Hi, oVirt 3.6.1 RC4 included latest bits allowing to auto import Hosted Engine storage domain within the Engine. In order to have a wider coverage of the Hosted Engine workflow we've scheduled a Hosted Engine test day for next week on Monday, December 14th. Please join us testing Hosted Engine with oVirt 3.6.1 RC4, both on a clean install and on an upgrade from 3.5 flow.

Thanks, -- Sandro Bonazzola Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. See how it works at redhat.com _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Welcome to the Hosted Engine test day! You can find documentation about installing and upgrading Hosted Engine here: - http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto - http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine As part of the test day, fixing/updating documentation is greatly appreciated. -- Sandro Bonazzola

> Adding Fabian. You can use the released appliance but you'll need to manually update it. We have a nightly built appliance available in jenkins, waiting fabian for releasing it with RC4 rpms included. You can find an updated appliance here: http://jenkins.ovirt.org/job/ovirt-appliance_ovirt-3.6_build-artifacts-el...

> Looks like the job creating the appliance is missing the ovirt-3.6-pre repository. Please manually update the engine within the VM.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Gianluca Cecchi < gianluca.cecchi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Sandro Bonazzola <sbonazzo(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: > >> >> >>> >> Looks like the job creating the appliance is missing the ovirt-3.6-pre >> repository. >> Please manually update the engine within the VM. >> > > Ok, the update of the engine inside the appliance VM went smooth and now > I have in web admin portal: > Version 3.6.1.3-1.el7.centos > with my storage domain up and my ISO domain up. > And after update (also verified with a global restart) I verified I can > now indeed see the hosted_storage storage domain in status "Maintenance", > see screenshot: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwoPbcrMv8mvQTg2ZHRGeXRQWWs/view?usp=sha... > > What are now the steps in my case I should follow to activate it? > Simply right click on it and select "import", or what? > You should just activate it. Adding Roy, looks like this doesn't happen to me only.

> > Gianluca > > > -- Sandro Bonazzola Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. See how it works at redhat.com

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote: > >> >> You should just activate it. >> Adding Roy, looks like this doesn't happen to me only. >> >> > See *Bug 1290518* <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1290518> - > failed Activating hosted engine domain during auto-import on NFS > > I confirm that I hit the bug and I was able to simply activate the storage domain and able to see the engine vm Dec 14, 2015 4:22:23 PM Hosted Engine VM was imported successfully Dec 14, 2015 4:22:23 PM Starting to import Vm HostedEngine to Data Center Default, Cluster Default Dec 14, 2015 4:22:19 PM Storage Domain hosted_storage (Data Center Default) was activated by admin@internal NOTES: 1) I configured the engine vm as a vnc one during install (in 3.6.0, as the appliance was the 3.6.0 one as we noted) [ INFO ] Stage: Setup validation --== CONFIGURATION PREVIEW ==-- Bridge interface : eth0 Engine FQDN : shengine.localdomain.local Bridge name : ovirtmgmt SSH daemon port : 22 Firewall manager : iptables Gateway address : 192.168.122.1 Host name for web application : hosted_engine_1 Host ID : 1 Image size GB : 10 GlusterFS Share Name : hosted_engine_glusterfs GlusterFS Brick Provisioning : False Storage connection : ovc71.localdomain.local:/SHE_DOMAIN Console type : vnc Memory size MB : 8192 MAC address : 00:16:3e:72:e7:26 Boot type : disk Number of CPUs : 1 OVF archive (for disk boot) : /usr/share/ovirt-engine-appliance/ovirt-engine-appliance-3.6-20151211.1.el7.centos.ova Restart engine VM after engine-setup: True CPU Type : model_Nehalem Please confirm installation settings (Yes, No)[Yes]: but after import in 3.6.1 I see it configured as with spice console in web admin gui. I indeed am able to access it via spice, but just to notice that if one eventually would like to have it vnc, he/she has to edit the engine vm

after update to 3.6.1..... BTW: is it possible/supported to edit engine vm from the gui and change for example the console mode? yes, in 3.6.2

