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[VOTE] Include Mom into the oVirt Incubator
by Carl Trieloff 26 Oct '11

26 Oct '11

This vote is to include Mom into the oVirt incubtaor. Details about the project can be found at http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/Project_Proposal_-_MOM More information about the incubator at oVirt can be found at http://www.ovirt.org/governance/adding-a-subproject/ In order to be accepted into the incubator, the project needs to be able to articulate its goals, scope and how it relates/integrates with the oVirt project. Mom has done this. Entering the incubator is the low bar vote, which Mom in my view clearly gets over. Note that the vote from incubator to full oVirt project (not this vote) is where we look for the demonstration of project criteria. The idea with the incubator is that any project that can articulate how it relates to oVirt should be able to enter the incubator and then work out details while in incubation. Vote open till the 27th. Here is my +1 Carl.

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Re: Policy for applying copyright notices
by Jan Wildeboer 25 Oct '11

25 Oct '11

Second point is identifying the source of every commit. IMHO it is good practice to have a sign-off for ALL initial commits. Justt to make sure we have a full trail. Important for example for EAL certification. But also in case of disputes. Jan -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG Key: 3AC3C8AB Fingerprint: 3D1E C4E0 DD67 E16D E47A 9564 A72F 5C39 3AC3 C8AB ----- Original Message ----- From: board-bounces(a)ovirt.org <board-bounces(a)ovirt.org> To: cctrieloff(a)redhat.com <cctrieloff(a)redhat.com> Cc: board(a)ovirt.org <board(a)ovirt.org> Sent: Sat Oct 22 13:18:28 2011 Subject: Re: Policy for applying copyright notices On 10/19/2011 02:12 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: > On 10/18/2011 05:31 PM, Richard Fontana wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 01:41:04PM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote: >>> > On 10/18/2011 12:35 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >I would like to add to the site some text around applying the >>>> > >copyright >>>> > >statement per the license text as per >>>> > >http://www.ovirt.org/about/licensing/ >>>> > > >>>> > >In the piece at the top of the license, there is a section >>>> > > >>>> > >"Copyright [yyyy] [name of copyright owner]" >>> > >>> > This will remain a recommendation, right? It would be difficult for >>> > us to get approval to use something other than the IBM corporate >>> > standard copyright notice (which does change every couple years). >>> > It seems (C) comes in and out of style over time :-) >> That line is actually from the appendix of the Apache License 2.0, >> which gives a recommended copyright notice. >> >> I'm sympathetic to the view that precise formal details of copyright >> notices should not be mandated. At Red Hat, I think the "(C)" may have >> been historically recommended, but I have non-actively promoted >> non-use of it on principles of minimalism :-). >> >> I think, however, that Carl was suggesting a rule that *some* suitable >> form of copyright notice be placed by the author of an original file, >> not mandating what the form would be. > > correct. > > Carl. > I personally rather dropping the [name of copyright owner] I believe that's why we have history in the source control. There is one person adding the file and other X (X likely > 1) people changing it, I see no reason crediting the one who added the file. We had a discussion on this in the engine-core project some time ago and we decided to remove all credits to file creators. If not accepted as a general rule for all oVirt projects I would like to suggest that this can be decided/changed on a project level. Livnat _______________________________________________ Board mailing list Board(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board

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Re: Policy for applying copyright notices
by Jan Wildeboer 25 Oct '11

25 Oct '11

All hail The Open Source Way ;-) Jan -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG Key: 3AC3C8AB Fingerprint: 3D1E C4E0 DD67 E16D E47A 9564 A72F 5C39 3AC3 C8AB ----- Original Message ----- From: board-bounces(a)ovirt.org <board-bounces(a)ovirt.org> To: Chris Wright <chrisw(a)redhat.com> Cc: board(a)ovirt.org <board(a)ovirt.org> Sent: Tue Oct 25 12:07:40 2011 Subject: Re: Policy for applying copyright notices On 10/25/2011 10:14 AM, Chris Wright wrote: > * Doron Fediuck (dfediuck(a)redhat.com) wrote: >> I was following the Apache sample you gave. If ovirt.org is not a legal >> entity >> for intellectual property matters, and contributer does not belong to a >> company >> we'll get to a state which every file in the project will be copyrighted >> to >> a different person. This is too chaotic. > > It is the norm for many open source projects. Diversity is healthy. Agreed. It's a feature, not a bug. Regards, Anthony Liguori > > thanks, > -chris > _______________________________________________ > Board mailing list > Board(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board > _______________________________________________ Board mailing list Board(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board

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Policy for applying copyright notices
by Carl Trieloff 25 Oct '11

25 Oct '11

I would like to add to the site some text around applying the copyright statement per the license text as per http://www.ovirt.org/about/licensing/ In the piece at the top of the license, there is a section "Copyright [yyyy] [name of copyright owner]" Based on some discussion reading the source to be opened for the workshop, I believe we should use the following general rule for the projects. The author of the file applies his organization or themselves as the copyright owner, and then any additions / modifications can be determined from the GIT history. Maybe better I just create a guide for any incubating project, I'll post it for comment. Carl.

