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revised download page mockup
by Garrett LeSage 12 Sep '12

12 Sep '12

Hi everyone, Based on some feedback from the IRC meeting yesterday, I've scaled back the changes needed from oVirt for the download page and designed an alternate that we could use for the immediate future. http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download-alt.html It's based on what is currently on oVirt.org, with some minor changes: • simplification of the installation steps • inclusion of system requirements and some summary text at the top As I wanted to communicate what each section would say, I wrote some filler text that should be somewhat close to the idea of what we might want to use. However, the text on this page is very rough in comparison to the other pages, so please keep this in mind. Also, I should note that the original download design (for comparison) is at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download.html ...and the background thoughts behind the original download page are at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design-downl… Thanks! I'm looking forward to your feedback! Garrett

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Election for Project Manager -- Voting Closes 2012-09-14
by Mike Burns 12 Sep '12

12 Sep '12

This is a call for votes for one of the two candidates for the oVirt Project Manager Position. Voting closes at EOD 2012-09-14. The Candidates Moran Goldboim Mike Burns The Role: Project Manager Responsibilities: Maintain Schedule Run weekly meeting Coordinate with project maintainers on dates, features, etc Ensure that docs and release materials are ready for release Final say on what goes into a release Tracking new features Tracking action items Release Schedule This person should be empowered to make decisions for the project (based on input from maintainers, but final call is theirs). As for choosing this person, it could be done via general election on email or an IRC meeting. I'd suggest having someone do it for a limited timeline, maybe 2 or 3 releases, then another election is held. There are no term limits, so if a person wants to continue past the 2 or 3 releases, all they need is to be reelected. Please submit your votes by the deadline! Thanks Mike

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oVirt Weekly Meeting Minutes -- 2012-09-12
by Mike Burns 12 Sep '12

12 Sep '12

Minutes: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-12-14.00.html Minutes (text): http://ovirt.org/========================= #ovirt: oVirt Weekly Sync ========================= Meeting started by mburns at 14:00:46 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-12-14.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (mburns, 14:01:00) * Next Release (mburns, 14:03:56) * AGREED: feature freeze in mid november (mburns, 14:24:45) * AGREED: target ga in mid december (mburns, 14:24:54) * itamar will provide feature list for 3.2 next week (mburns, 14:25:08) * sub-project report - node (mburns, 14:26:12) * still waiting on fix/solution for nfs kernel issue (mburns, 14:26:24) * 2.5.2 packages released but no iso (some slight packaging and spec file changes to improve distro support) (mburns, 14:27:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=845660 (dneary, 14:28:54) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=845660 (mburns, 14:29:55) * mburns and jclift to work on getting node build with an old kernel (mburns, 14:34:30) * sub-project report - infra (mburns, 14:40:44) * looking into hosting providers, not much else to report (mburns, 14:42:36) * sub-project report vdsm/engine (mburns, 14:42:54) * mostly working on bug fixes (mburns, 14:43:02) * many people out of office over the next month due to holidays (mburns, 14:43:16) * workshops (mburns, 14:43:24) * CFP for oVirt Workshop in Barcelona closes at EOW (mburns, 14:44:38) * LINK: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/kvm-forum/cfp-ovirt (mburns, 14:44:50) * looking to expand Bangalore Workshop to 2 days (mburns, 14:46:29) * lh will be surveying attendees about that (mburns, 14:46:51) * LINK: http://ovirtbangalore2012.eventbrite.com/ (lh, 14:46:58) * Bangalore registration completely full within a few days (mburns, 14:47:03) * LINK: http://wiki.ovirt.org/wiki/Bangalore_Abstracts (lh, 14:47:47) * community submitted talks for bangalore now available on the wiki (mburns, 14:49:13) * people who have submitted talks, please update info on the wiki page (mburns, 14:49:39) * we will have a booth at LinuxCon Europe (mburns, 14:49:56) * Project Manager Election (mburns, 14:50:11) * there are currently 2 candidates (mburns, 14:50:58) * Mike Burns (mburns) (mburns, 14:51:02) * Moran Goldboim (mgoldboi) (mburns, 14:51:21) * other topics (mburns, 14:58:50) Meeting ended at 15:00:24 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mburns (128) * dneary (40) * itamar (26) * lh (15) * jclift (15) * rbergeron (7) * garrett_ (4) * RobertM (4) * ovirtbot (4) * fsimonce (4) * quaid (1) * lhornyak (1) * rharper (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBotmeetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-12-14.00.txt Log: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-12-14.00.log.html

