7:28 a.m.
Hi everyone,
That is a grand subject for my first "proper" email to the Users list,
and it definitely needs some context! So let me introduce myself.
My name is Dave Neary, and I recently started working for a group which
is being formed inside Red Hat called OSAS (open source and standards).
The role of my group is to help make any open source projects that Red
Hat works in successful, and I would really like to help take oVirt to
the next level in terms of adoption and contribution.
One of the things I'm still figuring out is what the natural audience
for oVirt is, and what you all like about oVirt, and would like to see
improved. Based on that, I would like to propose areas we as a community
can concentrate on related to the product, the website, and our
marketing and promotion, but the first step is still to get a better
idea what the target audience for oVirt is, and should be.
So - how are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it over alternatives?
What do you like about it? and what would you like to see change,
whether that is in terms of technical, process, or marketing changes?
I'm here to help, but to do so I need your help first!
Please feel free to reply to me on-list (if you'd like to start
discussion) or off-list (if you'd like your feedback to be more
discrete). Any feedback at all will be helpful.
Thank you very much - I look forward to hearing from as many of you as
possible.
Regards,
Dave.
PS. I'm still figuring out proper mailing list etiquette for this
project - I've added board@ and arch@ to CC since I expect our work to
have project-wide consequences, but it's more to keep people informed at
this point. Please let me know off-list if I'm doing something I shouldn't!
--
Dave Neary
Community Action and Impact
Open Source and Standards Team, Red Hat
Phone: +33 9 50 71 55 62
7:48 a.m.
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My name is Dave Neary, and I recently started working for a group
which is being formed inside Red Hat called OSAS (open source and
standards). The role of my group is to help make any open source
projects that Red Hat works in successful, and I would really like
to help take oVirt to the next level in terms of adoption and
contribution.
Just some context for folks - OSAS is the team that I work on with
other people you've seen around oVirt: Leslie Hawthorn, Carl Trieloff,
Jim Jagielski, and Jason Brooks. (You'll likely see others of us, such
as Garrett LeSage, as we all work on upstream projects together.)
Helping with the open sourcing and community growth of oVirt is really
the first project the OSAS team worked on together.
To quote Dave:
07:43 < dneary> We're basically the A-Team for community stuff
07:44 < dneary> Except our theme music isn't as cool
Cheers - Karsten
- --
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Analyst - Community Growth
Red Hat Open Source and Standards (OSAS)
http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
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8:29 a.m.
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Dave Neary wrote:
So - how are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it over
alternatives? What
do you like about it? and what would you like to see change, whether that is
in terms of technical, process, or marketing changes? I'm here to help, but
to do so I need your help first!
Small private cloud deployments. We choose it because it was focused on
KVM, RedHat driven, simple to manage, and libvirt based. Would love to see
real glusterfs integration, quantum integration, and better API.
<>
Nathan Stratton
nathan at robotics.net
http://www.robotics.net
8:33 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Stratton" <nathan(a)robotics.net>
To: "Dave Neary" <dneary(a)redhat.com>
Cc: "arch" <arch(a)ovirt.org>, "Users" <users(a)ovirt.org>,
"board" <board(a)ovirt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:29:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Users] What are you looking for from oVirt?
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Dave Neary wrote:
> So - how are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it over
> alternatives? What
> do you like about it? and what would you like to see change,
> whether that is
> in terms of technical, process, or marketing changes? I'm here to
> help, but
> to do so I need your help first!
Small private cloud deployments. We choose it because it was focused
on
KVM, RedHat driven, simple to manage, and libvirt based. Would love
What does your deployment look like - it's be great to understand how you're using
it - eg. Linux guests only, Windows, size of deployment - do your users use poweruser
portal etc.
to see
real glusterfs integration, quantum integration, and better API.
GlusterFS and Quantum are certainly in the works, but in a separate thread I'd love to
hear feedback on the API what the issues/enhancements are.
Would you be able to post some initial comments on that?
thanks
Aic
><>
Nathan Stratton
nathan at robotics.net
http://www.robotics.net
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8:57 a.m.
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Andrew Cathrow wrote:
What does your deployment look like - it's be great to understand
how you're using it - eg. Linux guests only, Windows, size of deployment - do your
users use poweruser portal etc.
I have 2 deployments I am working on with two different companies.
The first is two clusters (SJC and NYC) each with 20 boxes PXEBooted to
a backend NetApp. All guests are Linux (Centos, RHEL, and Fedora). One of
the unique things with the clusters is they use read only linux and NFS
root.
The 2nd is still in design stage, but is starting out with 3 clusters
(East / West US and Europe) each with 20 boxes. Each server is based on
white label Xeon E5-2687W, 128GB RAM, 10GBase-T, and 12 SATA disks on a
hardware RAID 6 controller. This is also going to use shared NFS read only
root with PXEBoot from NetApps.