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Re: [VOTE] Include Nomad into the oVirt Incubator
by Isaac Christoffersen 24 Oct '11

24 Oct '11

ASL 2 is correct and aligns well to our other dependent components. I will add it to the page later today. My intent is to have the code in our github report in time for next week's workshop. Isaac -- Isaac Christoffersen Sr. Software Engineer, Vizuri web :: www.vizuri.com mobile :: 703.980.2836 -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: [VOTE] Include Nomad into the oVirt Incubator From: Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff(a)redhat.com> To: Chris Wright <chrisw(a)redhat.com> CC: "board(a)ovirt.org" <board(a)ovirt.org> On 10/24/2011 01:47 PM, Chris Wright wrote: > * Carl Trieloff (cctrieloff(a)redhat.com) wrote: >> > >> > This vote is to include Nomad into the oVirt incubtaor. Details about >> > the project can be found at >> > http://www.ovirt.org/wiki/Project_Proposal_-_Nomad > Do we require source and license info? The application is missing > both of those. We don't require source so that a company can get a vote before making the source public if they are going to open source it to oVirt incubator. However we should include license in the doc. Issac, Can you add that. I assume ASL2.0 Carl. _______________________________________________ Board mailing list Board(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board

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Problem with project names.
by Yaniv Dary 24 Oct '11

24 Oct '11

Hi, I'm Yaniv the maintainer of the ovirt DWH & Reports projects. I see that there are mistakes in the projects page: - The dwh project is called history this should be changed to data warehouse or dwh and the Bugzilla category from ovirt-engine-history to ovirt-dwh. We will probably add more sources other then the engine db as some point the name should reflect that. - The reports project Bugzilla category should also be changed from ovirt-engine-reports to ovirt-reports, because the reports will also be based on data not only from the engine, since it's built over the ovirt_history database. Thanks! --- Yaniv Dary BI Software Engineer Red Hat Israel Ltd. 34 Jerusalem Road Building A, 4th floor Ra'anana, Israel 43501 Tel : +972 (9) 7692306 72306 Email: ydary(a)redhat.com IRC : Yaniv D

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Re: Policy for applying copyright notices
by Jan Wildeboer 23 Oct '11

23 Oct '11

Even worse, stripping (c) notes is illegal in many jurisdictions. Years ago it was eactly what someone did to one of my projects (osCommerce) and I succesfully sued them in a german court. It was one of the first cases of GPL in court, BTW and the offender had to restore all original copyrigt notices. #justsayin Jan -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG Key: 3AC3C8AB Fingerprint: 3D1E C4E0 DD67 E16D E47A 9564 A72F 5C39 3AC3 C8AB ----- Original Message ----- From: board-bounces(a)ovirt.org <board-bounces(a)ovirt.org> To: Livnat Peer <lpeer(a)redhat.com> Cc: board(a)ovirt.org <board(a)ovirt.org> Sent: Sun Oct 23 09:37:48 2011 Subject: Re: Policy for applying copyright notices On 10/22/2011 01:18 PM, Livnat Peer wrote: > I personally rather dropping the [name of copyright owner] I believe > that's why we have history in the source control. That is also fine. Note that if a file is brought to the project it is considered bad form to strip the copyright notice, so over time we will get a collection of files with notices and without over time if code is re-used from other OSS projects. Carl. _______________________________________________ Board mailing list Board(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board

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Re: Policy for applying copyright notices
by Jan Wildeboer 22 Oct '11

22 Oct '11

Not everybody will get sources from git. When distributed as tarball this info is lost. It is thus always good to be able to reconstruct from the file contents itself. Jan -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG Key: 3AC3C8AB Fingerprint: 3D1E C4E0 DD67 E16D E47A 9564 A72F 5C39 3AC3 C8AB ----- Original Message ----- From: board-bounces(a)ovirt.org <board-bounces(a)ovirt.org> To: cctrieloff(a)redhat.com <cctrieloff(a)redhat.com> Cc: board(a)ovirt.org <board(a)ovirt.org> Sent: Sat Oct 22 13:18:28 2011 Subject: Re: Policy for applying copyright notices On 10/19/2011 02:12 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: > On 10/18/2011 05:31 PM, Richard Fontana wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 01:41:04PM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote: >>> > On 10/18/2011 12:35 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >I would like to add to the site some text around applying the >>>> > >copyright >>>> > >statement per the license text as per >>>> > >http://www.ovirt.org/about/licensing/ >>>> > > >>>> > >In the piece at the top of the license, there is a section >>>> > > >>>> > >"Copyright [yyyy] [name of copyright owner]" >>> > >>> > This will remain a recommendation, right? It would be difficult for >>> > us to get approval to use something other than the IBM corporate >>> > standard copyright notice (which does change every couple years). >>> > It seems (C) comes in and out of style over time :-) >> That line is actually from the appendix of the Apache License 2.0, >> which gives a recommended copyright notice. >> >> I'm sympathetic to the view that precise formal details of copyright >> notices should not be mandated. At Red Hat, I think the "(C)" may have >> been historically recommended, but I have non-actively promoted >> non-use of it on principles of minimalism :-). >> >> I think, however, that Carl was suggesting a rule that *some* suitable >> form of copyright notice be placed by the author of an original file, >> not mandating what the form would be. > > correct. > > Carl. > I personally rather dropping the [name of copyright owner] I believe that's why we have history in the source control. There is one person adding the file and other X (X likely > 1) people changing it, I see no reason crediting the one who added the file. We had a discussion on this in the engine-core project some time ago and we decided to remove all credits to file creators. If not accepted as a general rule for all oVirt projects I would like to suggest that this can be decided/changed on a project level. Livnat _______________________________________________ Board mailing list Board(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board

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I've updated the projects page (new css)
by Carl Trieloff 20 Oct '11

20 Oct '11

And I have added a table to oVirt projects incubating. http://www.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/ Carl.

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[RFC] Moving project planning meeting to IRC
by Anthony Liguori 19 Oct '11

19 Oct '11

This came up in today's project planning meeting. How do folks feel about moving the project planning and future board meetings to IRC? The advantage of IRC meetings are that the full meeting minutes can be posted in a public archive. It's significantly easier for many folks to participate in IRC meetings. I think the only downside would be if anyone involved is uncomfortable with using IRC. Using IRC for regular meetings certainly doesn't preclude having occasional phone calls if necessary. Regards, Anthony Liguori

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