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Meeting minutes :: Infra Team weekly sync :: 2012-09-11
by Karsten 'quaid' Wade 11 Sep '12

11 Sep '12

Minutes: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-11-14.00.html Minutes (text): http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-11-14.00.txt Log: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-11-14.00.log.html ============== #ovirt Meeting ============== Meeting started by quaid at 14:00:34 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-11-14.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Agenda & roll call (quaid, 14:00:46) * LINK: http://wiki.ovirt.org/wiki/Infrastructure_team_meetings (quaid, 14:01:20) * Hosting (quaid, 14:03:02) * quaid meeting with Red Hat IT this week to talk about possible provided hosting (quaid, 14:03:50) * ACTION: RobertM and quaid to work on choosing a hosting provider on 12 Sep at 9 am EDT (quaid, 14:07:40) * Task tracking (quaid, 14:16:37) * ACTION: mburns to get quaid admin on fedorahosted.org/ovirt (quaid, 14:23:31) * ACTION: quaid to tweak Trac, provide basic how-to steps for everyone to use for how Infra will use it (quaid, 14:23:52) * Website updates (quaid, 14:27:50) * Back-end website changes are still undecided (quaid, 14:28:27) * Infra needs to be prepared for just one or multiple platforms being used for www.ovirt.org and wiki.ovirt.org (quaid, 14:33:47) * Infra needs to coordinate back-end site maintenance with design (quaid, 14:39:18) * Jenkins (quaid, 14:41:41) * ACTION: quaid to follow-up with Jon & NetApp about potential hosting offer (quaid, 14:59:01) Meeting ended at 15:00:50 UTC. Action Items ------------ * RobertM and quaid to work on choosing a hosting provider on 12 Sep at 9 am EDT * mburns to get quaid admin on fedorahosted.org/ovirt * quaid to tweak Trac, provide basic how-to steps for everyone to use for how Infra will use it * quaid to follow-up with Jon & NetApp about potential hosting offer Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mburns * mburns to get quaid admin on fedorahosted.org/ovirt * quaid * RobertM and quaid to work on choosing a hosting provider on 12 Sep at 9 am EDT * mburns to get quaid admin on fedorahosted.org/ovirt * quaid to tweak Trac, provide basic how-to steps for everyone to use for how Infra will use it * quaid to follow-up with Jon & NetApp about potential hosting offer * RobertM * RobertM and quaid to work on choosing a hosting provider on 12 Sep at 9 am EDT * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * quaid (77) * eedri_ (35) * RobertM (27) * garrett_ (17) * dneary (7) * mburns (5) * ovirtbot (5) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Analyst - Community Growth http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41

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Call For Agenda Items -- oVirt Weekly Meeting 2012-09-12
by Mike Burns 10 Sep '12

10 Sep '12

Meeting Time and Place oVirt Weekly Sync * Wednesdays @ 15:00 UTC (may change during DST changes) - always at 7:00am US Pacific, 10:00am US Eastern. * To see in your timezone date -d 'WEDNESDAY 1000 EDT' * On IRC: #ovirt on irc.oftc.net This is the agenda for the 2012-09-12 meeting: * Status of Next Release (Release Criteria, Target GA date) * Sub-project reports (engine, vdsm, node, infra) * Workshops * Project Manager Election If you have other topics, please reply to me and I will add them to the agenda. If you propose a topic, please be prepared to lead the discussion during the meeting. Thanks Mike

