September 2011 - Project-planning

Workshop - more details
by Carl Trieloff 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on the call yesterday. Please don't hold back on any feedback. (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) Questions... -- start at 8AM? -- enough time for breakouts? -- enough time for investment areas from founders? .... thx Cal.

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http://www.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/
by Ayal Baron 24 Sep '11

24 Sep '11

Hi Carl, The vdsm lists listed on the site are incorrect. Correct links are: vdsm-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org vdsm-patches(a)lists.fedorahosted.org Resources should also include vdsm git path http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=vdsm.git Thanks, Ayal

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Please confirm your workshop attendance
by Robyn Bergeron 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

Hi folks, I'm going to start wrangling the RSVP list. We had a list going here, for board-company-attendees: (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) ... but I'd like to confirm availability for those attendees, now that we have a date/location settled. If you are on this list, please highlight your name in GREEN on the spreadsheet if you plan to attend, RED if you are not. (Or, if you are the person who signed someone else up, please do this for them, unless you don't know, in which case, just work it out with them.) Anyone *new* who is not yet on this list should just send an email to the rsvp(a)ovirt.org mailing list. And in the meantime, I'll start collecting the names/addresses of those who have signed up to the rsvp@ mailing list so that we can keep a count going. Questions, comments, flames welcome. :) -Robyn

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open archives or what?
by Karsten Wade 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

So we can't really just open the archives to this mailing list. We have notes from out meetings in there that shouldn't be shared publicly. At the same time, we now need a list for doing planning of project stuff in the open. For example, the workshop. Topics not really suitable for board@. Do we make a new list? Or do we wipe the archives of this list and start from fresh? I would be loathe to completely clean the archives to zero, but it could be a pain to surgically remove content. Thoughts? - Karsten -- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership uri: http://communityleadershipteam.org http://TheOpenSourceWay.org gpg: AD0E0C41

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oVirt Weekly Sync Call
by Robyn Bergeron 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

The following meeting has been modified: Subject: oVirt Weekly Sync Call Organizer: "Robyn Bergeron" <rbergero(a)redhat.com> Location: Bridge info listed in invite Time: 7:00:00 AM - 7:30:00 AM GMT -07:00 Arizona [MODIFIED] Recurrence : Every 1 week(s) on No end date Effective Aug 31, 2011 Invitees: project-planning(a)ovirt.org; pmyers(a)redhat.com; mdday(a)us.ibm.com; Adam.Mendoza(a)netapp.com; waskoj(a)us.ibm.com; imad.sousou(a)intel.com; fnovak(a)us.ibm.com; lpeer(a)redhat.com; bazulay(a)redhat.com; Jon.Benedict(a)netapp.com; raharper(a)us.ibm.com ... *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* oVirt project launch synchronization call. * Wednesdays, 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 7:00am US Pacific) * Shared document: (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) == Conference Call Info == * Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679 * International dial-in listed below * Conference Code: 9197544554 If you are not actively participating in the conversation please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to hear. *6 -- Mute your line #6 -- Unmute your line Global Access Numbers Local: Australia, Sydney Dial-In #: 0289852326 Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 012534978196 Belgium, Brussels Dial-In #: 027920405 China Dial-In #: 4006205013 Denmark, Copenhagen Dial-In #: 32729215 Finland, Helsinki Dial-In #: 0923194436 France, Paris Dial-In #: 0170377140 Germany, Berlin Dial-In #: 030300190579 Ireland, Dublin Dial-In #: 014367793 Italy, Milan Dial-In #: 0236269529 Netherlands, Amsterdam Dial-In #: 0207975872 Norway, Oslo Dial-In #: 21033188 Singapore Dial-In #: 64840858 Spain, Barcelona Dial-In #: 935452328 Sweden, Stockholm Dial-In #: 0850513770 Switzerland, Geneva Dial-In #: 0225927881 United Kingdom Dial-In #: 02078970515 United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08445790676 United Kingdom, LocalCall Dial-In #: 08445790678 United States Dial-In #: 2127295016 Global Access Numbers Tollfree: Argentina Dial-In #: 8004441016 Australia Dial-In #: 1800337169 Austria Dial-In #: 0800005898 Bahamas Dial-In #: 18002054776 Bahrain Dial-In #: 80004377 Belgium Dial-In #: 080048325 Brazil Dial-In #: 08008921002 Bulgaria Dial-In #: 008001100236 Chile Dial-In #: 800370228 Colombia Dial-In #: 018009134033 Costa Rica Dial-In #: 08000131048 Cyprus Dial-In #: 80095297 Czech Republic Dial-In #: 800700318 Denmark Dial-In #: 80887114 Dominican Republic Dial-In #: 18887512313 Estonia Dial-In #: 8000100232 Finland Dial-In #: 0800117116 France Dial-In #: 0805632867 Germany Dial-In #: 8006647541 Greece Dial-In #: 00800127562 Hong Kong Dial-In #: 800930349 Hungary Dial-In #: 0680016796 Iceland Dial-In #: 8008967 India Dial-In #: 0008006501533 Indonesia Dial-In #: 0018030179162 Ireland Dial-In #: 1800932401 Israel Dial-In #: 1809462557 Italy Dial-In #: 800985897 Jamaica Dial-In #: 18002050328 Japan Dial-In #: 0120934453 Korea (South) Dial-In #: 007986517393 Latvia Dial-In #: 80003339 Lithuania Dial-In #: 880030479 Luxembourg Dial-In #: 80026595 Malaysia Dial-In #: 1800814451 Mexico Dial-In #: 0018664590915 New Zealand Dial-In #: 0800888167 Norway Dial-In #: 80012994 Panama Dial-In #: 008002269184 Philippines Dial-In #: 180011100991 Poland Dial-In #: 008001210187 Portugal Dial-In #: 800814625 Russian Federation Dial-In #: 81080028341012 Saint Kitts and Nevis Dial-In #: 18002059252 Singapore Dial-In #: 8006162235 Slovak Republic Dial-In #: 0800001441 South Africa Dial-In #: 0800981148 Spain Dial-In #: 800300524 Sweden Dial-In #: 200896860 Switzerland Dial-In #: 800650077 Taiwan Dial-In #: 00801127141 Thailand Dial-In #: 001800656966 Trinidad and Tobago Dial-In #: 18002024615 United Arab Emirates Dial-In #: 8000650591 United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08006948057 United States Dial-In #: 8004518679 Uruguay Dial-In #: 00040190315 Venezuela Dial-In #: 08001627182

