey David,
> >
> > > > > keep in mind that you need some big NICs.
> > > > > I started my oVirt lab with 1 Gbit NIC and later added 4
> > > > > dual-port 1 Gbit NICs and I had to create multiple gluster
volumes and
> > > > > multiple storage domains.
> > >
> > > > > Yet, windows VMs cannot use software raid for boot devices,
thus
> > > > > it's a pain in the @$$.
> > >
> > > > > I think that optimal is to have several 10Gbit NICs (at least 1
> > > > > for gluster and 1 for oVirt live migration).
> > >
> > > > > Also, NVMEs can be used as lvm cache for spinning disks.
> >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Strahil Nikolov
> >
> > > > > На 22 юни 2020 г. 18:50:01 GMT+03:00, David White
> > > > > dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com написа:
> > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage.
SAN,
> > > > > > > Gluster,
> > >
> > > > > > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported
(CEPH
> > > > > > > is a little
> > >
> > > > > > > bit experimental).
> >
> > > > > > Sounds like I'll be using NFS or Gluster after all.
> > > > > > Thank you.
> >
> > > > > > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has
that
> > > > > > > option a
> > >
> > > > > > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do
it.
> > > > > > > Yeah, this environment that I'm building is
expected to grow
> > > > > > > over time
> > >
> > > > > > > (although that growth could go slowly), so I'm
trying to
> > > > > > > architect
> > >
> > > > > > > things properly now to make future growth easier to
deal
> > > > > > > with. I'm also
> > >
> > > > > > > trying to balance availability concerns with budget
> > > > > > > constraints
> > >
> > > > > > > starting out.
> >
> > > > > > Given that NFS would also be a single point of failure,
I'll
> > > > > > probably
> > >
> > > > > > go with Gluster, as long as I can fit the storage
requirements
> > > > > > into the
> > >
> > > > > > overall budget.
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> > > > > > On Monday, June 22, 2020 6:31 AM, Strahil Nikolov via
Users
> > > > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > На 22 юни 2020 г. 11:06:16 GMT+03:00, David White via
> > > > > > > Usersusers(a)ovirt.org написа:
> >
> > > > > > > > Thank you and Strahil for your responses.
> > > > > > > > They were both very helpful.
> >
> > > > > > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM
wants 16GB RAM
> > > > > > > > > configured
> > >
> > > > > > > > > though I've built older versions with
8GB RAM.
> > > > > > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at
least 2GB for
> > > > > > > > > a host.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > > > > > > The tendency is always increasing with
updated OS
> > > > > > > > > versions.
> > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > Ok, so to clarify my question a little bit,
I'm trying to
> > > > > > > > figure
> > >
> > > > > > > > out
> >
> > > > > > > > how much RAM I would need to reserve for the host
OS (or
> > > > > > > > oVirt
> > >
> > > > > > > > Node).
> >
> > > > > > > > I do recall that CentOS / RHEL 8 wants a minimum
of 2GB, so
> > > > > > > > perhaps
> > >
> > > > > > > > that would suffice?
> > > > > > > > And then as you noted, I would need to plan to
give the
> > > > > > > > engine
> > >
> > > > > > > > 16GB.
> >
> > > > > > > I run my engine on 4Gb or RAM, but i have no more than
20
> > > > > > > VMs, the
> > >
> > > > > > > larger the setup - the more ram for the engine is
needed.
> >
> > > > > > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB
16core, but
> > > > > > > > > most are
> > >
> > > > > > > > > now
> >
> > > > > > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
> >
> > > > > > > > But this is the total amount of physical RAM in
your
> > > > > > > > systems,
> > >
> > > > > > > > correct?
> >
> > > > > > > > Not the amount that you've reserved for your
host OS?I've
> > > > > > > > spec'd
> > >
> > > > > > > > out
> >
> > > > > > > > some hardware, and am probably looking at
purchasing two
> > > > > > > > PowerEdge
> > >
> > > > > > > > R820's to start, each with 64GB RAM and 32
cores.