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New Role Proposal in the oVirt Project
by Mike Burns 06 Sep '12

06 Sep '12

Given some of the difficulties we've had recently with planning and getting releases pulled together, I'd like to propose we have a new role in the Project. Project Manager Responsibilities: Maintain Schedule Run weekly meeting Coordinate with project maintainers on dates, features, etc Ensure that docs and release materials are ready for release Final say on what goes into a release Tracking new features Tracking action items This person should be empowered to make decisions for the project (based on input from maintainers, but final call is theirs). As for choosing this person, it could be done via general election on email or an IRC meeting. I'd suggest having someone do it for a limited timeline, maybe 2 or 3 releases, max, then someone else takes over. Any thoughts, suggestions, comments? Thanks Mike

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oVirt Project Meeting Minutes -- 2012-09-05
by Mike Burns 05 Sep '12

05 Sep '12

Minutes: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-05-14.07.html Minutes (text): http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-05-14.07.txt Log: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-05-14.07.log.html ========================= #ovirt: oVirt Weekly Sync ========================= Meeting started by mburns at 14:07:13 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-05-14.07.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (mburns, 14:07:33) * Next Releaes (mburns, 14:10:15) * Next Releae (mburns, 14:10:35) * Next Release (mburns, 14:10:38) * ACTION: mburns to track down maintainers and get agreement on dates and feature set for next release (mburns, 14:14:37) * ACTION: mburns to propose new role in the project (mburns, 14:15:30) * no one here so no reason for sub-project reports or release status updates (mburns, 14:17:48) * infra report (mburns, 14:17:55) * need new hosting, working on plan for both short and long term (mburns, 14:19:00) * Infra team is likely to takeover the Trac instance on fedorahosted for the time being (quaid, 14:19:25) * for those unaware, this trac instance was used by ovirt-node team prior to relaunch of the project a year ago (mburns, 14:20:15) * Infra is ready to implement whatever website solution is decided above our level (quaid, 14:20:59) * correction -- no code sub-project maintainers around, there are other people around (and infra maintainers are here) (mburns, 14:21:50) * website design (mburns, 14:23:03) * discussing pros/cons to moving completely to mediawiki (mburns, 14:23:25) * requirements (mburns, 14:47:23) * 1. integrated search across main site and wiki (mburns, 14:47:37) * 2. some method to handle dynamic content like vdsm plugins (mburns, 14:47:55) * 3. Makes it easy to find out about and download oVirt (mburns, 14:48:13) * 4. Provides quickstart guide (mburns, 14:48:33) * 4. access control for some main site pages (mburns, 14:49:11) * LINK: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/background-info/design.html (garrett_, 14:50:33) * LINK: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/background-info/design-download.html (garrett_, 14:50:36) * 5. Provides a user-friendly gateway to get in contact with the oVirt developers to ask a question, report a bug, see what is planned for the project, or suggest a future improvement (mburns, 14:51:46) * 6. Provides a valuable resource to new oVirt developers explaining the development processes, architecture and community standards of the project (mburns, 14:52:15) * 7. Gives a glimpse into the work and life of the oVirt development team (mburns, 14:52:57) * 8. Provide oVirt community members with a way to distribute and promote add-ons to the main oVirt project (mburns, 14:53:13) * 9. (debated) main site and wiki are distinct (mburns, 14:54:03) * Workshops (mburns, 14:55:34) * back to website design (mburns, 14:57:40) * LINK: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design.html (garrett_, 15:01:05) * LINK: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design-downl… (garrett_, 15:02:00) * LINK: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design.html#… (garrett_, 15:03:40) Meeting ended at 15:46:14 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mburns to track down maintainers and get agreement on dates and feature set for next release * mburns to propose new role in the project Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mburns * mburns to track down maintainers and get agreement on dates and feature set for next release * mburns to propose new role in the project * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * garrett_ (199) * dneary (112) * mburns (91) * sgordon (86) * quaid (58) * dyasny (32) * RobertM (29) * lh (11) * jbrooks (10) * jb_netapp (5) * cctrieloff (5) * ovirtbot (5) * dustins (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Call For Agenda Items -- oVirt Weekly Meeting 2012-09-05
by Mike Burns 05 Sep '12

05 Sep '12

Meeting Time and Place oVirt Weekly Sync * Wednesdays @ 15:00 UTC (may change during DST changes) - always at 7:00am US Pacific, 10:00am US Eastern. * To see in your timezone date -d 'WEDNESDAY 1000 EDT' * On IRC: #ovirt on irc.oftc.net This is the agenda for the 2012-09-05 meeting: * Next Release (Release Criteria, Target GA date) * Sub-project reports (engine, vdsm, node, infra) * Workshops * New web site design For those of you in the CC list -- please either be available or have someone available to discuss release criteria and feature set for the next release. If you have other topics, please reply to me and I will add them to the agenda. If you propose a topic, please be prepared to lead the discussion during the meeting. Thanks Mike

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"Download" page: new design
by Garrett LeSage 04 Sep '12

04 Sep '12

# Designing the download section # In this email, I will explain the the mockup for the download page and the ideas that went into making the design. First, a link to the mockup: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download.html Remember, this is a work in progress, and everything is open for discussion... and also subject to change. As for this particular mockup, while the text is somewhat accurate, it mainly exists to convey concepts for this page. ## Background ## Goal: To make it easy for anyone visiting oVirt.org to download and use oVirt. By "use", I mean *both* trying oVirt on existing hardware as well as installing it to a hard drive. To accomplish this, we need to: * make it _extremely_ clear how to download oVirt * provide a quick getting started guide to walk through a few steps * inform the user what sort of hardware is expected ### Reasons to focus on an all-in-one "appliance" model ### Having one favored, easy-to-use download allows us to: * Eliminate the risks of things going wrong when a user sets up oVirt on their own system. * Isolate oVirt from the distribution kernel and subsystem changes in distributions which may break functionality. * Provide the latest and greatest features to oVirt users independent of waiting for distributions to play catch-up. * Test a known stack of software to ensure that oVirt works as intended. Possible downsides of focusing on this all-in-one approach: 1) "It doesn't run on _my_ distribution" Answer: oVirt + a very basic version of Fedora is a virtualization platform that is just enough to run hosts inside of. Sitting on top of a distro (even a very stripped-down one) and the fact that it's running on top of the Linux kernel are both basically implementation details. Any operating system, including all the different flavors of Linux, can easily run inside — oVirt plays nicely with whatever anyone wants to run. Furthermore, it doesn't make sense to run a mail server, web server, or any other service parallel to oVirt. Those services should be running inside of hosts running on top of oVirt. As a result, it doesn't matter what distribution oVirt runs on top of. 2) The all-in-one image isn't development-focused (but that's okay) Answer: We need a user-focused website, especially for the download page. It should be as easy as possible to download and set up oVirt. Right now, we're assuming that people have some sort of system knowledge of maintaining a Linux server. The download page, for this reason, should not include how to build from source. (That belongs on the website, sure, but in whatever we call the "develop" section... not in "download") It will still obviously be possible to develop for and run oVirt on any distribution of choice. It shouldn't be the default (for reasons outlined above), but it should be possible. ## Design of the page ## At the very top, you see a summary, and a big button which makes it obvious that oVirt can be downloaded. Clicking the button will immediately download the ISO. There's a size listed, so people know how long it will take (roughly), and a hash (either MD5 or SHA1, but not both) so that users can verify the download was successful. Next, the page is split into two columns. As "what should I do with this file?" is so very important, it has a prominent position on the page. At the end, there's a paragraph about consulting documentation for more information, as well as some quick links to a few commonly used documents (in this case, I think it would be neat to see how people are using oVirt, for the common use cases). Hardware requirements / suggestions are very important, so they're at the top too. Regardless of having an easy-to-install image, many people will want to install oVirt on their distribution of choice. We do want to make things as easy as possible, but we should provide a path for advanced users to install oVirt on Debian, Fedora (existing installation), openSUSE, Ubuntu, and other distributions. Therefore, I made an "Alternate installation methods" section on the page. Provided we get permission for using the logos in this way (and I'm pretty sure we can), it provides a simple, clear approach for others who want to download oVirt for their existing machines. ## In closing ## Thanks for taking the time to read this! I'm looking forward to what you have to say about the ideas expressed in the mockup. Garrett