2) During setup, see above, it was configured with iptables as firewall manager During the update to 3.6.1 this was the workflow shown at video: [root@shengine ~]# engine-setup [ INFO ] Stage: Initializing [ INFO ] Stage: Environment setup Configuration files: ['/etc/ovirt-engine-setup.conf.d/10-packaging-jboss.conf', '/etc/ovirt-engine-setup.conf.d/10-packaging.conf', '/etc/ovirt-engine-setup.conf.d/20-setup-ovirt-post.conf'] Log file: /var/log/ovirt-engine/setup/ovirt-engine-setup-20151214134331-ga1lxy.log Version: otopi-1.4.0 (otopi-1.4.0-1.el7.centos) [ INFO ] Stage: Environment packages setup [ INFO ] Stage: Programs detection [ INFO ] Stage: Environment setup [ INFO ] Stage: Environment customization --== PRODUCT OPTIONS ==-- --== PACKAGES ==-- [ INFO ] Checking for product updates... Setup has found updates for some packages: PACKAGE: [updated] ovirt-engine-3.6.0.3-1.el7.centos.noarch ... PACKAGE: [update] ovirt-engine-wildfly-overlay-8.0.4-1.el7.noarch do you wish to update them now? (Yes, No) [Yes]: [ INFO ] Checking for an update for Setup... --== ALL IN ONE CONFIGURATION ==-- --== NETWORK CONFIGURATION ==-- Setup can automatically configure the firewall on this system. Note: automatic configuration of the firewall may overwrite current settings. Do you want Setup to configure the firewall? (Yes, No) [Yes]: [ INFO ] firewalld will be configured as firewall manager. So the former setup was with iptables durinh sh engine setup in 3.6.0 while then with firewalld in 3.6.1. In fact on the engine I see [root@shengine ~]# systemctl status iptables iptables.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) [root@shengine ~]# systemctl status firewalld firewalld.service - firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/firewalld.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Mon 2015-12-14 14:19:56 UTC; 1h 15min ago Main PID: 431 (firewalld) CGroup: /system.slice/firewalld.service └─431 /usr/bin/python -Es /usr/sbin/firewalld --nofork --nopid Dec 14 14:19:53 shengine.localdomain.local systemd[1]: Starting firewalld - dynamic firewall da..... Dec 14 14:19:56 shengine.localdomain.local systemd[1]: Started firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon. Hint: Some lines were ellipsized, use -l to show in full. Or is it the firewall manager asked during the initial hosted engine setup related to the host itself and not the engine vm perhaps???

Gianluca

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Sandro Bonazzola <sbonazzo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Hi, > oVirt 3.6.1 RC4 included latest bits allowing to auto import Hosted > Engine storage domain within the Engine. > In order to have a wider coverage of the Hosted Engine workflow we've > scheduled a Hosted Engine test day for next week > on Monday, December 14th. > Please join us testing Hosted Engine with oVirt 3.6.1 RC4, both on a > clean install and on an upgrade from 3.5 flow. > +1 Will at least do a clean install with nfs on monday.

Message: Host hosted_engine_1 does not comply with the cluster Default

2015-12-14 16:25:40,336 ERROR

Thanks, > -- > Sandro Bonazzola > Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. > See how it works at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > Roman

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Roman Mohr <rmohr(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Sandro Bonazzola <sbonazzo(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Hi, >> oVirt 3.6.1 RC4 included latest bits allowing to auto import Hosted >> Engine storage domain within the Engine. >> In order to have a wider coverage of the Hosted Engine workflow we've >> scheduled a Hosted Engine test day for next week >> on Monday, December 14th. >> Please join us testing Hosted Engine with oVirt 3.6.1 RC4, both on a >> clean install and on an upgrade from 3.5 flow. >> > > +1 > > Will at least do a clean install with nfs on monday. > The hosted-engine-setup part worked for me. But activating the host which was added by engine-setup failed. After the host was added to the cluster I saw that it was in 'Non Operational' state. Searching the logs I found > Message: Host hosted_engine_1 does not comply with the cluster Default emulated machines. The current cluster compatibility level supports [pc-i440fx-rhel7.2.0, pc-i440fx-2.1, pseries-rhel7.2.0] and the host emulated machines are pc-i440fx-rhel7.1.0,rhel6.3.0,pc-q35-rhel7.0.0,rhel6.1.0,rhel6.6.0, rhel6.2.0,pc,pc-q35-rhel7.1.0,q35,rhel6.4.0,rhel6.0.0,rhel6.5.0,pc-i440fx-rhel7.0.0.