I have been running GlusterFS on and off for 5 years and are looking at
running GlusterFS on all the raw 300TB RAID6 in each server. Each server
will be a brick, two servers with distribute for redundancy, 10
distribute pairs then will be unified. I have been trying to use this for
raw image store for years, but its just not ready, so we will use NetApp
for that, however GlusterFS will be very handy for tier 2 bulk storage.
GlusterFS and Quantum are certainly in the works, but in a separate
thread I'd love to hear feedback on the API what the issues/enhancements are.
Would you be able to post some initial comments on that?
APIs are great today on the backend, we are looking at the ability to
modify the front end so we can tie it into our portal allowing users to
manage their VMs seamless with the other services we offer.
<>
Nathan Stratton
nathan at robotics.net
http://www.robotics.net
9:47 a.m.
On 06/13/2012 10:28 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi everyone,
That is a grand subject for my first "proper" email to the Users list,
and it definitely needs some context! So let me introduce myself.
My name is Dave Neary, and I recently started working for a group
which is being formed inside Red Hat called OSAS (open source and
standards). The role of my group is to help make any open source
projects that Red Hat works in successful, and I would really like to
help take oVirt to the next level in terms of adoption and contribution.
One of the things I'm still figuring out is what the natural audience
for oVirt is, and what you all like about oVirt, and would like to see
improved. Based on that, I would like to propose areas we as a
community can concentrate on related to the product, the website, and
our marketing and promotion, but the first step is still to get a
better idea what the target audience for oVirt is, and should be.
So - how are you using oVirt?
Right now we are testing it. Running the engine in a
vmware guest and
have 2 servers to act as nodes. Looking at a way to replace VMware.
Why did you choose it over alternatives?
Open Stack requires
much larger clusters and is more cloud then data
center in it design. Most of the other projects I have looked at are
either designed to be AWS clones or designed for extreme flexibility
making then very hard to use (Open Nebula)
What do you like about it?
Web interface is simple and fairly
easy to work with. Has some really
nice feature built in like live migrations flexable in the hardware it
works with (Compared to Xen and it CPU must be almost exactly the same).
and what would you like to see change, whether that is in terms of
technical, process, or marketing changes?
I would like to see the project move away
from its RHEV/RHEL roots some
more.
Example:
When started a VM you have a choice of a dozen windows / rhel versions
and Other Linux NO choices for Fedora, CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian, or other
Linux based systems. It makes since for RHEV since those are the only
OS they official support but ovirt wants to run on other OS it should at
least start with something visiable like this.
The guest agent only exist for Windows, RHEL, Fedora, and CentOS
(Someone outside the project created). Where is the agents for Debian
based ones? Or even a list of requirement to build the agents? If it
exists someone please point me to it.
The really isn't a clear index on the wiki stuff is all over the place.
Features pages that are added when development starts but most of the
time no one updates them when the feature is implemented or changes are
commited.
I'm here to help, but to do so I need your help first!
Please feel free to reply to me on-list (if you'd like to start
discussion) or off-list (if you'd like your feedback to be more
discrete). Any feedback at all will be helpful.
Thank you very much - I look forward to hearing from as many of you as
possible.
Regards,
Dave.
PS. I'm still figuring out proper mailing list etiquette for this
project - I've added board@ and arch@ to CC since I expect our work to
have project-wide consequences, but it's more to keep people informed
at this point. Please let me know off-list if I'm doing something I
shouldn't!
Thanks
Robert
11:27 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Stratton" <nathan(a)robotics.net>
To: "Andrew Cathrow" <acathrow(a)redhat.com>
Cc: "arch" <arch(a)ovirt.org>, "Users" <users(a)ovirt.org>,
"board" <board(a)ovirt.org>, "Dave Neary"
<dneary(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:57:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Users] What are you looking for from oVirt?
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Andrew Cathrow wrote:
> What does your deployment look like - it's be great to understand
> how you're using it - eg. Linux guests only, Windows, size of
> deployment - do your users use poweruser portal etc.
I have 2 deployments I am working on with two different companies.
The first is two clusters (SJC and NYC) each with 20 boxes PXEBooted
to
a backend NetApp. All guests are Linux (Centos, RHEL, and Fedora).
One of
the unique things with the clusters is they use read only linux and
NFS
root.
The 2nd is still in design stage, but is starting out with 3 clusters
(East / West US and Europe) each with 20 boxes. Each server is based
on
white label Xeon E5-2687W, 128GB RAM, 10GBase-T, and 12 SATA disks on
a
hardware RAID 6 controller. This is also going to use shared NFS read
only
root with PXEBoot from NetApps.