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Meeting minutes :: oVirt Infra weekly sync :: 2012-09-04
by Karsten 'quaid' Wade 04 Sep '12

04 Sep '12

Minutes: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-04-14.02.html Minutes (text): http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-04-14.02.txt Log: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-04-14.02.log.html =============================== #ovirt: oVirt Infra weekly sync =============================== Meeting started by quaid at 14:02:41 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-09-04-14.02.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call & agenda chat (quaid, 14:02:59) * LINK: http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-08-28-14.00.html (quaid, 14:06:38) * Hosting ... (quaid, 14:11:17) * IDEA: get a BIG server to do Jenkins, and a not-so-BIG server to host VMs so we can split services to different hosts (e.g. wiki, lists, etc.) (quaid, 14:13:01) * try to do that to start with $200/mon and see where that gets us (quaid, 14:13:24) * Gerritt may need a good IO, cf. Jenkins (quaid, 14:17:07) * Gerritt occasional sticking problem due to jetty bug on heavy load; stronger/faster machine will help make this less of an issue; an alternate is to run the less common configuration of Tomcat as a container (quaid, 14:22:28) * IDEA: add cron job that checks if the log contains the jetty error, then recycles the service (quaid, 14:22:59) * IDEA: weekly cronjob to restart jetty (on Saturday) just in case (quaid, 14:25:21) * ACTION: add jenkins job to run remote cmd on gerrit.ovirt.org that will restart gerrit service. requires sudo access for jenkins user on gerrit (eedri, 14:29:57) * ACTION: quaid and RobertM to meet on IRC to narrow down & pick some hosting options (quaid, 14:30:42) * Infra task trackers (quaid, 14:32:28) * ACTION: decide on task trackers on the infra list (quaid, 14:38:41) * Website, CMS, broken search (quaid, 14:38:55) * LINK: https://github.com/github/gollum (garrett_, 14:47:29) * IDEA: Popular enough so the pool of Infra hackers is wide and deep (quaid, 14:48:56) * IDEA: Pool of extensions that we can draw from so we have to invent little to none (quaid, 14:49:50) * IDEA: Github's gollum is a git-backed wiki that is growing in popularity, may work (quaid, 14:52:12) Meeting ended at 15:09:14 UTC. Action Items ------------ * add jenkins job to run remote cmd on gerrit.ovirt.org that will restart gerrit service. requires sudo access for jenkins user on gerrit * quaid and RobertM to meet on IRC to narrow down & pick some hosting options * decide on task trackers on the infra list Action Items, by person ----------------------- * quaid * quaid and RobertM to meet on IRC to narrow down & pick some hosting options * RobertM * quaid and RobertM to meet on IRC to narrow down & pick some hosting options * **UNASSIGNED** * add jenkins job to run remote cmd on gerrit.ovirt.org that will restart gerrit service. requires sudo access for jenkins user on gerrit * decide on task trackers on the infra list People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * quaid (87) * garrett_ (60) * eedri (16) * RobertM (13) * itamar (12) * dneary (7) * ovirtbot (6) * mburns (5) * dyasny (3) * cctrieloff (3) * sgordon (1) * clag (1) * agwells0714 (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Analyst - Community Growth http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41

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