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virtualization benchmark suites
by Michael D Day 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

Hi folks, I spoke with several financial customers interested in KVM earlier this week and two topics we discussed were KVM benchmarking and the oVirt community. Two of the customers suggested that we contribute benchmarking suites to oVirt as projects, and that we form a benchmarking community under oVirt. IBM has successfully contributed a benchmark called DayTrader to the Apache foundation and formed a community around that benchmark, which tests middleware using transaction and networking workloads. I'm not proposing DayTrader. But IBM does have some distributed benchmarks that may be interesting to the community. And others of you probably also have similar test suites. What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's interest I'll pursue things on our end (no promises). But I think this is good feedback from our customers and am interested to hear comments on the idea. Thanks, Mike Mike Day IBM Distinguished Engineer Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday(a)us.ibm.com http://code.ncultra.org

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FYI - Post Workshop press discuss on Wed 28th agenda
by Carl Trieloff 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

I have invited Kerrin from our press team to join us next Wednesday's call to discuss options for event/post-event release for official project kick-off. Doing this early, so there is enough time to discuss. Carl.

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4044 views for Sept 22
by Carl Trieloff 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

Top two link from sources 1.) linux.mag.de 2.) twitter Carl.

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Re: virtualization benchmark suites
by Anthony Liguori 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

On 09/22/2011 04:47 PM, Michael D Day wrote: > project-planning-bounces(a)ovirt.org wrote on 09/22/2011 05:34:38 PM: >> >> Does such benchmark ever existed (apart from kernel build)? :) >> As you pointed Anthony, let the ovirt project first focus on simplify >> the build process before we develop a competing benchmark suite to the >> one that we base lots of our marketing over. >> > > Yes, there are several distributed benchmarks that test different aspects of > virtualization performance. SPECVirt tests server consolidation. It doesn't > test memory over-commitment. In fact, I don't think anyone who publishes a > SPECVirt score using a configuration that over-commits memory because it hurts > the score. There are other benchmark suites that test HPC cluster-style > workloads running on a hypervisor. And networking performance. These are just > some of the ones we use within IBM. They are very useful. If we would have had > better benchmark suites to test memory usage you would have decided to include > the balloon driver in RHEL 5.4 instead of relying solely upon KSM. And if we > had used a good distributed transactional benchmark like DayTrader we would > have known early on that small-packet network performance is relatively poor. > Just a couple of examples. > > If a benchmarking project does happen, it would need to be a self-sustaining > project under the oVirt community umbrella. That means there would need to be > interest in the form of independent developer resources. DayTrader is a web application benchmark. You provide it a profile and it will simulate a bunch of clients trying to connect to your web application. It's geared toward J2EE developers as it provides to do performance testing of your J2EE application. I think the way to think of this in the context of oVirt, is a suite of tools that can be used by an ISV/Customer to validate that they're deployment of oVirt is optimized appropriately. I definitely think its worth having a perf BoF as part of the workshop (or perhaps the next workshop) to start discussing how we handle performance measurement/tuning in an oVirt world. I agree though that we need to tackle things one at a time but it doesn't hurt to have an idea of where we want to be in the long term while we do that :-) Regards, Anthony Liguori > And keep in mind I'm passing on customer feedback. (I happen to think its a > good suggestion as well). > > Thanks, > > Mike > > Mike Day > IBM Distinguished Engineer > Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development > Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday(a)us.ibm.com > http://code.ncultra.org >

