Re: Adding a project to oVirt
by Doron Fediuck
On Tuesday 13 September 2011 18:45:32 Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/13/2011 10:23 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
> > On Tuesday 13 September 2011 17:11:47 Doron Fediuck wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 13 September 2011 11:24:16 Itamar Heim wrote:
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: project-planning-bounces(a)ovirt.org
> >>> [mailto:project-planning-bounces@ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> >>>> Trieloff
> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 22:30 PM
> >>>> To: project-planning(a)ovirt.org
> >>>> Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> >>>> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
> >>>> take a look.
> >>>>
> >>>> Itamar, please review the two project rules.
> >>> Looks ok to me, my concerns are on the rules implied by this, but that's
> >>> on another thread.
> >>> Cc'ing more reviewers
> >>>
> >> The API restriction may be too much.
> >> Assuming engine is RHEV-M, important projects similar to KSM[1]
> >> will not be a part of oVirt, and we may end up loosing important innovations.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure RHEV-M (engine) is fully equivalent to eclipse, and therefore
> >> the API rule may harm us.
> >>
> >> As I see it, either we define oVirt umbrella as an union model (rings around
> >> rhev-m), and acknowledge the fact we'll be loosing projects, or use an eco-environment
> >> for visualization, by restricting the API rule to engin-related project, and
> >> accepting other project which will commit to the other eco-system rule(s).
> >>
> > Sorry for mail my previous typo's (visualization -> virtualization, engin->engine, etc).
> >
> > One more thing I left out;
> > What I'm missing in this document is a review process to a new project.
> > IE- Do we accept any new project or do we have some minimal 'due diligence'
> > of the project.
> >
> > For example;
> > - Who owns it?
> > - Is there some commitment behind it, or is it a 'one man show'?
> > - Does is have a malicious potential?
> >
> > These are all examples I hope we won't need to face.
> > I think it should be considered and added into the document, if you feel the same.
> >
>
> I've added this
>
> In addition the board my vote to include additional projects that are
> complementary to the oVirt eco-system on a case by case basis.
>
> Carl.
>
>
ACK with the following minor fix:
my=> may
--
/d
"Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?"
13 years, 3 months
Materials for going public with invitations
by Carl Trieloff
Please review the deck. Fire comments back referencing to slide number.
All comments welcome
Also, any additional questions we may want to add to the Q&A.
Jon has affered to help draft the invitation mail, thx Jon. Fire it out
for review whenever you are happy with it in basic form. We can plug the
location logistics in when they are final
Please keep the material confidential until we have reviewed it and are
ready to go in ~10 days time
regards,
Carl.
13 years, 3 months
Workshop Invite - please provide feedback
by Benedict, Jon
Hi all,
I¹ve had a few passes at the Workshop Invite, with some good feedback from
Carl. I¹d like to share the latest version with all of you in hopes that
you will provide additional feedback. Here is the current draft:
Would you like to support an Open Source project that affects all aspects of
the KVM hypervisor?
Are you interested in helping to develop or influence the next generation of
Open Source management tools for virtualization?
Do you have the desire to grow the ecosystem around KVM in order to help
drive its adoption?
Do you have skills around organizing or writing that you would like to lend
to an Open Source project?
Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?
If you answered ³yes² to any of the above questions, then you are invited to
attend the official launch of "oVirt" - the Open Virtualization Management
Platform project, in (CITY, STATE,COUNTRY). The project will kickoff with a
workshop meeting during (DATES), and is open to all who want to develop, QA,
use, get involved or learn about the comprehensive open virtualization
management platform.
The sessions will cover the technical sub-projects, governance, getting
involved, usage and much more. Full GIT repos (source), site, forums will
also be launched at the event.
If you have any interest in an Open Virtualization Management platform you
need to be there! This workshop will officially launch the oVirt project.
Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, SuSe and other inaugural members of the
oVirt team invite you to the launch of this truly open project; the workshop
and project is open to any individual, non-corporate, or corporate. Please
don¹t pass up on this opportunity to help foster, develop, organize, or
influence the future of the Open Virtualization management project.
Please RSVP by November 1st to rsvp(a)ovirt.org
For more information www.ovirt.org/workshop <http://www.ovirt.org/workshop>
Thanks,
oVirt
-
When: (DATES)
Where: (LOCATION)
Local Hotels: (LIST)
RSVP: rsvp(a)ovirt.org
Coordinators: rbergeron(a)redhat.com
Thanks,
Jon Benedict
Technical Marketing Engineer
Virtualization & Cloud
NetApp
919.476.5093 Direct
919.757.7789 Mobile
Jon.Benedict(a)netapp.com
www.netapp.com
13 years, 3 months
names of individuals for initial oVirt board
by Carl Trieloff
I started updating the document from our side, in that regard I would
like companies to start to work out who is going to be on the board from
each org. Good selections would be someone that can be hands on, from a
tech or community perspective in and helping drive oVirt from aspect
from releases, outreach, impl etc. Note that we will run pretty open
board meetings so it does not mean that only that person can attend, but
we do need to get the initial named set.
For those that know him, for reference Chris Wright will be on in that
role for Red Hat.
If you need to discuss, give me a shout.
kind regards
Carl.
13 years, 3 months
oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
by Robyn Bergeron
oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am US
Pacific)
== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning(a)ovirt.org list subscribers
Robyn Bergeron - Red Hat
Jon Benedict - NetApp
Carl Trieloff - Red Hat
Itamar Heim - Red Hat
Dave Stewart - Intel
Kyle Mestery - Cisco
Perry Myers - Red Hat
Frank Novak - IBM
Karsten Wade - Red Hat
Tony Gargya - IBM
== Project Schedule ==
* Confirm initial project invites by September 14
* Website Launch - September
* oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th)
* Community startup @ workshop
* Press release post-workshop
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need list)
* Governance
* How to get involved
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November
(need list)
* Source code release
* ??
* First release - January/February.
== Working Shared Document ==
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
== This Week's Action Items ==
* Owners to follow up on confirmations with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html).
* Mike/Ryan of IBM, possibly Carl, to follow up on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) status.
* Carl to update list with: (a) Updated briefing deck, (b) draft
invitation letter
* Robyn to update agenda for next week with time dedicated to review
of deck, invitation letter
* Dave Stewart to check with Intel on possibility of hosting space
* Kyle Mestery to check with Cisco on possibility of hosting space
* Carl to follow up with IBM on possibility of hosting space
* Karsten to continue with infrastructure work, will be pushing
updates to mailing list.
* Itamar to continue working of naming of projects that will be pushed
to the website, and send out an update of that list in the next few days.
* Karsten to continue with website work
== Agenda ==
1) Board invites, status
* New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
* Confirmed but additional follow-up
* Intel (additional contacts) (Mike Day)
* New Dates
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
* Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back
* IBM - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)? Haven't heard from Dan/Mike on that - no new news.
2) Project launch status
* Need bullet list of remaining tasks before announcement date,
schedule. See below.
* Light Schedule additions listed in google doc:
* Working on generic deck - taking info from briefing deck, updating
it for a general briefing invitation - can be sent out to anyone or used
at any event. ACTION - Carl to update mailing list.
* Carl is also working on draft invitation email, hopes to have that
sent to planning list by end of the week, looking for feedback. ACTION -
Carlto update mailing list.
* Thinking September 19th, or 15th for sending an invite- want to
spend chunk of meeting next week to make sure everyone is okay with
invite. ACTION - robyn update next week's agenda with review time.
* Working of website - need to have website worked up enough to
explain what event is looking like, what the event is, what the project
is about, how to RSVP, etc. Karsten is driving.
* 3 critical things to have done to start invites - updated deck,
general email, basic update/refresh of website.
* Carl to send first draft out of information. Don't need to dive
into governance - just cover licensing, more info at launch event.
* Actual launch dates:
* Originally - week of october 21, week of nov. 14
* Feeling maybe previous week in November - week of Nov. 7.
* May be problematic for RHT engineering
* Better to do a NA/California location for initial workshop launch
* Can use events like linuxcon, etc. to plug workshop
* CA should be a good locatoin for a first initial audience
* Jon Benedict - where are most of our attendees?
* Need to do something in US and Europe - most companies are on
international travel. Do a US launch at a major airport - CA, Chicago,
Dallas.
* We're all most likely to be travelling, regardless.
* Much more travel for the Israeli team.
* Hosting facilities in CA - IBM has previously volunteered, Intel
possibly, Cisco?
* Dave Stewart - Intel is a possibility (notes he may want to meet
offline with Carl to get up to speed as well). ACTION: Dave to look into
possibility of Intel hosting.
* Cisco -ACTION: Kyle Mestery to look into possibility of hosting.
* Over next week: Plan for feedback on-list, next call - editing
invite, deck.
* Logistically would be nice if we can get a preview of initial site
for review before publishing. Karsten to follow up.
* Website Launch - Karsten has contacted oVirt people who have been
doing infrastructure work.
* Will cut-over be to public info for workshop? Or will we update
the whole site generally with forums, etc. on date of workshop?
* One option - just have ovirt node info, other info private until
cut-over
* Perry has no issues with wiping existing website and taking
content to a new subproject.
* Karsten working on getting new pieces set up.
* Karsten planning on working with what exists, standard HTML,
adding a wiki in.
* Need to have website in line by 19th or 15th, whichever date the
letter goes out on.
* Karsten welcome to have help, will be pushing things to mailing list.
3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
* Settle date/location
* Looks to be possibly California, Bay Area, week of Nov. 7.
* Next Steps
* See above in notes - need updated deck, invite, website refresh.
* Need confirmation of location. Wait to hear back from potential
facilities.
* Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list
*
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
4) Updated Slide Deck Status (Andy)
* Carl is updating
5) Positioning/Differentiation Points (Karsten)
* Need to add to updated slide deck
* Not addressed this week in meeting
6) Governance Docs (Carl)
* Carl holding on this until he gets the invitation material together.
Welcome to have someone else draft these, or he'll start next week.
* What are we working from? Carl: will be working from deck, will
essentially borrowing from apache, gnome docs, etc. Should be able to
quickly assemble from public and reusable existing docs.
7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
* Itamar is sorting out naming of projects coming from the RHT side,
should see a mail or doc update later today.
* Can get public infrastructure on BZ/mailing lists. Need names, etc.
Need a consistent set of names being used.
8) Other updates:
* If any other board-level orgs want to invite - just send Carl a mail.
* Coordination of workshop - Robyn, Karsten. Carl to follow up with
IBM, Cisco, Intel in bay area.
* Kyle can talk to Cisco about possible hosting.
13 years, 3 months
oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
by Robyn Bergeron
oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes
Wednesday, Aug 31 2011, 17:30 UTC (1:30pm US Eastern, 10:30am US Pacific)
NOTE: Meeting moves next week, details in minutes below.
== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning(a)ovirt.org list subscribers
Present:
Andy Cathrow (Red Hat)
Mike Evans (Red Hat)
Itamar Heim (Red Hat)
Jim Jagielski (Red Hat)
Mike Day (IBM)
Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat)
Perry Myers (Red Hat)
Karsten Wade (Red hat)
Adam Mendoza (NetApp)
Jim Wasko (IBM)
Ryan Harper (IBM)
(If I missed your name, again, sorry - a ton of noise all at once. I may
drop the attendees section in the future since meeting notes reflect a
lot of the participation - takes too much time out of a short meeting to
try and capture who is on.)
== Project Schedule ==
* Confirm initial project invites by September 14
* Website Launch - September
* oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th)
* Community startup @ workshop
* Press release post-workshop
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need list)
* Governance
* How to get involved
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November
(need list)
* Source code release
* ??
* First release - January/February.
== Working Shared Document ==
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
== Week's Action Items ==
* Everyone: Please notify Carl or Robyn of people not yet subscribed
to project-planning mailing list that should be. (ongoing)
* Everyone: list speaking/engagement opportunities in the Google Doc,
use times to advertise workshop. (Section 8) (ongoing)
* Action: Robyn to continue driving Workshop location / participation
on list.
* Action: All - Need to add companies we are in discussions with ((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html),
(COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) for example) to invite list for workshop
* Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on
positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
* Action: Jim J. to follow up with Karsten / Carl on first draft of
website content.
* Action: Robyn/Andy to work on updated slide set to send out.
* Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on
positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
* Action: Andy to loop back with Mike Day on contact details for (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
* Action: Robyn to send out updated meeting invites
* Action: Mike Day to look into other parts of Intel - querying Mike
Richmond from Intel from systems management perspective.
* Action: Ryan/Mike of IBM to follow up with Anthony on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
convo (or Anthony can provide an update as well)
== Agenda ==
1) Board invites, status (Mike)
* New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
* SUSE (Carl) - now confirmed
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.) - need update.
* New status Mike day is aware of:
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waitng to hear back from people in Virt.
* Action: Andy to loop back with Mike Day on contact details for (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
* Other:
* Other folks on call / list are allowed to speak with other
potential invites
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) as prospect -
* Mike Day to look into other parts of Intel - querying Mike
Richmond from Intel from systems management perspective.
2) Settle ongoing meeting time slot
* Agreed - 10am Wednesdays
* Robyn to send out updated invites
3) Updated slide set (Robyn)
* Things to update:
* Consistent feedback has been:
* How do we envision the board - when is the board elected - etc.
* Info on board being fluid, larger, more board members
* NEED TO: Crisp up slides that clarify board role and members
* How does this relate to OpenStack, other projects that may be a
conflict
* Need to be clear about why it's not a conflict
* Define plans on interaction with other communities
* NEED TO add FAQ or slide to stack re: Other communities.
* Slides around deliverables - define what RHEV was or IS
* Need to update with current board members, schedule., workshop info.
* Action: Robyn/Andy to work on updated slide set to send out.
* Need additional slide set to send out to non-board but community
participants, esp. to get participation in the initial workshop.
* To be a condensed version of Board slide deck
* Action pending Robyn/Andy update of original slide deck.
4) OpenStack discussion (added mid-meeting)
* Everyone in industry has joined
* Why are we competing
* IBM doesn't want support/sponsorship of oVirt to say anything about
what they are doing or plan to do with OpenStack.
* Team Thoughts:
* We may be conflicting at some point
* OS is not nearly as open of a community, really only 2 companies
rep'd on board
* More of a cloud vendor solution, oVirt more of a data center virt
solution
* OpenStack not as concerned with Data Center solutions
* OpenStack can build on top of oVirt, in addition to Nova
* We are KVM specific
* We don't restrict our scope - open to a wide range of contributions
* Key differentiator - we are focused on building a community from
the ground up, that develops the open source projecss and projects,
board is not restricting/driving direction
* Following the Open Source Way
* Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on
positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
* Jim J. happy to take lead on any specific community questions people
have.
4) Website launch (Karsten, Carl, Jim J.)
* Status on first-pass of site content
* Jim has started drafting some content/blog post for an intro. He's
going to clean up and send to Karsten / Carl for feedback.
* Karsten is working on getting up a wiki instance in a private space
for us in the meantime, should be up in the next week.
5) oVirt Workshop / Summit (Karsten/Robyn)
* Workshop participation - attendee list status (Robyn)
* We still need names. PLEASE ADD THEM.
* Please reach out to your teams internally or add their names
proactively.
* Action: If you were a touch point in inviting someone to the board
who is NOT representing on the Workshop list - please reach out to them.
* Location
* Tentatively considering colocation with LinuxCon Europe.
* WANT TO DECIDE BY END OF WEEK.
* Action: Robyn to continue driving on list.
* Action: Need to add companies we are in discussions with ((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
for example) to invite list.
* Non-Board invitees - Need to frame how to invite.
* Pending updated slideset for non-board members.
* Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list:
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
6) Governance Docs (Carl)
* Carl out this week.
7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
* Need more discussion on google doc - Robyn to prod on mailing list.
13 years, 3 months
oVirt Sync Call Agenda :: 2011-09-07
by Robyn Bergeron
Please note the new meeting time tomorrow, listed in agenda below - you
should have received an updated meeting invite.
If you are new to the list and do not currently have an invite on your
calendar for the sync call, let me know.
Thanks,
-Robyn
oVirt Sync Call Agenda
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am US
Pacific)
== Intercall Conference ==
Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679
International Dial-In Number: (212) 729-5016
Other Toll-Free Dial-In Numbers: Listed in meeting invite
Conference code: 9197544554
If you are not actively participating in the conversation
please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to hear.
*6 -- Mute your line
#6 -- Unmute your line
== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning(a)ovirt.org list subscribers
== Project Schedule ==
* Confirm initial project invites by September 14
* Website Launch - September
* oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th)
* Community startup @ workshop
* Press release post-workshop
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need list)
* Governance
* How to get involved
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November
(need list)
* Source code release
* ??
* First release - January/February.
== Working Shared Document ==
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
== Agenda ==
1) Board invites, status
* New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
* (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
* Confirmed but additional follow-up
* Intel (additional contacts) (Mike Day)
2) Project launch status
* Announcement date
* Need bullet list of remaining tasks before announcement date,
schedule
* PR resources
3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
* Workshop participation - attendee list status
* Settle date/location
* Next Steps
* Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list
* (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
4) Updated Slide Deck Status (Andy)
5) Positioning/Differentiation Points (Karsten)
* Need to add to updated slide deck
6) Governance Docs (Carl)
* Status
7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
* Other mailing lists
* Source code release
8) Your Agenda Item Here
== Previous Action Items ==
* Action: All - Need to add companies we are in discussions with ((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html),
(COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) for example) to invite list for workshop
* Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on
positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
* Action: Jim J. to follow up with Karsten / Carl on first draft of
website content.
* Action: Robyn/Andy to work on updated slide set to send out.
* Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on
positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
* Action: Andy to loop back with Mike Day on contact details for (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
* Action: Robyn to send out updated meeting invites
* Action: Mike Day to look into other parts of Intel - querying Mike
Richmond from Intel from systems management perspective.
* Action: Ryan/Mike of IBM to follow up with Anthony on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
convo (or Anthony can provide an update as well)
13 years, 3 months