> >
> > > > > > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to
do
> > > > > > > > > concerning a
> > >
> > > > > > > > > single
> >
> > > > > > > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > > > > > > > > you're probably better off with just
plain KVM/qemu and
> > > > > > > > > using
> > >
> > > > > > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
> >
> > > > > > > > Can you migrate VMs from 1 host to another with
> > > > > > > > virt-manager, and
> > >
> > > > > > > > can
> >
> > > > > > > > you take snapshots?
> > > > > > > > If those two features aren't supported by
virt-manager,
> > > > > > > > then that
> > >
> > > > > > > > would
> >
> > > > > > > > almost certainly be a deal breaker.
> >
> > > > > > > The engine is just a management layer. KVM/qemu has
that
> > > > > > > option a
> > >
> > > > > > > long time ago, yet it's some manual work to do
it.
> >
> > > > > > > > Come to think of it, if I decided to use local
storage on
> > > > > > > > each of
> > >
> > > > > > > > the
> >
> > > > > > > > physical hosts, would I be able to migrate VMs?
> > > > > > > > Or do I have to use a Gluster or NFS store for
that?
> >
> > > > > > > For migration between hosts you need a shared storage.
SAN,
> > > > > > > Gluster,
> > >
> > > > > > > CEPH, NFS, iSCSI are among the ones already supported
(CEPH
> > > > > > > is a little
> > >
> > > > > > > bit experimental).
> >
> > > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 5:58 PM, Edward Berger
> > > > > > > > edwberger(a)gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > While ovirt can do what you would like it to
do
> > > > > > > > > concerning a
> > >
> > > > > > > > > single
> >
> > > > > > > > > user interface, but with what you listed,
> > > > > > > > > you're probably better off with just
plain KVM/qemu and
> > > > > > > > > using
> > >
> > > > > > > > > virt-manager for the interface.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Those memory/cpu requirements you listed are
really tiny
> > > > > > > > > and I
> > >
> > > > > > > > > wouldn't recommend even trying ovirt on
such challenged
> > > > > > > > > systems.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > I would specify at least 3 hosts for a
gluster
> > > > > > > > > hyperconverged
> > >
> > > > > > > > > system,
> >
> > > > > > > > > and a spare available that can take over if
one of the
> > > > > > > > > hosts
> > >
> > > > > > > > > dies.
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > I think a hosted engine installation VM
wants 16GB RAM
> > > > > > > > > configured
> > >
> > > > > > > > > though I've built older versions with
8GB RAM.
> > > > > > > > > For modern VMs CentOS8 x86_64 recommends at
least 2GB for
> > > > > > > > > a host.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > CentOS7 was OK with 1, CentOS6 maybe 512K.
> > > > > > > > > The tendency is always increasing with
updated OS
> > > > > > > > > versions.
> > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > My minimum ovirt systems were mostly 48GB
16core, but
> > > > > > > > > most are
> > >
> > > > > > > > > now
> >
> > > > > > > > > 128GB 24core or more.
> >
> > > > > > > > > ovirt node ng is a prepackaged installer for
an oVirt
> > > > > > > > > hypervisor/gluster host, with its cockpit
interface you
> > > > > > > > > can
> > >
> > > > > > > > > create and
> >
> > > > > > > > > install the hosted-engine VM for the user
and admin web
> > > > > > > > > interface. Its
> >
> > > > > > > > > very good on enterprise server hardware with
lots of
> > > > > > > > > RAM,CPU, and
> > >
> > > > > > > > > DISKS.
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 4:34 PM David White
via Users
> > > > > > > > > users(a)ovirt.org wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading through all of the
documentation at
> > > > > > > > > > https://ovirt.org/documentation/, and
am a bit
> > > > > > > > > > overwhelmed with
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > all of
> >
> > > > > > > > > > the different options for installing
oVirt.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > My particular use case is that I'm
looking for a way to
> > > > > > > > > > manage
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > VMs
> >
> > > > > > > > > > on multiple physical servers from 1
interface, and be
> > > > > > > > > > able to
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > deploy
> >
> > > > > > > > > > new VMs (or delete VMs) as necessary.
Ideally, it would
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > great if I
> >
> > > > > > > > > > could move a VM from 1 host to a
different host as
> > > > > > > > > > well,
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > particularly
> >
> > > > > > > > > > in the event that 1 host becomes
degraded (bad HDD, bad
> > > > > > > > > > processor,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > etc...)
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure out what the
difference is between
> > > > > > > > > > an
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Node and the oVirt Engine, and how the
engine differs
> > > > > > > > > > from the
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Manager.
> >
> > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I get the feeling that `Engine` =
`Manager`. Same
> > > > > > > > > > thing. I
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > further
> >
> > > > > > > > > > think I understand the Engine to be
essentially
> > > > > > > > > > synonymous with
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > a
> >
> > > > > > > > > > vCenter VM for ESXi hosts. Is this
correct?
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > If so, then what's the difference
between the
> > > > > > > > > > `self-hosted` vs
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > the
> >
> > > > > > > > > > `stand-alone` engines?
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt Engine requirements look to be a
minimum of 4GB
> > > > > > > > > > RAM and
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2CPUs.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt Nodes, on the other hand, require
only 2GB RAM.
> > > > > > > > > > Is this a requirement just for the
physical host, or is
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > how
> >
> > > > > > > > > > much RAM that each oVirt node process
requires? In
> > > > > > > > > > other words,
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > if I
> >
> > > > > > > > > > have a physical host with 12GB of
physical RAM, will I
> > > > > > > > > > only be
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > able to
> >
> > > > > > > > > > allocate 10GB of that to guest VMs? How
much of that
> > > > > > > > > > should I
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > dedicated
> >
> > > > > > > > > > to the oVirt node processes?
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Can you install the oVirt Engine as a
VM onto an
> > > > > > > > > > existing oVirt
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Node? And then connect that same node
to the Engine,
> > > > > > > > > > once the
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Engine is
> >
> > > > > > > > > > installed?
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Reading through the documentation, it
also sounds like
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Engine
> >
> > > > > > > > > > and oVirt Node require different
versions of RHEL or
> > > > > > > > > > CentOS.
> > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I read that the Engine for oVirt 4.4.0
requires RHEL
> > > > > > > > > > (or
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > CentOS)
> >
> > > > > > > > > > 8.2, whereas each Node requires 7.x
(although I'll plan
> > > > > > > > > > to just
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > use the
> >
> > > > > > > > > > oVirt Node ISO).
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm also wondering about storage.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't really like the idea of
using local storage,
> > > > > > > > > > but a
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > single
> >
> > > > > > > > > > NFS server would also be a single point
of failure, and
> > > > > > > > > > Gluster
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > would
> >
> > > > > > > > > > be too expensive to deploy, so at this
point, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > leaning
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > towards using
> >
> > > > > > > > > > local storage.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Any advice or clarity would be greatly
appreciated.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > David
> >
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На 19 юли 2020 г. 21:09:14 GMT+03:00, David White via Users <users(a)ovirt.org>
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Thank you.
So to make sure I understand what you're saying, it sounds like if I
need 4 nodes (or more), I should NOT do a "hyperconverged"
installation, but should instead prepare Gluster separately from the
oVirt Manager installation. Do I understand this correctly?
Not exactly. When you use oVirt to configure gluster you will provide only the 3 nodes
for gluster , and when the engine is up and running - you will add the 4th node. You need
to know what you are doing , in order to setup gluster yourself.
If that is the case, can I still use some of the servers for dual
purposes (Gluster + oVirt Manager)? I'm most likely going to need more
servers for the storage than I will need for the RAM & CPU, which is a
little bit opposite of what you wrote (using 3 servers for Gluster and
adding additional nodes for RAM & CPU).
It will be a waste of resources if you keep gluster separate from oVirt. You can add
oVirt nodes in the cound of 3 , so you can both extend Gluster and the oVirt's
cluster nodes.
If you have compute-only nodes (servers only in oVirt , but not part of Gluster) - you can
allow the engine to power off and power on Hosts on demand - so you can conserve power and
cooling while keeping the count of oVirt nodes in the healthy zone.
Best Regards,
Strahil Nikolov
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