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oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-21
by Robyn Bergeron 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am US Pacific) == Invitees/Attendees == project-planning(a)ovirt.org list subscribers If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like it to be, please send rbergero(a)redhat.com an email. * Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat) * Kyle Mestery (Cisco) * Carl Trieloff (Red Hat) * Frank Novak (IBM) * Karsten Wade (Red Hat) * Alexander Graf (SuSe) * Anthony Ligouri (Red Hat) * Livnat Peer (Red Hat) * Itamar Heim (Red Hat) * Andrew Cathrow (Red Hat) * Perry Myers (Red Hat) * Jon Benedict (NetApp) == Project Schedule == * Ongoing oVirt workshop promotion * oVirt Workshop - November 1, 2, 3 * USA - CA - hosted by Cisco * Press release post workshop * Community startup at workshop * Schedule first community release * Community Infrastructure * Launch at workshop * First release - January/February. == Action Items == * Livnat to work with Carl re: Google analytics * Carl to start Google Doc re: starting to work the agenda * Karsten to get wiki live == Agenda == 0) Quick Updates: * Update from going live: * 2800 views yesterday * 1050~ views today thus far * Most traffic is being referred from twitter * Google Analytics would be a good idea, by names/geos - very easy for someone who knows how. Livnat to work with Carl to get it going. 1) Board invites, status * New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress: * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back 2) Project launch status / Progress review * Website is live * Project announcement, invites have been sent * rsvp(a)ovirt.org * Do we need to have folks on the Google docs attendee list re-sign up? * OVA press release * Workshop is next major milestone 3) oVirt Workshop / Summit * Nov. 1, 2, 3, Cisco Main Campus, San Jose. * Details: * Attendee count, registration * Evening events/activities * Food * Need to get agenda firmed up by next Friday or possibly even Wednesday. * First morning * Introductions, running through full source via demonstration, scope of initial contribution, how it works. Afternoon: Start with initial architectural overviews of components together as a group. * Tuesday morning * Dev environment, etc. How to get started. * Other key aspects: Deeper dive around key components. Hardware enablement (Intel), IBM additional thoughts - additional sessions from other perspectives would be good. * Create a google doc, or possibly wiki? Carl to make notes somewhere (google docs, just need a wiki to post and will move over.) * Multiple audiences - developers as well as participants/observers. What's optimal for each of those groups? * IBM (Anthony speaking) hopes to answer - how to participate? What are the areas that people can dive into immediately and can help with? Make sure we have time for discussion. Need to have time to discuss how we can move forward. Kyle (Cisco) agrees. Dive-in sessions very useful, esp. for an event like this. BoFs or barcamp-style would be useful. * Gap analysis? Is that useful? Yes. * Want to walk away fromworkshop with ideas, etc. We can start those discussions For other participants, it's hard for them to commit on behalf of the rest of their companies. * Getting pre-work is very important to make sure that we get things out of the workshop. * Agreeing on first release date may be another thing to consider. * What's the most useful stuff for prior to workshop? Suggestions: * Gap analysis (at least from red hat's perspective), so they can see how it aligns with other interests in their companies * Documentation * Possible to post a recorded demo to oVirt website? * Links to existing info from Summit, etc. is possible * Need to do: * Documentation onto resources page * Relevant presentations from 3.0 * Creating Demos around 3.0 release * Gap analysis * Roadmap / pick list * Feature pages? (ie: similar to Fedora?) 4) Infrastructure (ongoing agenda item) * Project naming status * BZ, mailing lists. * Wiki expected to be up in ~24hr * Gerrit coming as well * Discuss changing time / duration on the list 5) Other updates / Agenda topics

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