I have been running GlusterFS on and off for 5 years and are looking
at
running GlusterFS on all the raw 300TB RAID6 in each server. Each
server
will be a brick, two servers with distribute for redundancy, 10
distribute pairs then will be unified. I have been trying to use this
for
raw image store for years, but its just not ready, so we will use
NetApp
for that, however GlusterFS will be very handy for tier 2 bulk
storage.
> GlusterFS and Quantum are certainly in the works, but in a separate
> thread I'd love to hear feedback on the API what the
> issues/enhancements are.
> Would you be able to post some initial comments on that?
APIs are great today on the backend, we are looking at the ability to
modify the front end so we can tie it into our portal allowing users
to
manage their VMs seamless with the other services we offer.
So are you looking to extend the power user portal or something more?
><>
Nathan Stratton
nathan at robotics.net
http://www.robotics.net
12:13 a.m.
Hi Dave, everyone
I have run a Web Hosting from 10 years ago.
I integrated the Web Hosting server with KVM 2 years ago.
I thought I tried to offer the VPS server which was rare in Japan,
using the remaining resources.
I am a server engineer, not a programmer.
Regrettably, VPS market has stabilized at a low price while I spent
much time in programming the "Administrator Portal" and "User
Portal".
However, the VPS and the cloud have restrictions even now.
* Can not use your favorite OS.(That can only be used a template)
* Can not strengthen by focusing on specific performance.
I want to provide services which improve this issue
I do not have money to buy expensive software, such as RHEV.
When I started to give up the dream, I found a oVirt.
Now, I am studying the feasibility of a dream by oVirt.
I hope to be able to concentrate on infrastructure design without
programming by oVirt
However I feel that there is not enough stability yet if VPS is
provided with oVirt version for now.
oVirt community has companies such as RedHat.
I believe that the operation of the oVirt will be stable in the
version of near future.
I was late in the VPS market.
I have "chagrin" in the VPS market.
I want to be a pioneer in Japan as that does not happen in oVirt.
Therefore, I forward preparing offers of VPS using oVirt in the fall.
I hope "the Japanese translation" and "stabilization" of oVirt than
new features.
thanks.
P.S.
I seek the formation of Japanese community in order to become one of
the pioneers.
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2012/6/13 Dave Neary <dneary(a)redhat.com>:
Hi everyone,
That is a grand subject for my first "proper" email to the Users list, and
it definitely needs some context! So let me introduce myself.
My name is Dave Neary, and I recently started working for a group which is
being formed inside Red Hat called OSAS (open source and standards). The
role of my group is to help make any open source projects that Red Hat works
in successful, and I would really like to help take oVirt to the next level
in terms of adoption and contribution.
One of the things I'm still figuring out is what the natural audience for
oVirt is, and what you all like about oVirt, and would like to see improved.
Based on that, I would like to propose areas we as a community can
concentrate on related to the product, the website, and our marketing and
promotion, but the first step is still to get a better idea what the target
audience for oVirt is, and should be.
So - how are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it over alternatives? What
do you like about it? and what would you like to see change, whether that is
in terms of technical, process, or marketing changes? I'm here to help, but
to do so I need your help first!
Please feel free to reply to me on-list (if you'd like to start discussion)
or off-list (if you'd like your feedback to be more discrete). Any feedback
at all will be helpful.
Thank you very much - I look forward to hearing from as many of you as
possible.
Regards,
Dave.
PS. I'm still figuring out proper mailing list etiquette for this project -
I've added board@ and arch@ to CC since I expect our work to have
project-wide consequences, but it's more to keep people informed at this
point. Please let me know off-list if I'm doing something I shouldn't!
--
Dave Neary
Community Action and Impact
Open Source and Standards Team, Red Hat
Phone: +33 9 50 71 55 62
_______________________________________________
Board mailing list
Board(a)ovirt.org
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board
3:23 a.m.
Hi,
On 06/13/2012 04:28 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
So - how are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it over
alternatives?
What do you like about it? and what would you like to see change,
whether that is in terms of technical, process, or marketing changes?
I'm here to help, but to do so I need your help first!
Thank you to all those who have replied, on and off list, so far. For
those of you who sent me private messages, I'll be (anonymously)
collating your feedback and forwarding it on.
The range of users who have replied so far includes:
* Sysadmin at small web hosting business
* Cost-sensitive IT department of an unrelated industry
* Hosting provider specialising in HA
* Running a private cloud
* Test lab set-up considering for production deployment
And the top features you've cited are:
* Stateless hypervisor
* Ability to migrate VMs
* RHEL and KVM
* Cost
* The ability to have your preferred OS as both hypervisor and guest as
a first class citizen
* Aimed for data center use-case rather than cloud
And the top gaps you've identified so far:
* Insufficient resources (docs) to help with production deployment on
ovirt.org
* Difficulty of configuration and getting started
* You'd like to see a more diverse contributor community
* Stability (unfortunately, I don't have any concrete examples of this
from the commenter)
* History on resource usage in hypervisors and guests
* Integration with Gluster
* Offer choices of guest agents with other distributions than RHEL
This is all giving me great insight into who's here - please keep it coming!
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Neary
Community Action and Impact
Open Source and Standards Team, Red Hat
Phone: +33 9 50 71 55 62
11:57 p.m.
On 06/15/2012 06:23 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi,
On 06/13/2012 04:28 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
> So - how are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it over alternatives?
> What do you like about it? and what would you like to see change,
> whether that is in terms of technical, process, or marketing changes?
> I'm here to help, but to do so I need your help first!
Thank you to all those who have replied, on and off list, so far. For
those of you who sent me private messages, I'll be (anonymously)
collating your feedback and forwarding it on.
The range of users who have replied so far includes:
* Sysadmin at small web hosting business
* Cost-sensitive IT department of an unrelated industry
That would be me.
* Hosting provider specialising in HA
* Running a private cloud
* Test lab set-up considering for production deployment
Well no one should be crazy
enough to go live with a product they
haven't at least ran inside a testing lab.
And the top features you've cited are:
* Stateless hypervisor
* Ability to migrate VMs
Number one reason I am working with oVirt
* RHEL and KVM
We are a debian based org so changing over to
the RHEL based OS's is
more a pain then a benefit. KVM is still kinda young compared to both
Xen / Vmware it seems to work well but there aren't as many os's covered
by the vitro drivers and there seem to be more bugs / race conditions
but that has been steadily changing as it has been getting more mature
* Cost
* The ability to have your preferred OS as both hypervisor and guest
as a first class citizen
* Aimed for data center use-case rather than cloud
This would be number 2 in the
list.
And the top gaps you've identified so far:
* Insufficient resources (docs) to help with production deployment on
ovirt.org
* Difficulty of configuration and getting started
* You'd like to see a more diverse contributor community
* Stability (unfortunately, I don't have any concrete examples of this
from the commenter)
* History on resource usage in hypervisors and guests
* Integration with Gluster
* Offer choices of guest agents with other distributions than RHEL
I could have created this list myself. I have hit pretty much every one
of these limits in the last few months working with the project. 3.1
adds limited support for Gluster and ovirt seems to be more stable
dispute F17 instability.
As for the question of stability the file storage system in 3.0 can be a
bit unstable. If your NFS share disappears for a few mins the file
system tends to go offline and wont reactivate. Not sure about iscsi or
FC since I don't have access to those file systems.
This is all giving me great insight into who's here - please keep
it
coming!
Cheers,
Dave.
12:19 p.m.
New subject: [Users] storage domain recovery (was What are you looking for from oVirt?)
On 06/28/2012 02:57 AM, Robert Middleswarth wrote:
As for the question of stability the file storage system in 3.0 can be a
bit unstable. If your NFS share disappears for a few mins the file
system tends to go offline and wont reactivate. Not sure about iscsi or
FC since I don't have access to those file systems.
3.1 adds distinction between a storage domain going down due to an error
or admin maintaining it.
in case of an error, there is a new recovery mechanism in 3.1 which
should improve this.
Itamar
1:07 p.m.
New subject: [Users] storage domain recovery (was What are you looking for from oVirt?)
On 06/28/2012 03:19 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 06/28/2012 02:57 AM, Robert Middleswarth wrote:
>
> As for the question of stability the file storage system in 3.0 can be a
> bit unstable. If your NFS share disappears for a few mins the file
> system tends to go offline and wont reactivate. Not sure about iscsi or
> FC since I don't have access to those file systems.
3.1 adds distinction between a storage domain going down due to an
error or admin maintaining it.
in case of an error, there is a new recovery mechanism in 3.1 which
should improve this.
Itamar
Very glad to her that.
Thanks
Robert
1:13 a.m.
Hello,
I don't run currently any oVirt deployement in production but I have a lab.
I used to run in production the old oVirt product (in rails).
My best wishes for the future release of oVirt are :
* GluserFS support as many of us
* Nova (OpenStack Hypervisor) driver support (
http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/selecting...
).
I choose oVirt because my first goal is to manage a virtualized datacenter
with OSS. But we begin to look at private cloud deployement.
I think Aeolus would work with oVirt virtualization backend but AFAIK it
only support redhat based linux which is not possible for us as we run
almost only debian server except for virtualisation layer. So we would like
to deploy OpenStack but to rely on oVirt for KVM hypervisors.
