Re: [Engine-devel] Share Your Thoughts

On 03/23/2014 04:01 PM, Gilad Chaplik wrote: > > > Thanks, > Gilad. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: "Eli Mesika" <emesika(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Cc: "Gilad Chaplik" <gchaplik(a)redhat.com&gt;, "engine-devel" >> <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:35:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Share Your Thoughts >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Eli Mesika" <emesika(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> To: "Gilad Chaplik" <gchaplik(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >>> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:41:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Share Your Thoughts >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Eli Mesika" <emesika(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> To: "Gilad Chaplik" <gchaplik(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:36:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] Share Your Thoughts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gilad Chaplik" <gchaplik(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>> To: "engine-devel" <engine-devel(a)ovirt.org&gt; >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:06:01 PM >>>>> Subject: [Engine-devel] Share Your Thoughts >>>>> >>>>> Dear Devel Community Members, >>>>> >>>>> We are having a small discussion on patch: >>>>> http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/25633/, >>>>> bug 1065753 - "Maintenance operations on a VM would ask for an >>>>> optional >>>>> reason" (adding a note to stop/shutdown VM, that will be cleared >>>>> when >>>>> the >>>>> VM >>>>> go up). >>>>> >>>>> The proposed solution is to add a free text field in the VM >>>>> entity, and >>>>> to >>>>> update it in command's parameters (StopVmParmas.. etc.). >>>>> >>>>> I think slightly different, my alternative is to enhance the current >>>>> free >>>>> text (comment field) into XML, and allow to add multiple comments >>>>> that >>>>> include types. >>>>> You are welcome to read more about it in the patch's comments. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> I suggest a third approach >>>> We are logging here a reason for a user/admin operation >>>> The natural place for such information is the audit log and not >>>> the VM >>>> tables. >>>> I think that the audit log messages related for the stop/shutdown >>>> commands >>>> should be enhanced to include a {REASON} field then the command >>>> itself >>>> will >>>> replace this value in the message with the one given by the user >>>> and we >>>> are >>>> done. >>>> Again, the required information is a pure logging issue, therefor I >>>> suggest >>>> to put this information in the correct place for it, there is no >>>> point in >>>> saving any logging messages in any entity table. >>>> >>>> Technically: >>>> 1) The option for giving a reason should be configurable (per >>>> Cluster if >>>> I >>>> look at Arthur comment in the BZ) >>>> 2) If the option is on than any stop/shutdown will ask for reason and >>>> sent >>>> it >>>> in the command parameters >>> than=>then >>>> 3) If the command succeed and got a non-empty reason , it will set >>>> the >>>> reason >>>> in the command audit log message >>>> >>> >>> 4) We gain here additional advantage since we can : >>> a) search for the reason using the search engine >>> b) get the reason in the message text sent to us if we are >>> subscribed >>> for >>> the VM stop/shotdown event ans using engine-notifier >>> >>>> >>>> Eli >>>> >> >> +1 >> sounds like a good and simple idea >

> +1, BUT this is completely a different feature, and more difficult > (MUCH more, if I may add). > IMHO we need both, lets start with the no-brainer. AuditLog gets recycled after 30 days. the reason i stopped my VM may still be relevant. I would not make fields complex/composite. they need to be easily useable via the CLI for example.

> >> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Gilad. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Engine-devel mailing list >>>>> Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org >>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Engine-devel mailing list >>> Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Engine-devel mailing list > Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel > _______________________________________________ Engine-devel mailing list Engine-devel(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel