[Users] SSH MAC corrupt
by Gabi C
Hello!
1 engine running ovirt-engine-3.3.1-2.fc19.noarch, in virtual machine - on
esxi 5.5 host - when I try to add ovirt node hypervisor
3.0.3-1.1.fc19,after "setenforce 0" on node, of course, this fails with:
/var/log/secure
Dec 12 09:35:40 virtual4 sshd[3898]: Corrupted MAC on input.
Dec 12 09:35:40 virtual4 sshd[3898]: Disconnecting: Packet corrupt
Dec 12 09:35:40 virtual4 sshd[3898]: debug1: do_cleanup
Dec 12 09:35:40 virtual4 sshd[3898]: debug1: PAM: cleanup
Dec 12 09:35:40 virtual4 sshd[3898]: debug1: PAM: closing session
Dec 12 09:35:40 virtual4 sshd[3898]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed
for user root
Dec 12 09:35:40 virtual4 sshd[3898]: debug1: PAM: deleting credentials
Dec 12 09:35:40 virtual4 sshd[3898]: error: getsockname failed: Bad file
descriptor
and
/var/log/audit/audit.log
type=AVC msg=audit(1386840940.650:589): avc: denied { sigchld } for
pid=3898 comm="sshd" scontext=system_u:system_r:sshd_net_t:s0
tcontext=system_u:system_r:initrc_t:s0 tclass=process
type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1386840940.650:589): arch=c000003e syscall=61
success=yes exit=3899 a0=f3b a1=7fff76fe9ad0 a2=0 a3=0 items=0 ppid=3834
pid=3898 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0
fsgid=0 ses=4294967295 tty=(none) comm="sshd" exe="/usr/sbin/sshd"
subj=system_u:system_r:initrc_t:s0 key=(null)
............................
type=AVC msg=audit(1386840940.751:595): avc: denied { dyntransition }
for pid=3898 comm="sshd" scontext=system_u:system_r:initrc_t:s0
tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0 tclass=process
............
any ideea?
11 years
Re: [Users] oVirt 3.2.1 - VM in unknown status
by Chris Lau
*> Hi,
> I had a nfs storage problems and one of my VM's is now in unknown
> state. The VM is not attached to any host. The virsh tool shows that
> VM is not running now. Is there any way to bring that kind of VM back
> to life?
>
> Best regards,
> Piotr
>
Hi,
I found workaround for this situation. There is a possibility to change
the VM status manually in database:
update vm_dynamic set status=0 where
vm_guid='1d5342a3-9375-49c5-bf2a-2bd444d41d09';
@oVirt developers
It seems that in some situations, VM with'unknown' status has no chances
to change state. When all hosts in data center are up and the VM is not
attached to any host it's a dead end. In this particular situation oVirt
engine administrator can't perform any actions on "lost" VM. Is any way
to handle this case without database access?
Best regards,
Piotr*
Can you give me more information on how you're able to do this? I have
an issue now. My VMs show "Unknown" status, too.
If I give you remote access, can you change the status on the VMs for me?
Thanks,
Chris
11 years
[Users] Cannot change memory in template definition
by Karli Sjöberg
Hi!
I´m having a rather nasty issue. This is from engine.log:
2013-12-11 14:20:00,087 WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.job.ExecutionMessageDirector]
(ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-14) The message key UpdateVmTemplate is missing
from bundles/ExecutionMessages
2013-12-11 14:20:00,161 WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.UpdateVmTemplateCommand]
(ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-14) CanDoAction of action UpdateVmTemplate failed.
Reasons:VAR__ACTION__UPDATE,VAR__TYPE__VM_TEMPLATE,ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_ILLEGAL_MEMORY_SIZE,$minMemorySize 1024,$maxMemorySize 64000
ovirt-release-el6-8-1.noarch
ovirt-engine-setup-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-host-deploy-java-1.1.1-1.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-webadmin-portal-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-iso-uploader-3.3.1-1.el6.noarch
ovirt-host-deploy-1.1.1-1.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-dbscripts-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-backend-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-sdk-3.2.0.11-1.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-lib-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-image-uploader-3.3.1-1.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-userportal-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-cli-3.2.0.12-1.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-websocket-proxy-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-log-collector-3.3.1-1.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-restapi-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
ovirt-engine-tools-3.3.1-2.el6.noarch
I have a template for 2008R2 that has 512MB RAM defined and since
upgrading to 3.3, no one is able to create a new VM from the orderportal
i wrote because:
2013-12-11 12:53:08,330: Failed to create VM from Template:
status: 400
reason: Bad Request
detail: Cannot add VM. Illegal memory size is provided, size needs to be
between 1024 MB and 64000 MB.
Running a small 2008R2 VM with only 512MB RAM has never been an issue
before but now it apparently is.
What´s worst is that I can´t seem to change what´s defined inside the
template either. If I click for edit inside webadmin and try to change
memory from 512 to 1024, it still errors out the same way. I´ve tried to
change it to something else entirely but it errors out with the same
message regardless.
Where to start?
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11 years
[Users] Moving hosts to new Gluster cluster issues
by Pat Pierson
I am in the process of upgrading my cluster while at the same time moving
to gluster. My engine is version 3.3.1 and I have a NFS cluster running in
3.1 compatibility mode that I am moving to a 3.3 GlusterFS cluster. Host3
runs the engine and is on the NFS cluster while host2 is running a single
brick gluster volume and a few vms on the Gluster cluster. Host1 is the
machine I am trying to move from the NFS cluster to the Gluster cluster.
Host1 is upgraded to the latest vdsm/gluster/etc (done via the host
re-install option in the UI while in maintenance mode). I attempt to
change the datacenter/cluster on the host edit page and after I press OK I
get the following error in the UI: "Error while executing action
ChangeVDSCluster: Network error during communication with the Host." I
have checked all IPs and DNS resolutions and even went so far to disable
iptables on all of the hosts to make sure I don't have any firewall
issues. Host1/2 is running latest centos 6.5 and Host3 is slightly behind
on centos 6.4.
While attempting to make the change I have tailed the engine.log and it is
in the following pastebin http://pastebin.com/1yaK4vYt.
Any help would be great. I just need a direction to look in.
--
Patrick Pierson
11 years
Re: [Users] Host offline due to storage error
by Vered Volansky
Adding the list, my bad.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Mordey" <ian.mordey(a)wandisco.com>
> To: "Vered Volansky" <vered(a)redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:11:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Host offline due to storage error
>
> I've attached the whole of /var/log/ovirt-engine and the vdsm.log from one
> of the nodes. This is a CentOS6 manager box and F19 nodes.
>
> Please let me know if you need more info.
>
> Thanks!
> Ian
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Vered Volansky <vered(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ian,
> >
> > Would you please send full logs?
> > Also - Is there a point in time during this process when the Storage
> > Domain is active?
> >
> > Regards,
> > vered
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ian Mordey" <ian.mordey(a)wandisco.com>
> > > To: users(a)ovirt.org
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:48:11 PM
> > > Subject: [Users] Host offline due to storage error
> > >
> > > Hi there
> > > I've got a 3 node oVirt 3.3.1 setup connecting to an Equallogic iSCSI SAN
> > > array. My nodes keep going offline with these errors:
> > > Host reports about one of the Active Storage Domains as Problematic.
> > > Host cannot access one of the Storage Domains attached to the Data Center
> > > <DC> Setting Host state to Non-Operational
> > >
> > > The host is then fenced, reboots and comes back up normally.
> > >
> > > I see some of these errors prior to the event:
> > > 2013-12-10 13:36:49,442 ERROR
> > > [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.vdsbroker.ListVDSCommand]
> > > (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-14) Command ListVDS execution failed.
> > > Exception: VDSNetworkException: java.net.ConnectException: Connection
> > > refused
> > > 2013-12-10 13:36:49,448 WARN
> > [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsManager]
> > > (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-14) Failed to refresh VDS , vds =
> > > 7f74b28a-149a-4f87-9689-b23db6d435f7 : <hostname> , VDS Network Error,
> > > continuing.
> > > 2013-12-10 13:36:52,490 ERROR
> > > [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.vdsbroker.GetCapabilitiesVDSCommand]
> > > (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-59) Command GetCapabilitiesVDS execution
> > > failed. Exception: VDSNetworkException: java.net.ConnectException:
> > > Connection refused
> > >
> > > Any ideas where to look? I can't see any errors on the switches or SAN..
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Ian
> > >
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11 years
[Users] Virtio NIC in Windows failing at boot
by Allen Belletti
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Hi All,
Ever since moving from oVirt 3.1 (with Fedora image-based nodes) to oVirt 3=
.3 (and now 3.3.1) with CentOS 6.4 (now 6.5) nodes, I've been having a seri=
ous problem with our Windows guests. To my knowledge, none of the Linux gu=
ests have ever been affected.
The problem appears when a Windows guest is rebooted. Occasionally this ha=
ppens during maintenance work but more often as a result of Microsoft updat=
es which require a reboot. The most recent batch of these that we allowed =
resulted in something like 35 of 40 Windows guests losing networking.
What we see is that the VirtIO Ethernet Adapter is enabled but shows no evi=
dence of actually being connected to the network. The MAC never appears in=
our switches, etc. The solution is to connect to the guest via console an=
d manually disable, then enable, the NIC. Problem solved.
I've found at least two other references to this issue:
http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/11160-Windows-2008-R2-Server-Standard-Edit=
ion-VIRTIO-NIC-Drivers-dont-work-on-boot (exactly our issue)
http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/16550-Windows-server-2012-blue-screen-virt=
io-win-ethernet-card (similar, though we never see a crash)
Needless to say, this is super annoying. Right now it seems my options see=
m to be:
1. Implement a script to reset the NIC as suggested in the first link.
2. Revert to e1000 but not sure how much that will hurt performance and/or=
whether it will limit us to 1 Gbps throughput.
Has anyone experienced this? Would I likely have better luck on the VirtIO=
list? We've been running VirtIO Ethernet 61.63.103.3000 from virtio-win-0=
.1-65.iso but I just now found 61.65.104.7400 included in virtio-win-0.1-74=
.iso. Perhaps that will help although I don't see anything relevant in the=
changelog.
Thanks,
Allen Belletti
AVP Ed. Tech Engineering Innovation
Georgia Gwinnett College
678-407-5093
www.ggc.edu
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<p>Hi All, </p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Ever since moving from oVirt 3.1 (with Fedora image-based nodes) to oVir=
t 3.3 (and now 3.3.1) with CentOS 6.4 (now 6.5) nodes, I've been having a s=
erious problem with our Windows guests. To my knowledge, none of the =
Linux guests have ever been affected.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The problem appears when a Windows guest is rebooted. Occasionally=
this happens during maintenance work but more often as a result of Microso=
ft updates which require a reboot. The most recent batch of these tha=
t we allowed resulted in something like 35
of 40 Windows guests losing networking.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>What we see is that the VirtIO Ethernet Adapter is enabled but shows no =
evidence of actually being connected to the network. The MAC never ap=
pears in our switches, etc. The solution is to connect to the guest v=
ia console and manually disable, then enable,
the NIC. Problem solved.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I've found at least two other references to this issue:</p>
<p><a href=3D"http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/11160-Windows-2008-R2-Server=
-Standard-Edition-VIRTIO-NIC-Drivers-dont-work-on-boot" target=3D"_blank" t=
itle=3D"http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/11160-Windows-2008-R2-Server-Stand=
ard-Edition-VIRTIO-NIC-Drivers-dont-work-on-boot
Ctrl+click or tap to follow link">http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/1116=
0-Windows-2008-R2-Server-Standard-Edition-VIRTIO-NIC-Drivers-dont-work-on-b=
oot</a> (exactly
our issue)</p>
<p><a href=3D"http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/16550-Windows-server-2012-bl=
ue-screen-virtio-win-ethernet-card" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"http://forum=
.proxmox.com/threads/16550-Windows-server-2012-blue-screen-virtio-win-ether=
net-card
Ctrl+click or tap to follow link">http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/1655=
0-Windows-server-2012-blue-screen-virtio-win-ethernet-card</a> (simila=
r,
though we never see a crash)</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Needless to say, this is super annoying. Right now it seems my opt=
ions seem to be:</p>
<p>1. Implement a script to reset the NIC as suggested in the first l=
ink.</p>
<p>2. Revert to e1000 but not sure how much that will hurt performanc=
e and/or whether it will limit us to 1 Gbps throughput.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Has anyone experienced this? Woul=
d I likely have better luck on the VirtIO list? We've been running Vi=
rtIO Ethernet 61.63.103.3000 from virtio-win-0.1-65.iso but I just now foun=
d 61.65.104.7400 included in virtio-win-0.1-74.iso.
Perhaps that will help although I don't see anything relevant in the=
changelog.</span></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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n style=3D"font-size:11pt">678-407-5093</span></font></div>
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11 years
Re: [Users] moving ovirt controller
by Vered Volansky
Hi Rob,
Did you try to upgrade the DB?
Restoring it is only the beginning. Like I said before, under the engine, under packaging/dbscripts, run upgrade.sh .
I'm also trying to get another eye on this, will update.
Regards,
Vered
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Abshear" <rabshear(a)citytwist.net>
> To: "Vered Volansky" <vered(a)redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:43:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Users] moving ovirt controller
>
> I just want to move the current controller to new hardware. That is my
> goal. My issue, if I may re-explain it, is that the package versions on
> the current controller are older than those on the new controller. The
> research I have done regarding migrating a controller is that the
> package versions must be the same in order for the database to migrate
> correctly. I have attempted to backup the database and restore it with
> the version differences, and it does restore, but the web interface is
> blank. Maybe I'm just missing something. I have been following the
> instructions at this URL:
> http://www.ovirt.org/User:Adrian15/oVirt_engine_migration
> <http://www.ovirt.org/User:Adrian15/oVirt_engine_migration#Original_packag...>
>
>
> On 12/11/2013 07:36 AM, Vered Volansky wrote:
> > Ohad, can you have a look?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Vered Volansky" <vered(a)redhat.com>
> >> To: "Rob Abshear" <rabshear(a)citytwist.net>
> >> Cc: users(a)ovirt.org
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:31:10 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Users] moving ovirt controller
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what is it that you'd like to accomplish.
> >> You mention a DB and then packaging.
> >> Do you just want the current DB working in the new server?
> >> If so just restore it and upgrade (packaging/dbscripts/upgrade.sh).
> >>
> >> In case this is not what you mean, maybe another eye on this would help,
> >> Ohad?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Rob Abshear" <rabshear(a)citytwist.net>
> >>> To: users(a)ovirt.org
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:54:47 AM
> >>> Subject: [Users] moving ovirt controller
> >>>
> >>> I am running
> >>> ovirt-engine-3.4.0-0.2.master.20131107144332.git214186b.fc18.noarch on a
> >>> server and I want to move it to another physical server. I did a fresh
> >>> install on the new server and it is running
> >>> ovirt-engine-3.4.0-0.2.master.20131119150718.git949cac2.fc18.noarch. I
> >>> want to migrate the database from the old server to the new server. How
> >>> can I upgrade the old server so that the package versions match the new
> >>> server? Or, how can I downgrade the new server so that the packages
> >>> match the old server?
> >>>
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> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Users(a)ovirt.org
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11 years
[Users] Ovirt Engine Memory usage going crazy since 3.3 Upgrade
by squadra
Hi,
i upgraded my Ovirt 3.2 a few days ago, with 3.2 memory usage was within a
level i rated as normal (~3gb mem used, for controlling 6 nodes with about
30 vm on them). after 3.3.1 upgrade, the engine goes crazy and uses about
3x of memory after some hours. right after starting ovirt-engine,
everything is fine, after about 20hrs the host starts swapping etc
heres the process in "crazy state"
ovirt 8749 107 59.2 10592340 4776040 ? Sl Dec10 2189:35
ovirt-engine -server -XX:+TieredCompilation -Xms1g -Xmx1g -XX:PermSize=256m
-XX:MaxPermSize=256m -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
-Dsun.rmi.dgc.client.gcInterva
here right now after a restart
ovirt 28350 43.7 8.7 3895304 705964 ? Sl 07:09 1:09
ovirt-engine -server -XX:+TieredCompilation -Xms1g -Xmx1g -XX:PermSize=256m
-XX:MaxPermSize=256m -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
-Dsun.rmi.dgc.client.gcInterval
also, the webinterface is getting really laggy after a few hours of runtime
(already before the host starts swapping).
anyone got an idea what is causing this? which logs should i provide to dig
further into this?
thanks & cheers,
Juergen
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11 years