* Fully supported stateless ovirt-node
Regards,
Romain
2012/6/28 Robert Middleswarth <robert(a)middleswarth.net>
On 06/15/2012 06:23 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 06/13/2012 04:28 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
>
>> So - how are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it over alternatives?
>> What do you like about it? and what would you like to see change,
>> whether that is in terms of technical, process, or marketing changes?
>> I'm here to help, but to do so I need your help first!
>>
>
> Thank you to all those who have replied, on and off list, so far. For
> those of you who sent me private messages, I'll be (anonymously) collating
> your feedback and forwarding it on.
>
> The range of users who have replied so far includes:
> * Sysadmin at small web hosting business
> * Cost-sensitive IT department of an unrelated industry
>
That would be me.
* Hosting provider specialising in HA
> * Running a private cloud
> * Test lab set-up considering for production deployment
>
Well no one should be crazy enough to go live with a product they haven't
at least ran inside a testing lab.
> And the top features you've cited are:
> * Stateless hypervisor
> * Ability to migrate VMs
>
Number one reason I am working with oVirt
> * RHEL and KVM
>
We are a debian based org so changing over to the RHEL based OS's is more
a pain then a benefit. KVM is still kinda young compared to both Xen /
Vmware it seems to work well but there aren't as many os's covered by the
vitro drivers and there seem to be more bugs / race conditions but that has
been steadily changing as it has been getting more mature
* Cost
> * The ability to have your preferred OS as both hypervisor and guest as a
> first class citizen
> * Aimed for data center use-case rather than cloud
>
This would be number 2 in the list.
And the top gaps you've identified so far:
> * Insufficient resources (docs) to help with production deployment on
> ovirt.org
> * Difficulty of configuration and getting started
> * You'd like to see a more diverse contributor community
> * Stability (unfortunately, I don't have any concrete examples of this
> from the commenter)
> * History on resource usage in hypervisors and guests
> * Integration with Gluster
> * Offer choices of guest agents with other distributions than RHEL
>
> I could have created this list myself. I have hit pretty much every one
of these limits in the last few months working with the project. 3.1 adds
limited support for Gluster and ovirt seems to be more stable dispute F17
instability.
As for the question of stability the file storage system in 3.0 can be a
bit unstable. If your NFS share disappears for a few mins the file system
tends to go offline and wont reactivate. Not sure about iscsi or FC since
I don't have access to those file systems.
This is all giving me great insight into who's here - please keep it
> coming!
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
>
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8:15 a.m.
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012, Romain Vrignaud wrote:
Hello,
I don't run currently any oVirt deployement in production but I have a lab.
I used to run in production the old oVirt product (in rails).
My best wishes for the future release of oVirt are :
* GluserFS support as many of us
I must admit the first part of managing GlusterFS with 3.3 works very
well out of the box on oVirt 3.1.
Turn on GlusterFS in the cluster
Add your nodes
Manually add the peers in Gluster
Edit /etc/nfsmount.conf and set Defaultproto=tcp and Defaultvers=3
Create your gluster volume
Start the volume
Mount it in on one of your nodes in say /mnt
chown 36.36 /mnt
The only problem now is that you have to now use the volume as a NFS
server.
* Nova (OpenStack Hypervisor) driver support (
http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/selecting...
).
I choose oVirt because my first goal is to manage a virtualized datacenter
with OSS. But we begin to look at private cloud deployement.
I think Aeolus would work with oVirt virtualization backend but AFAIK it
only support redhat based linux which is not possible for us as we run
almost only debian server except for virtualisation layer. So we would like
to deploy OpenStack but to rely on oVirt for KVM hypervisors.
Been looking at openstack, but it still looks like a cobbled together mess
trying to serve all people right now to me.
* Fully supported stateless ovirt-node
I have a lab cluster running pxeboot read-only nfsroot with a lot of luck.
<>
Nathan Stratton
nathan at robotics.net
http://www.robotics.net
12:15 p.m.
On 06/29/2012 06:15 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
I must admit the first part of managing GlusterFS with 3.3 works
very
well out of the box on oVirt 3.1.
Turn on GlusterFS in the cluster
Add your nodes
Manually add the peers in Gluster
Edit /etc/nfsmount.conf and set Defaultproto=tcp and Defaultvers=3
Create your gluster volume
Start the volume
Mount it in on one of your nodes in say /mnt
chown 36.36 /mnt
The only problem now is that you have to now use the volume as a NFS
server.
why not as posixfs?
1:45 p.m.
On 06/29/2012 03:15 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 06/29/2012 06:15 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
> I must admit the first part of managing GlusterFS with 3.3 works very
> well out of the box on oVirt 3.1.
>
> Turn on GlusterFS in the cluster
> Add your nodes
> Manually add the peers in Gluster
> Edit /etc/nfsmount.conf and set Defaultproto=tcp and Defaultvers=3
> Create your gluster volume
> Start the volume
> Mount it in on one of your nodes in say /mnt
> chown 36.36 /mnt
>
> The only problem now is that you have to now use the volume as a NFS
> server.
why not as posixfs?
Because I helped him get it working and I was never able to get
posixfs
working but was able to get nfs working.
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New subject: [Users] gluster via posix fs (was What are you looking for from oVirt?)
On 06/29/2012 11:45 PM, Robert Middleswarth wrote:
On 06/29/2012 03:15 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> On 06/29/2012 06:15 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
>> I must admit the first part of managing GlusterFS with 3.3 works very
>> well out of the box on oVirt 3.1.
>>
>> Turn on GlusterFS in the cluster
>> Add your nodes
>> Manually add the peers in Gluster
>> Edit /etc/nfsmount.conf and set Defaultproto=tcp and Defaultvers=3
>> Create your gluster volume
>> Start the volume
>> Mount it in on one of your nodes in say /mnt
>> chown 36.36 /mnt
>>
>> The only problem now is that you have to now use the volume as a NFS
>> server.
>
> why not as posixfs?
Because I helped him get it working and I was never able to get posixfs
working but was able to get nfs working.
i have these steps courtesy of haim ateya worth trying:
* add new volume constructed from one brick
- volume name = myVol
- brick dir = /opt/myBrick
* start volume
- ssh to node
* chown -R vdsm:kvm /opt/myBrick
- using ovirt do the following):
* create new DC (Posix compliant FS)
* create new cluster
* add new host (virt)
* new domain dialog
- path = node:/myVol
- VFS Type = glusterfs
- Mount Options = vers=3
* if start vm failedt to selinux - disable SELINUX on host
you would need the newer kernel with direct_io iirc
2:09 p.m.
New subject: [Users] gluster via posix fs (was What are you looking for from oVirt?)
On 06/29/2012 04:57 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 06/29/2012 11:45 PM, Robert Middleswarth wrote:
> On 06/29/2012 03:15 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> On 06/29/2012 06:15 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
>>> I must admit the first part of managing GlusterFS with 3.3 works very
>>> well out of the box on oVirt 3.1.
>>>
>>> Turn on GlusterFS in the cluster
>>> Add your nodes
>>> Manually add the peers in Gluster
>>> Edit /etc/nfsmount.conf and set Defaultproto=tcp and Defaultvers=3
>>> Create your gluster volume
>>> Start the volume
>>> Mount it in on one of your nodes in say /mnt
>>> chown 36.36 /mnt
>>>
>>> The only problem now is that you have to now use the volume as a NFS
>>> server.
>>
>> why not as posixfs?
> Because I helped him get it working and I was never able to get posixfs
> working but was able to get nfs working.
i have these steps courtesy of haim ateya worth trying:
* add new volume constructed from one brick
- volume name = myVol
- brick dir = /opt/myBrick
* start volume
- ssh to node
* chown -R vdsm:kvm /opt/myBrick
- using ovirt do the following):
* create new DC (Posix compliant FS)
* create new cluster
* add new host (virt)
* new domain dialog
- path = node:/myVol
- VFS Type = glusterfs
- Mount Options = vers=3
* if start vm failedt to selinux - disable SELINUX on host
you would need the newer kernel with direct_io iirc
The mount options is useful to
know. I have moved over to centos 6.2
since F17 was freezing up on me every 10 to 12 hours.
I am guessing I will need to wait for CentOS 6.3 to get direct IO
support and hopefully live snapshots as well. I might test glusterfs as
well. PS I use localhost:/volumename for NFS.
Thanks
Robert
8:48 p.m.
New subject: [Users] gluster via posix fs (was What are you looking for from oVirt?)
On 06/29/2012 05:09 PM, Robert Middleswarth wrote:
On 06/29/2012 04:57 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> On 06/29/2012 11:45 PM, Robert Middleswarth wrote:
>> On 06/29/2012 03:15 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>> On 06/29/2012 06:15 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
>>>> I must admit the first part of managing GlusterFS with 3.3 works very
>>>> well out of the box on oVirt 3.1.
>>>>
>>>> Turn on GlusterFS in the cluster
>>>> Add your nodes
>>>> Manually add the peers in Gluster
>>>> Edit /etc/nfsmount.conf and set Defaultproto=tcp and Defaultvers=3
>>>> Create your gluster volume
>>>> Start the volume
>>>> Mount it in on one of your nodes in say /mnt
>>>> chown 36.36 /mnt
>>>>
>>>> The only problem now is that you have to now use the volume as a NFS
>>>> server.
>>>
>>> why not as posixfs?
>> Because I helped him get it working and I was never able to get posixfs
>> working but was able to get nfs working.
>
> i have these steps courtesy of haim ateya worth trying:
> * add new volume constructed from one brick
> - volume name = myVol
> - brick dir = /opt/myBrick
> * start volume
> - ssh to node
> * chown -R vdsm:kvm /opt/myBrick
> - using ovirt do the following):
> * create new DC (Posix compliant FS)
> * create new cluster
> * add new host (virt)
> * new domain dialog
> - path = node:/myVol
> - VFS Type = glusterfs
> - Mount Options = vers=3
> * if start vm failedt to selinux - disable SELINUX on host
>
> you would need the newer kernel with direct_io iirc
The mount options is useful to know. I have moved over to centos 6.2
since F17 was freezing up on me every 10 to 12 hours.
I am guessing I will need to wait for CentOS 6.3 to get direct IO
support and hopefully live snapshots as well. I might test glusterfs
as well. PS I use localhost:/volumename for NFS.
Thanks
Robert
For the record. This instructions worked also. Will make a note about
this as well.
Thanks
Robert
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<div>* GluserFS support as many of us</div><div>* Nova (OpenStack
Hyperviso=
r) driver support (<a href=3D"http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-com=
pute/admin/content/selecting-a-hypervisor.html"
target=3D"_blank">http://do=
cs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/selecting-a-hypervis=
or.html</a>).</div
<div>I choose oVirt because my first goal is to manage a virtualized datace=
nter with OSS. But we begin to look at private cloud deployement. </di=
v><div>I think Aeolus would work with oVirt virtualization backend but AFAI=
K it only support redhat based linux which is not possible for us as we run=
</div><div><br></div><div>Aelous has a RHEVM/oVirt driver
that works today.=
</div><div>If there are problems getting Aeolus working with oVirt we shoul=
d dig into it, there shouldn't be any
issues.</div><div><br></div
<div>almost only debian server except for virtualisation layer. So we would=
like to deploy OpenStack but to rely on oVirt for KVM hypervisors.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Out of interest what are you getting from OpenStack
that =
you don't get from oVirt</div><div><br></div><div>*
Fully supported statele=
ss ovirt-node</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div
<div><br></div><div>Romain</div><div><br><div
class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/6/=
28 Robert Middleswarth <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:robert@middl=
eswarth.net"
target=3D"_blank">robert(a)middleswarth.net</a>&gt;</span><br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"
<div class=3D"im">On 06/15/2012 06:23 AM, Dave Neary wrote:<br <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"
Hi,<br <br On
06/13/2012 04:28 PM, Dave Neary wrote:<br
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" So - how
are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it over alternatives?<br What do you like about it? and what would you like to see
change,<br whether that is in terms of
technical, process, or marketing changes?<br I'm
here to help, but to do so I need your help first!<br
</blockquote <br Thank you
to all those who have replied, on and off list, so far. For those=
of you who sent me private messages, I'll be (anonymously) collating your =
feedback and forwarding it on.<br
<br The range of users who have replied
so far includes:<br * Sysadmin at small web hosting
business<br * Cost-sensitive IT department of an
unrelated industry<br </blockquote></div That would be me.<div class=3D"im"><br <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" * Hosting
provider specialising in HA<br * Running a private cloud<br * Test lab set-up considering for production
deployment<br </blockquote></div Well no one should be crazy enough to go live with a product
they haven't a=
t least ran inside a testing lab.<div class=3D"im"><br <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"
<br And the top features you've
cited are:<br * Stateless hypervisor<br * Ability to migrate VMs<br
</blockquote></div Number one reason I am working with
oVirt<br <blockquote
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" * RHEL
and KVM<br </blockquote We are a debian based org so changing over to the RHEL based
OS's is more a=
pain then a benefit. KVM is still kinda young compared to both Xen /=
Vmware it seems to work well but there aren't as many os's covered by the =
vitro drivers and there seem to be more bugs / race conditions but that has=
been steadily changing as it has been getting more mature<div class=3D"im"=
<br <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" *
Cost<br * The ability to have your preferred
OS as both hypervisor and guest as a f=
irst class citizen<br * Aimed for data center use-case
rather than cloud<br </blockquote></div This would be number 2 in the list.<div
class=3D"im"><br <br
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" And the
top gaps you've identified so far:<br *
Insufficient resources (docs) to help with production deployment on <a hr=
ef=3D"http://ovirt.org"
target=3D"_blank">ovirt.org</a><br *
Difficulty of configuration and getting started<br *
You'd like to see a more diverse contributor community<br * Stability (unfortunately, I don't have any concrete
examples of this from=
the commenter)<br * History on resource usage in
hypervisors and guests<br * Integration with Gluster<br * Offer choices of guest agents with other distributions than
RHEL<br <br
</blockquote></div I could have created this list
myself. I have hit pretty much every o=
ne of these limits in the last few months working with the project. 3=
.1 adds limited support for Gluster and ovirt seems to be more stable dispu=
te F17 instability.<br
<br As for the question of stability the file storage system in 3.0
can be a bi=
t unstable. If your NFS share disappears for a few mins the fil=
e system tends to go offline and wont reactivate. Not sure about iscs=
i or FC since I don't have access to those file systems.<div class=3D"im HO=
EnZb"
<br <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" This is
all giving me great insight into who's here - please keep it coming=
!<br <br Cheers,<br Dave.<br
<br </blockquote <br <br></div><div
class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"
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From: "Romain Vrignaud" <rvrignaud(a)gmail.com To: "Dave Neary" <dneary(a)redhat.com>,
"arch" <arch(a)ovirt.org>,
"Users" <users(a)ovirt.org>, "board" <board(a)ovirt.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:13:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Users] What are you looking for from oVirt?