the default cluster, the engine tried to activate the host but failed with the following SQL exception on the AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand: > 2015-12-14 16:25:40,336 ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.storage.AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand] (org.ovirt.thread.pool-8-thread-7) [789ca4b] Command 'org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.sto rage.AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand' failed: CallableStatementCallback; SQL [{call insertstorage_domain_static(?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?)}]; ERROR: null value in column "s torage" violates not-null constraint [...] Log is attached. I am using the following repo: http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/yum-repo/mirrorlist-ovirt-3.6-pre-el7 ovirt-engine version is 3.6.1.3-1.el7. > Thanks, >> -- >> Sandro Bonazzola >> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. >> See how it works at redhat.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> > > Roman > Best regards, Roman _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 8:19 PM, wodel youchi <wodel.youchi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hi, > > I redid a new deploy of hosted-engine setup: > - one hypervisor 8Gb > - NFS4 for storage: vm_engine + data + iso + export > - hosted-engine : 2Gb > - FC22 for both hypervior and the vm engine > - All OS updated > - I am using ovirt 3.6 pre + 3.6 snapshot > > Thanks so much in participating. > The installation went smoothly. > > +1 for Simone Sandro and Martin for that. After adding the first Data domain, the engine tried to import the > hosted-storage, but couldn't activate it > I detached the hosted-storage, then I removed it, the engine re-imported > it again, this time with success, I could activate it, and voila the VM > engine showed up on the webui..... but > > the activation is a known bug, see above. I couldn't edit the VM engine, I tried add a new nic card, when I click OK > to submit the change : > > First I got the error : Cannot set single display to non Linux operating > system. > the VM engine OS was set to OtherOS on webui, since there no FC22 on the > list, I selected Linux, the error disappeared, but then I got another error. > When I try to modify the engine's properties, I get "Cannot edit Virtual > Machine Disk, The VM is not managed by the engine" > > Our intention is first to support editing cpu type and memory. Adding nicks and disks will probably follow. What provisioning actions would you like to see enabled on your hosted engine VM? > Regards. > > > > <https://www.avast.com/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campa... Cet > e-mail a été envoyé depuis un ordinateur protégé par Avast. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campa... > <#151a1fbab5c4e6b4_151a1b85d06b32ca_DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > 2015-12-14 18:07 GMT+01:00 Roman Mohr <rmohr(a)redhat.com&gt;: > >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Roman Mohr <rmohr(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Sandro Bonazzola <sbonazzo(a)redhat.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> oVirt 3.6.1 RC4 included latest bits allowing to auto import Hosted >>>> Engine storage domain within the Engine. >>>> In order to have a wider coverage of the Hosted Engine workflow we've >>>> scheduled a Hosted Engine test day for next week >>>> on Monday, December 14th. >>>> Please join us testing Hosted Engine with oVirt 3.6.1 RC4, both on a >>>> clean install and on an upgrade from 3.5 flow. >>>> >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> Will at least do a clean install with nfs on monday. >>> >> >> >> The hosted-engine-setup part worked for me. But activating the host >> which was added by engine-setup failed. After the host was added to the >> cluster I saw that it was in 'Non Operational' state. >> Searching the logs I found >> >> > Message: Host hosted_engine_1 does not comply with the cluster Default >> emulated machines. The current cluster compatibility level supports >> [pc-i440fx-rhel7.2.0, pc-i440fx-2.1, pseries-rhel7.2.0] and the host >> emulated machines are >> pc-i440fx-rhel7.1.0,rhel6.3.0,pc-q35-rhel7.0.0,rhel6.1.0,rhel6.6.0, >> rhel6.2.0,pc,pc-q35-rhel7.1.0,q35,rhel6.4.0,rhel6.0.0,rhel6.5.0,pc-i440fx-rhel7.0.0. >> >> My host is RHEL 7.1. After I tried to klick 'Reset emulated machines' on >> the default cluster, the engine tried to activate the host but failed with >> the following SQL exception on the AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand: >> >> > 2015-12-14 16:25:40,336 ERROR >> [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.storage.AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand] >> (org.ovirt.thread.pool-8-thread-7) [789ca4b] Command >> 'org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.sto >> rage.AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand' failed: >> CallableStatementCallback; SQL [{call insertstorage_domain_static(?, ?, ?, >> ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?)