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Le 30/12/2016 =C3=A0 20:53, Dan Yasny a =C3=A9crit :
I personally found that she'll isn't as useful as the python
sdk. I=20
usually open up ipython, load the sdk and interact with ovirt=20
directly. This is faster and much more powerful than the shell could=20
ever be.
okay, I suppose you to be a regular python user. Can you imagine how=20
much time I spent just to understand how it works?
That is to say:
* installing pip and not pip3 because provided
python-ovirt-engine-sdk4 is default installed to /usr/lib64/python2.7=
,
* installing ipython,
* importing the good modules,
* finding pertinent examples,
* understand differences between sdk3 and 4
* correcting some wrong examples
* adapting example to my need?
I can't see how it can be fast for the newbie.
What's the first goal of a CLI? to abstract all this stuff for the=20
python newbie. If you want a easy-to-use webadmin for attracting a large=20
public, you should provide easy-to-use CLI as well. Ovirt-shell was a=20
part of my choice to use ovirt.
Yes we can learn to use SDK (I dit it), but I don't think a lot people=20
who chose ovirt for simplicity wll use it except advanced users.
A new time, thank you for the great stuff for the great oVirt project,=20
but I find there is too much distance between devs and users.
What do really think the community about this?
On Dec 30, 2016 11:22 AM, "Nathana=C3=ABl Blanchet" <blanchet(a)abes.fr=20
<mailto:blanchet@abes.fr>> wrote:
Interesting work and thank you for this stuff. I played with some
modules (ovirt_vms_facts) to get some vms name for example.
* [root@acore ovirt]# ansible-playbook All_Vms_list.yml
* with
- name: List vms
ovirt_vms_facts:
auth: "{{ ovirt_auth }}"
pattern: name=3Dtest_cloud
fetch_nested: true
nested_attributes: name
register: ovirt_vms
- shell: echo "{{ ovirt_vms.name <http://ovirt_vms.name> }}
> vms_name" // doesn't work
* - shell: echo "{{ ovirt_vms }} > vms_name // returns an
unicode json file, that's surely why we can't parse it. Can
you help me to solve this into the ovirt_vms_facts.py file?
* I have no such problem with ovirt_snaphots_module and I can
easily get the snaphot.id <http://snaphot.id> variable.... but:
o I had to manually copy the ovirt_snaphsots_module because
it is not present on the git tree. This is very curious:
we can find it here
http://ovirt-ansible-modules.readthedocs.io/en/latest/_modu=
les/ovirt_snapshots_module.htm
ules/ovirt_snapshots_module.htm>,
but it is not available on the main ansible git tre.
o On the doc, return values are not described
For the moment, my opinion is that ansible can't be as much
convinient as the current CLI, e.g. ovirt-shell -E "list vms", out
of the box. Is there a really reason to deprecate it?
Le 02/12/2016 =C3=A0 14:12, Ondra Machacek a =C3=A9crit :
> Hello all,
>
> I would like to kindly ask everyone who is Ansible or oVirt user f=
or
> testing of the new Ansible oVirt modules. For everyone who
is
> familiar
> with the Ansible and oVirt, this[1] describes the steps you need
> to do,
> to setup oVirt modules library and start using those modules
> (Most of those modules will be available in Ansible 2.3, some of
> them are already in 2.2).
>
> If you have any issue setting this up, please contact me, I will
> do the
> best to help you.
>
> If you have an issue, which you think is a bug, please open an iss=
ue
> here[2]. Please note that Ansible is merging it's
repositories,
> so since
> next week it will actually be stored here[3]. If you are missing
> anything please open an issue as well, or just contact me, and I
> will
> do fix it. You are also very welcome to sent PR with fixes.
>
> For those who don't have testing environment which can test agains=
t,
> I've created an Vagrant project which will deploy you the
oVirt
> instance
> using Ansible playbooks. You can find how to use it here[4].
>
> The repository also contains few examples[5], so you don't have to
> copy-paste them from the source.
>
> Thanks all for reading this and any feedback,
> Ondra
>
> [1] https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/releases/tag/0.1
> <https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/releases/tag/0.1>
> [2] https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-extras/issues
> <https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-extras/issues>
> [3] https://github.com/ansible/ansible
> <https://github.com/ansible/ansible>
> [4] https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests
> <https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests>
> [5]
> https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/tree/master/examples
> <https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/tree/master/examples=
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Le 30/12/2016 =C3=A0 20:53, Dan Yasny
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<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:CALLXwb69edHu7dJhf3cmXYkOHn9wAg-1OO99FZr6N820fHDR=3Dg@mail.gm=
ail.com"
type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"auto">I personally found that she'll isn't as
useful as
the python sdk. I usually open up ipython, load the sdk and
interact with ovirt directly. This is faster and much more
powerful than the shell could ever be. <br>
</div>
</blockquote>
okay, I suppose you to be a regular python user. Can you imagine how
much time I spent just to understand how it works? <br>
That is to say:<br>
<ul>
<li>installing pip and not pip3 because provided
python-ovirt-engine-sdk4 is default installed to
/usr/lib64/python2.7, <br>
</li>
<li>installing ipython, <br>
</li>
<li>importing the good modules, <br>
</li>
<li>finding pertinent examples, </li>
<li>understand differences between sdk3 and 4 </li>
<li>correcting some wrong examples</li>
<li>adapting example to my need?</li>
</ul>
I can't see how it can be fast for the newbie.<br>
What's the first goal of a CLI? to abstract all this stuff for the
python newbie. If you want a easy-to-use webadmin for attracting a
large public, you should provide easy-to-use CLI as well.
Ovirt-shell was a part of my choice to use ovirt.<br>
Yes we can learn to use SDK (I dit it), but I don't think a lot
people who chose ovirt for simplicity wll use it except advanced
users.<br>
A new time, thank you for the great stuff for the great oVirt
project, but I find there is too much distance between devs and
users.<br>
What do really think the community about this?<br>
<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:CALLXwb69edHu7dJhf3cmXYkOHn9wAg-1OO99FZr6N820fHDR=3Dg@mail.gm=
ail.com"
type=3D"cite">
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Dec 30, 2016 11:22 AM,
"Nathana=C3=AB=
l
Blanchet" <<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:blanchet@abes.fr">blanchet@abes.fr</a>>
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>Interesting work and thank you for this stuff. I played
with some modules (ovirt_vms_facts) to get some vms name
for example.<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>[root@acore ovirt]# ansible-playbook
All_Vms_list.yml =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 <br>
</li>
<li>with <br>
=C2=A0 - name: List vms<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ovirt_vms_facts:<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 auth: "{{ ovirt_auth }}"=
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 pattern: name=3Dtest_clo=
ud<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 fetch_nested: true<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 nested_attributes: name<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 register: ovirt_vms<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>
=C2=A0 - shell: echo "{{ <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"http://ovirt_vms.name"
target=3D"_blank">ovir=
t_vms.name</a>
}} > vms_name" // doesn't work</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>=C2=A0 - shell: echo "{{ ovirt_vms }} > vms_name /=
/
returns an unicode json file, that's surely why we
can't parse it. Can you help me to solve this into the
ovirt_vms_facts.py file?</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>I have no such problem with ovirt_snaphots_module
and I can easily get the <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"http://snaphot.id"
target=3D"_blank">snaphot.=
id</a>
variable.... but:</li>
<ul>
<li>I had to manually copy the ovirt_snaphsots_module
because it is not present on the git tree. This is
very curious: we can find it here
<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
class=3D"m_5747256721902447049moz-txt-link-freetext=
"
href=3D"http://ovirt-ansible-modules.readthedocs.io/en/latest/_modules/ov=
irt_snapshots_module.htm"
target=3D"_blank">http://ovirt-ansible-modules.<wbr=
readthedocs.io/en/latest/_<wbr>modules/ovirt_snapshots_<wbr>module.htm</=
a>,
but it is not available on the main ansible git tre.<=
/li>
<li>On the doc, return values are not described</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<p>For the moment, my opinion is that ansible can't be as
much convinient as the current CLI, e.g. ovirt-shell -E
"list vms", out of the box. Is there a really reason to
deprecate it?<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class=3D"m_5747256721902447049moz-cite-prefix">Le
02/12/2016 =C3=A0 14:12, Ondra Machacek a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0=
:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hello all, <br>
<br>
I would like to kindly ask everyone who is Ansible or
oVirt user for <br>
testing of the new Ansible oVirt modules. For everyone
who is familiar <br>
with the Ansible and oVirt, this[1] describes the steps
you need to do, <br>
to setup oVirt modules library and start using those
modules (Most of those modules will be available in
Ansible 2.3, some of them are already in 2.2). <br>
<br>
If you have any issue setting this up, please contact
me, I will do the <br>
best to help you. <br>
<br>
If you have an issue, which you think is a bug, please
open an issue <br>
here[2]. Please note that Ansible is merging it's
repositories, so since <br>
next week it will actually be stored here[3]. If you are
missing <br>
anything please open an issue as well, or just contact
me, and I will <br>
do fix it. You are also very welcome to sent PR with
fixes. <br>
<br>
For those who don't have testing environment which can
test against, <br>
I've created an Vagrant project which will deploy you
the oVirt instance <br>
using Ansible playbooks. You can find how to use it
here[4]. <br>
<br>
The repository also contains few examples[5], so you
don't have to <br>
copy-paste them from the source. <br>
<br>
Thanks all for reading this and any feedback, <br>
Ondra <br>
<br>
[1] <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
class=3D"m_5747256721902447049moz-txt-link-freetext"
href=3D"https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/re=
leases/tag/0.1"
target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/<wbr>machacekondra=
/ovirt-tests/<wbr>releases/tag/0.1</a>
<br>
[2] <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
class=3D"m_5747256721902447049moz-txt-link-freetext"
href=3D"https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-extr=
as/issues"
target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/ansible/<wbr>ansib=
le-modules-extras/issues</a>
<br>
[3] <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
class=3D"m_5747256721902447049moz-txt-link-freetext"
href=3D"https://github.com/ansible/ansible"
target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/ansible/<wbr>ansib=
le</a>
<br>
[4] <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
class=3D"m_5747256721902447049moz-txt-link-freetext"
href=3D"https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests"
target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/<wbr>machacekondra=
/ovirt-tests</a>
<br>
[5] <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
class=3D"m_5747256721902447049moz-txt-link-freetext"
href=3D"https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/tr=
ee/master/examples"
target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/<wbr>machacekondra=
/ovirt-tests/<wbr>tree/master/examples</a>
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Fax 33 (0)4 67 54 84 14
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