Hello,
I don't run currently any oVirt deployement in production but I
have
a lab.
I used to run in production the old oVirt product (in rails).
My best wishes for the future release of oVirt are :
* GluserFS support as many of us
* Nova (OpenStack Hypervisor) driver support (
http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/selecting...
).
I choose oVirt because my first goal is to manage a virtualized
datacenter with OSS. But we begin to look at private cloud
deployement.
I think Aeolus would work with oVirt virtualization backend but AFAIK
it only support redhat based linux which is not possible for us as
we run
Aelous has a RHEVM/oVirt driver that works today.
If there are problems getting Aeolus working with oVirt we should dig
into it, there shouldn't be any issues.
almost only debian server except for virtualisation layer. So we
would like to deploy OpenStack but to rely on oVirt for KVM
hypervisors.
Out of interest what are you getting from OpenStack that you
don't
get from oVirt
* Fully supported stateless ovirt-node
Regards,
Romain
2012/6/28 Robert Middleswarth < robert(a)middleswarth.net >
> On 06/15/2012 06:23 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> > On 06/13/2012 04:28 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
>
> > > So - how are you using oVirt? Why did you choose it
over
> > > alternatives?
> >
>
> > > What do you like about it? and what would you like to see
> > > change,
> >
>
> > > whether that is in terms of technical, process, or marketing
> > > changes?
> >
>
> > > I'm here to help, but to do so I need your help first!
> >
>
> > Thank you to all those who have replied, on and off list,
so far.
> > For
> > those of you who sent me private messages, I'll be (anonymously)
> > collating your feedback and forwarding it on.
>
> > The range of users who have replied so far includes:
>
> > * Sysadmin at small web hosting business
>
> > * Cost-sensitive IT department of an unrelated industry
>
> That would be me.
> > * Hosting provider specialising in HA
>
> > * Running a private cloud
>
> > * Test lab set-up considering for production deployment
>
> Well no one should be crazy enough to go live with a product
they
> haven't at least ran inside a testing lab.
> > And the top features you've cited are:
>
> > * Stateless hypervisor
>
> > * Ability to migrate VMs
>
> Number one reason I am working with oVirt
> > * RHEL and KVM
>
> We are a debian based org so changing over to the RHEL based
OS's
> is
> more a pain then a benefit. KVM is still kinda young compared to
> both Xen / Vmware it seems to work well but there aren't as many
> os's covered by the vitro drivers and there seem to be more bugs /
> race conditions but that has been steadily changing as it has been
> getting more mature
> > * Cost
>
> > * The ability to have your preferred OS as both hypervisor and
> > guest
> > as a first class citizen
>
> > * Aimed for data center use-case rather than cloud
>
> This would be number 2 in the list.
> > And the top gaps you've identified so far:
>
> > * Insufficient resources (docs) to help with production
> > deployment
> > on
> > ovirt.org
>
> > * Difficulty of configuration and getting started
>
> > * You'd like to see a more diverse contributor community
>
> > * Stability (unfortunately, I don't have any concrete examples of
> > this from the commenter)
>
> > * History on resource usage in hypervisors and guests
>
> > * Integration with Gluster
>
> > * Offer choices of guest agents with other distributions than
> > RHEL
>
> I could have created this list myself. I have hit pretty much
every
> one of these limits in the last few months working with the
> project.
> 3.1 adds limited support for Gluster and ovirt seems to be more
> stable dispute F17 instability.
> As for the question of stability the file storage system in 3.0
can
> be a bit unstable. If your NFS share disappears for a few mins the
> file system tends to go offline and wont reactivate. Not sure about
> iscsi or FC since I don't have access to those file systems.
> > This is all giving me great insight into who's here -
please keep
> > it
> > coming!
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Dave.
>
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> Users(a)ovirt.org
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