}]; ERROR: null value in column "s torage" >> violates not-null constraint >> [...] >> >> Log is attached. >> >> I am using the following repo: >> http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/yum-repo/mirrorlist-ovirt-3.6-pre-el7 >> >> ovirt-engine version is 3.6.1.3-1.el7. >> >> >> >>> Thanks, >>>> -- >>>> Sandro Bonazzola >>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community >>>> collaboration. >>>> See how it works at redhat.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Devel mailing list >>>> Devel(a)ovirt.org >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >>>> >>> >>> Roman >>> >> >> Best regards, >> Roman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote: > >> >> You should just activate it. >> Adding Roy, looks like this doesn't happen to me only. >> >> > See *Bug 1290518* <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1290518> - > failed Activating hosted engine domain during auto-import on NFS > > I confirm that I hit the bug and I was able to simply activate the storage domain and able to see the engine vm Dec 14, 2015 4:22:23 PM Hosted Engine VM was imported successfully Dec 14, 2015 4:22:23 PM Starting to import Vm HostedEngine to Data Center Default, Cluster Default Dec 14, 2015 4:22:19 PM Storage Domain hosted_storage (Data Center Default) was activated by admin@internal NOTES: 1) I configured the engine vm as a vnc one during install (in 3.6.0, as the appliance was the 3.6.0 one as we noted) [ INFO ] Stage: Setup validation --== CONFIGURATION PREVIEW ==-- Bridge interface : eth0 Engine FQDN : shengine.localdomain.local Bridge name : ovirtmgmt SSH daemon port : 22 Firewall manager : iptables Gateway address : 192.168.122.1 Host name for web application : hosted_engine_1 Host ID : 1 Image size GB : 10 GlusterFS Share Name : hosted_engine_glusterfs GlusterFS Brick Provisioning : False Storage connection : ovc71.localdomain.local:/SHE_DOMAIN Console type : vnc Memory size MB : 8192 MAC address : 00:16:3e:72:e7:26 Boot type : disk Number of CPUs : 1 OVF archive (for disk boot) : /usr/share/ovirt-engine-appliance/ovirt-engine-appliance-3.6-20151211.1.el7.centos.ova Restart engine VM after engine-setup: True CPU Type : model_Nehalem Please confirm installation settings (Yes, No)[Yes]: but after import in 3.6.1 I see it configured as with spice console in web admin gui. I indeed am able to access it via spice, but just to notice that if one eventually would like to have it vnc, he/she has to edit the engine vm after update to 3.6.1..... BTW: is it possible/supported to edit engine vm from the gui and change for example the console mode? 2) During setup, see above, it was configured with iptables as firewall manager During the update to 3.6.1 this was the workflow shown at video: [root@shengine ~]# engine-setup [ INFO ] Stage: Initializing [ INFO ] Stage: Environment setup Configuration files: ['/etc/ovirt-engine-setup.conf.d/10-packaging-jboss.conf', '/etc/ovirt-engine-setup.conf.d/10-packaging.conf', '/etc/ovirt-engine-setup.conf.d/20-setup-ovirt-post.conf'] Log file: /var/log/ovirt-engine/setup/ovirt-engine-setup-20151214134331-ga1lxy.log Version: otopi-1.4.0 (otopi-1.4.0-1.el7.centos) [ INFO ] Stage: Environment packages setup [ INFO ] Stage: Programs detection [ INFO ] Stage: Environment setup [ INFO ] Stage: Environment customization --== PRODUCT OPTIONS ==-- --== PACKAGES ==-- [ INFO ] Checking for product updates... Setup has found updates for some packages: PACKAGE: [updated] ovirt-engine-3.6.0.3-1.el7.centos.noarch ... PACKAGE: [update] ovirt-engine-wildfly-overlay-8.0.4-1.el7.noarch do you wish to update them now? (Yes, No) [Yes]: [ INFO ] Checking for an update for Setup... --== ALL IN ONE CONFIGURATION ==-- --== NETWORK CONFIGURATION ==-- Setup can automatically configure the firewall on this system. Note: automatic configuration of the firewall may overwrite current settings. Do you want Setup to configure the firewall? (Yes, No) [Yes]: [ INFO ] firewalld will be configured as firewall manager. So the former setup was with iptables durinh sh engine setup in 3.6.0 while then with firewalld in 3.6.1. In fact on the engine I see [root@shengine ~]# systemctl status iptables iptables.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) [root@shengine ~]# systemctl status firewalld firewalld.service - firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/firewalld.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Mon 2015-12-14 14:19:56 UTC; 1h 15min ago Main PID: 431 (firewalld) CGroup: /system.slice/firewalld.service └─431 /usr/bin/python -Es /usr/sbin/firewalld --nofork --nopid Dec 14 14:19:53 shengine.localdomain.local systemd[1]: Starting firewalld - dynamic firewall da..... Dec 14 14:19:56 shengine.localdomain.local systemd[1]: Started firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon. Hint: Some lines were ellipsized, use -l to show in full. Or is it the firewall manager asked during the initial hosted engine setup related to the host itself and not the engine vm perhaps???

Gianluca

Hi, oVirt 3.6.1 RC4 included latest bits allowing to auto import Hosted Engine storage domain within the Engine. In order to have a wider coverage of the Hosted Engine workflow we've scheduled a Hosted Engine test day for next week on Monday, December 14th. Please join us testing Hosted Engine with oVirt 3.6.1 RC4, both on a clean install and on an upgrade from 3.5 flow. Thanks, -- Sandro Bonazzola Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. See how it works at redhat.com

Hello again, Here is another problem :-) today I tried to update my installation with the latest packages available, but after starting engine-setup I get this message : --== CONFIGURATION PREVIEW ==-- Default SAN wipe after delete : False Firewall manager : iptables Update Firewall : True Host FQDN : engine.domain.tld Upgrade packages : True Engine database secured connection : False Engine database host : localhost Engine database user name : engine Engine database name : engine Engine database port : 5432 Engine database host name validation : False Engine installation : True PKI organization : wodel.wd Configure VMConsole Proxy : True Engine Host FQDN : engine.domain.tld Configure WebSocket Proxy : True Please confirm installation settings (OK, Cancel) [OK]: [ INFO ] Cleaning async tasks and compensations The following system tasks have been found running in the system: The following commands have been found running in the system: The following compensations have been found running in the system: * org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.storage.AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand org.ovirt.engine.core.common.businessentities.StorageDomainStatic org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.storage.AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand org.ovirt.engine.core.common.businessentities.StorageDomainDynamic org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.storage.AddExistingFileStorageDomainCommand org.ovirt.engine.core.common.businessentities.StorageDomainDynamic Would you like to try to wait for that? (Answering "no" will stop the upgrade (Yes, No)* If I hit no, the setup is aborted, if I hit yes, the setup will wait forever, and Ctrl+C aborts the setup too. *Waiting for the completion of 3 running tasks during the next 20 seconds. Press Ctrl+C to interrupt.Waiting for the completion of 3 running tasks during the next 20 seconds. Press Ctrl+C to interrupt.Waiting for the completion of 3 running tasks during the next 20 seconds. Press Ctrl+C to interrupt.* On hypervisor, vdsClient does not show any task running *[root@server ~]# vdsClient -s 0 getAllTasksStatuses{'status': {'message': 'OK', 'code': 0}, 'allTasksStatus': {}}* I am stuck ...!!! Regards <https://www.avast.com/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campa... Cet e-mail a été envoyé depuis un ordinateur protégé par Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campa... <#151a6305d772671f_DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> 2015-12-15 11:21 GMT+01:00 Sandro Bonazzola <sbonazzo(a)redhat.com&gt;: > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Sandro Bonazzola <sbonazzo(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Hi, >> oVirt 3.6.1 RC4 included latest bits allowing to auto import Hosted >> Engine storage domain within the Engine. >> In order to have a wider coverage of the Hosted Engine workflow we've >> scheduled a Hosted Engine test day for next week >> on Monday, December 14th. >> Please join us testing Hosted Engine with oVirt 3.6.1 RC4, both on a >> clean install and on an upgrade from 3.5 flow. >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Sandro Bonazzola >> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. >> See how it works at redhat.com >> > > > Thanks everyone who joined the test day, your feedback is really > appreciated! > > > -- > Sandro Bonazzola > Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. > See how it works at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >